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PM 382, TM 252, Dis 30, Cha 20, Agi 26, Ref 38

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Test #1

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<<25 mana>>

You see a swamp troll. (1)
The swamp troll has faint scuffing to the left arm, faint scuffing to the left leg.
The swamp troll is in good shape.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

You see a swamp troll. (2)
The swamp troll has faint scuffing to the right leg, tiny scratches to the left hand.
The swamp troll is in good shape.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

You see a fendryad.
The fendryad has a severely swollen and deeply bruised right leg compounded by deep cuts across the right leg, minor swelling and bruising in the back compounded by cuts and bruises about the back.
The fendryad is bleeding with slight bruising in the right leg and slightly from the right leg.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

<<Another 25 mana>>

You see a swamp troll. (1)
The swamp troll has tiny scratches to the right arm, faint scuffing to the left arm, faint scuffing to the right leg, faint scuffing to the left leg.
The swamp troll is in good shape.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

You see a swamp troll. (2)
The swamp troll has faint scuffing to the right leg, tiny scratches to the left leg, faint scuffing to the right hand, tiny scratches to the left hand.
The swamp troll is in good shape.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

You see a fendryad.
The fendryad has a bruised head compounded by cuts and bruises about the head, minor swelling and bruising around the right arm compounded by cuts and bruises about the right arm, a severely swollen and deeply bruised right leg compounded by deep cuts across the right leg, minor swelling and bruising in the back compounded by cuts and bruises about the back.
The fendryad is bleeding with slight bruising in the right leg and slightly from the right leg.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

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Test #2

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<<35 mana>>

You see a fendryad. (1)
The fendryad has faint scuffing to the left arm, a severely swollen and deeply bruised right leg compounded by deep cuts across the right leg, tiny scratches to the left leg, tiny scratches to the left hand, deep slashes across the chest area, minor swelling and bruising in the abdomen compounded by cuts and bruises about the abdomen.
The fendryad is bleeding with slight bruising in the right leg, slightly from the right leg and from the chest.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

You see a fendryad. (2)
The fendryad has a severely swollen and deeply bruised back with odd protrusions under the skin compounded by gaping holes in the back.
The fendryad is bleeding with widespread discoloration in the back and badly from the back.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

You see a swamp troll.
The swamp troll has tiny scratches to the right leg.
The swamp troll is in good shape.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

<<Another 35 mana>>

You see a fendryad. (1)
The fendryad has faint scuffing to the left arm, a severely swollen and deeply bruised right leg compounded by deep cuts across the right leg, tiny scratches to the left leg, tiny scratches to the left hand, deep slashes across the chest area, severely swollen and bruised abdomen compounded by deep slashes across the abdomen, minor swelling and bruising in the back compounded by cuts and bruises about the back.
The fendryad is bleeding with widespread discoloration in the abdomen, from the abdomen, with slight bruising in the right leg, slightly from the right leg and from the chest.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

You see a fendryad. (2)
The fendryad has tiny scratches to the head, a severely swollen and deeply bruised right leg compounded by deep cuts across the right leg, a severely swollen and deeply bruised back with odd protrusions under the skin compounded by gaping holes in the back.
The fendryad is bleeding with widespread discoloration in the back, badly from the back, with slight bruising in the right leg and slightly from the right leg.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

You see a swamp troll.
The swamp troll has minor swelling and bruising around the right leg compounded by cuts and bruises about the right leg, faint scuffing to the abdomen.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

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Test #3

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<<35 mana>>

You see a swamp troll. (1)
The swamp troll has minor swelling and bruising around the right arm, tiny scratches to the right hand.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

<<Another 35 mana>>

You see a swamp troll. (1)
The swamp troll has minor swelling and bruising around the right arm, tiny scratches to the left arm, tiny scratches to the right leg, tiny scratches to the right hand.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

<<Another 35 mana>>

You see a swamp troll. (1)
The swamp troll has minor swelling and bruising around the right arm compounded by cuts and bruises about the right arm, a severely swollen and deeply bruised left arm compounded by deep cuts across the left arm, tiny scratches to the right leg, faint scuffing to the left leg, tiny scratches to the right hand.
The swamp troll is bleeding slightly from the left arm and with slight bruising in the left arm.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

You see a swamp troll. (2)
The swamp troll has minor swelling and bruising around the neck compounded by cuts and bruises about the neck, faint scuffing to the right arm.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

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Test #4

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<<35 mana>>

You see a swamp troll.
The swamp troll has faint scuffing to the right leg, tiny scratches to the left hand.
The swamp troll is in good shape.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

You see a fendryad.
The fendryad has tiny scratches to the head, tiny scratches to the left arm.
The fendryad is in good shape.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

<<Another 35 mana>>

You see a swamp troll.
The swamp troll has faint scuffing to the right leg, tiny scratches to the left leg, tiny scratches to the left hand, faint scuffing to the back.
The swamp troll is in good shape.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

You see a fendryad.
The fendryad has tiny scratches to the head, tiny scratches to the left arm, tiny scratches to the abdomen, faint scuffing to the back.
The fendryad is in good shape.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

<<Another 35 mana>>

You see a swamp troll.
The swamp troll has faint scuffing to the right arm, faint scuffing to the right leg, tiny scratches to the left leg, tiny scratches to the left hand, faint scuffing to the back.
The swamp troll is in good shape.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying an oval shield, a mace.

You see a fendryad.
The fendryad has tiny scratches to the head, tiny scratches to the left arm, faint scuffing to the left leg, tiny scratches to the abdomen, minor swelling and bruising in the back compounded by cuts and bruises about the back.
It is wearing a knotted vine tunic.
It is carrying a rusting sap-stained axe.

<<Another 35 mana>>

You gesture.
A grey-green starburst spreads across the entire area, its pointed spokes pausing to probe various points the ground.
As you attempt to bend the earth to your needs, some sort of lingering interference from previous casts causes something to go horribly wrong!
The ground beneath your feet explodes with thrusting spears of rock!
One of the rock spears lands a hard hit to your chest and leaves a massive bruise as it bounces away!

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Not sure exactly what to say, other than that for a fourth tier spell, I don't believe this one performs respectably at all...I realize it's primary function is defense, but expending over 99 mana on a single critter or pair of critters and not killing any of them is, well, ridiculuous...

Even the defensive function of it is rendered practically useless since critters just start advancing right away and are back at melee in the blink of an eye...Why put a negative recoil effect in at all? Must all of our higher-tier spells have some sort of glaring penalty despite their efficiency? I don't understand it...

Frankly I'm surprised at the utter lack of feedback on this spell...I've talked to about ten other 50'ish circle WM's and they've all said it's terribly underpowered and ineffective, yet no one seems to be voicing that opinion here...It seemed like a lot of us were looking forward to the rerelease of ROS and its gory, powerful performance...Are the mages in Langenfirth and myself the only ones dissatisfied with it? If not, I urge others to post some results in the hopes for an uptweak before the preview's over...

And if Rigby, Dami, Valdy, etc read this and choose to look into it, you have my thanks...

- Arcanist Telein

Ya, the spell's numbers pretty much need drastic tweaking

1) It's not very snappable.
2) 20 mana to even BEGIN doing damage is pointless when 20 mana in tremor, frost bite, TC, SD, etc will do just as good a job in a defensive role (note, i'm not saying they'd do a GREAT job because they dont, but they would do a better job and they come alot earlier and in practice need LESS mana)
3) Casting at 40 mana to actually do anything is not defensive. And by "anything" I mean cuts and bruises with an occasional bleeder.
4) It only pushes things 1 range away. melee to pole, pole to missle. And the critter AI makes them come right back at you.
5) Critter armor makes sure it does pretty much 0 damage.
6) To be most effective you need to have the targets stunned or prone to begin with. Again, not defensive if you have to do that 1st...in fact not even needed if things are already stun/prone.

How to fix it:
1) Either lower the repulse mana to 8 and the damage mana to 12 or add an option to turn the damage on or off. Like prep ROS 12 safe, prep ros 12 deadly.
2) Make it teach TM since it's spellvsAgility and takes your TM into account.
3) Make it effective without things having to be stunned or prone to begin with.
4) Don't make the spears LAUNCH, make them THRUST...make them very large spears...and make them stay stuck in the ground surrounding you for some time afterwards, preventing things from advancing on you unless they can weave through the tangle of sharp rock (possibly taking damage or falling over trying to clamber around it all)

ya but even then its not worth it I mean come on hunting things my level I have to cast at least 35 mana to do damage and by then I could have used GZ, FS, AEL, FRS, FOS, PW, ALA and done more damage and most likely killed them with less mana than I use in ROS though against people ROS seems to be fairly decent dealt some fairly heavy damaged to Darkhour using 25 mana

<<to boot I tried ROS on a friend ES seems fairly effect against it. He had no armor on and only 30's evasion and a 30 mana ROS did only this>>

This is probably because ES is fairly to immensely effective against every spell. I've had people one shot me regularly with burn and then totally miss me with the same mana just because I have ES on.

In its current state, I feel the same as most of the other posters. As a 59th WM, I just cannot find any practical use for it. Much, much easier to simply retreat if I want to get out of melee. And on the rare occasion that I'm too beat up, unbalanced and MO penalized to retreat successfully, casting something that takes a while to prep and hinders my evasion is almost never going to help me.

If it prevented creatures from advancing and/or did damage when they tried for a short time after successfully cast, it would be useful.

If it did significantly more damage, it would be useful.

If it had a lower cast time and mana cost, it MIGHT be useful.

But as of Saturday, it won't be a consideration for my spell slots.

People pushed back by this spell should receive a RoundTime of 10 seconds or so. That would greatly increase the power of this spell IMHO.

Lainn