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Could someone please give us some news on the status of Empath spells and Magic? Unfortunately, our liaison is on LOA, and we can't ask her... but I'm starting to wonder when/if we'll get our spells back. Right now, the majority of our spells are healing related...I'm gettin' bored!
Shaunn
When are they actually going to fix the newly fixed Nissa's Binding? My wife can still sleep me, while standing, yet I have 5 more stamina points and a boatload more skills and stats, plus circles. On top of that, I didn't have a scratch on me! I think proper skill checks need to be implimented, again.
Sabashtin..
Sabashtin..
<<When are they actually going to fix the newly fixed Nissa's Binding? My wife can still sleep me, while standing, yet I have 5 more stamina points and a boatload more skills and stats, plus circles. On top of that, I didn't have a scratch on me! I think proper skill checks need to be implimented, again. ~ Sabashtin..>>
::prep HL 5::
::cast Sabashtin::
::prep NB 25::
::wait a really long time::
::cast Sabashtin::
::drags him off to a quiet corner, giving him a little nudge to quiet the snoring::
Pay no attention to him...he and Galain (and no doubt a few others) are just suffering from "mighty mage" syndrome -- a particularily severe disease characterized by a swelled ego and the erroneous assumption that might makes right. Which, in this case equates to "I'm big and strong and no EMPATH should be able to put me down."
Har, fear the 'path.
~Maddie, glad the husband is in Shard so he can't "accidently" IP her fer dis post
::prep HL 5::
::cast Sabashtin::
::prep NB 25::
::wait a really long time::
::cast Sabashtin::
::drags him off to a quiet corner, giving him a little nudge to quiet the snoring::
Pay no attention to him...he and Galain (and no doubt a few others) are just suffering from "mighty mage" syndrome -- a particularily severe disease characterized by a swelled ego and the erroneous assumption that might makes right. Which, in this case equates to "I'm big and strong and no EMPATH should be able to put me down."
Har, fear the 'path.
~Maddie, glad the husband is in Shard so he can't "accidently" IP her fer dis post
Vitality Healing is either too weak or too difficult or both. As has been stated many times by many empaths it backfires way too easily when "beat up" or below which is the only time we actually need it.
It is a mana intensive spell even though the min is only 1. It needs to either be easier to pump more mana into, or require less mana per point of vitality improvement.
The magic preview highlighted an oddity. It is easier to cast HW and HS then it is to cast ewh and esh.
EWH, ESH, IWH, ISH, are prerequisites for HW and HS.
I have had first circle empaths backfiring on ewh, and successfully casting HW. That makes no sense. Difficulty needs to be reversed on these. Same goes for esh verses HS.
Dellica
It is a mana intensive spell even though the min is only 1. It needs to either be easier to pump more mana into, or require less mana per point of vitality improvement.
The magic preview highlighted an oddity. It is easier to cast HW and HS then it is to cast ewh and esh.
EWH, ESH, IWH, ISH, are prerequisites for HW and HS.
I have had first circle empaths backfiring on ewh, and successfully casting HW. That makes no sense. Difficulty needs to be reversed on these. Same goes for esh verses HS.
Dellica
>Vitality Healing is either too weak or too difficult or both.
I agree. By the time I get VH prepped, I no longer need to cast it. It backfires when we need it most, at beat up or worse.
>The magic preview highlighted an oddity. It is easier to cast HW and HS then it is to cast ewh and esh.
Dellicia, I think this may be a reward for choosing these spells later on. I'm not so sure the difficulty needs to be reversed as you suggest. In my opinion, they should be easier to cast, because (after preview) you will have worked hard to learn their individual components already. I think the preview simply shows how valuable those two spells are.
Faelyth
I agree. By the time I get VH prepped, I no longer need to cast it. It backfires when we need it most, at beat up or worse.
>The magic preview highlighted an oddity. It is easier to cast HW and HS then it is to cast ewh and esh.
Dellicia, I think this may be a reward for choosing these spells later on. I'm not so sure the difficulty needs to be reversed as you suggest. In my opinion, they should be easier to cast, because (after preview) you will have worked hard to learn their individual components already. I think the preview simply shows how valuable those two spells are.
Faelyth
VH has long been a problem spell. It almost seems to be designed to by ironic... when you need it most, its almost impossible to use. It also is increasingly difficult to get results out of the spell with increasing stamina. I can be beat up and cast at 30-40 mana and still not get full vitality.
As for HW and HS, I haven't tested the difficulty, but I love the spells. Use them almost exclusively and have for a long time.
Shaunn
As for HW and HS, I haven't tested the difficulty, but I love the spells. Use them almost exclusively and have for a long time.
Shaunn
>> Dellicia, I think this may be a reward for choosing these spells later on. I'm not so sure the difficulty needs to be reversed as you suggest. In my opinion, they should be easier to cast, because (after preview) you will have worked hard to learn their individual components already. I think the preview simply shows how valuable those two spells are.
I don't think HW or HS would then become too difficult to cast. But, when you have a first circle empath backfiring ewh (min prep 1) and successfully casting HW (min prep 15?) it just doesn't make sense.
I have helped out several first circle empaths and ewh is very difficult for them to cast successfully even at low mana with full prep. That they can then cast HW at five to ten times the mana is just backwards.
Easier to cast means you learn less from a spell. What is the point of increasing magical skill if you get easier spells as you advance?
Dellica
Dellica
I don't think HW or HS would then become too difficult to cast. But, when you have a first circle empath backfiring ewh (min prep 1) and successfully casting HW (min prep 15?) it just doesn't make sense.
I have helped out several first circle empaths and ewh is very difficult for them to cast successfully even at low mana with full prep. That they can then cast HW at five to ten times the mana is just backwards.
Easier to cast means you learn less from a spell. What is the point of increasing magical skill if you get easier spells as you advance?
Dellica
Dellica
>But, when you have a first circle empath backfiring ewh (min prep 1) and successfully casting HW (min prep 15?) it just doesn't make sense.
fyi, hw is min prep 13. :)
I agree that it doesn't make sense during the preview. However, I see the hw/hs spells as "more stable" than the basic ones. I probably misspoke calling them "easier." Once preview is over, the point will be moot on the ease of casting the hw/hs spells because 1st circle empaths won't have access to them.
IMO, 1st circle emapths should be backfiring their spells or finding them not effective from time to time. They have very little skill. So long as they are learning from their attempts, I don't see a problem with it. If they've taken too many wounds and put themselves in a position where they must get a spell off, they have likely taken on far more than they should have at such a low circle/experience level.
But, VH is definitely a waste of a spell slot for me. That one I think needs to find some balance. I'd love to see it give you more vitality per mana point even if they leave the backfire rate alone. It might be useful then, if I could count on it to bring me out of a dangerously low vit. situation. But, I'd also like to see the backfire rate reduced on it as well.
Faelyth
fyi, hw is min prep 13. :)
I agree that it doesn't make sense during the preview. However, I see the hw/hs spells as "more stable" than the basic ones. I probably misspoke calling them "easier." Once preview is over, the point will be moot on the ease of casting the hw/hs spells because 1st circle empaths won't have access to them.
IMO, 1st circle emapths should be backfiring their spells or finding them not effective from time to time. They have very little skill. So long as they are learning from their attempts, I don't see a problem with it. If they've taken too many wounds and put themselves in a position where they must get a spell off, they have likely taken on far more than they should have at such a low circle/experience level.
But, VH is definitely a waste of a spell slot for me. That one I think needs to find some balance. I'd love to see it give you more vitality per mana point even if they leave the backfire rate alone. It might be useful then, if I could count on it to bring me out of a dangerously low vit. situation. But, I'd also like to see the backfire rate reduced on it as well.
Faelyth
>> I probably misspoke calling them "easier." Once preview is over, the point will be moot on the ease of casting the hw/hs spells because 1st circle empaths won't have access to them.
You didn't mis-speak because they are easier, that's the point, they shouldn't be easier. It won't be a moot point after the preview because the amount you learn from casting a spell is partially based on spell difficulty.
I agree that young empaths should backfire occasionally, but the rate at which they backfire I believe is too high with ewh.
If HW and HS are supposed to be easier spells due to their "stability" then they should be the first spells taught. We could then think of ewh and iwh as more difficult because they are more refined, targeted more specifically. Ewh and iwh are pre-requisites to hw and hs based on the logic that without knowing the simpler spells one would be unable to grasp the more difficult ones, except they aren't more difficult.
I'd really appreciate some GM input on this issue and the Vitality Healing issues. Are they recognized issues that are being looked into, or considered fine as they are, or will be looked into when time permits?
Dellica
You didn't mis-speak because they are easier, that's the point, they shouldn't be easier. It won't be a moot point after the preview because the amount you learn from casting a spell is partially based on spell difficulty.
I agree that young empaths should backfire occasionally, but the rate at which they backfire I believe is too high with ewh.
If HW and HS are supposed to be easier spells due to their "stability" then they should be the first spells taught. We could then think of ewh and iwh as more difficult because they are more refined, targeted more specifically. Ewh and iwh are pre-requisites to hw and hs based on the logic that without knowing the simpler spells one would be unable to grasp the more difficult ones, except they aren't more difficult.
I'd really appreciate some GM input on this issue and the Vitality Healing issues. Are they recognized issues that are being looked into, or considered fine as they are, or will be looked into when time permits?
Dellica
>It won't be a moot point after the preview because the amount you learn from casting a spell is partially based on spell difficulty.
Have you tested the learning rate on hw/hs vs. ewh/esh to confirm that they are easier, in an experience award sense? I use hw/hs almost exclusively, so I don't have any information in that regard. I know I'm almost always ML'd in magic using hw & hs, so I'm not sure the learning rate is an issue. Unfortunately, I don't have enough play time at present to look into it.
>If HW and HS are supposed to be easier spells due to their "stability" then they should be the first spells taught. We could then think of ewh and iwh as more difficult because they are more refined, targeted more specifically.
Hehe, point taken. I was trying to present an alternative as to why the spells might be easier to cast, if they do indeed teach better (hopefully/wishfull thinking?).
If the learning rates on hw/hs are commensurate with their status of having pre-reqs to learn, then the whole could be greater than the sum of its parts, so to speak. I.e., once you'd done your time slugging through the parts so that you understand the theory of it, putting the pieces together to form the whole, is easier. I think that could be the theory behind this.
I too would appreciate GM input on this and the VH issue.
Faelyth
Have you tested the learning rate on hw/hs vs. ewh/esh to confirm that they are easier, in an experience award sense? I use hw/hs almost exclusively, so I don't have any information in that regard. I know I'm almost always ML'd in magic using hw & hs, so I'm not sure the learning rate is an issue. Unfortunately, I don't have enough play time at present to look into it.
>If HW and HS are supposed to be easier spells due to their "stability" then they should be the first spells taught. We could then think of ewh and iwh as more difficult because they are more refined, targeted more specifically.
Hehe, point taken. I was trying to present an alternative as to why the spells might be easier to cast, if they do indeed teach better (hopefully/wishfull thinking?).
If the learning rates on hw/hs are commensurate with their status of having pre-reqs to learn, then the whole could be greater than the sum of its parts, so to speak. I.e., once you'd done your time slugging through the parts so that you understand the theory of it, putting the pieces together to form the whole, is easier. I think that could be the theory behind this.
I too would appreciate GM input on this and the VH issue.
Faelyth
