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So when/why were bundles changed to require being tied before being appraised?
>>You ask the tanner Falken to appraise a lumpy bundle.
>>You'll want to TIE the bundle off before getting it appraised.
This stops people from haggling with the tanners for a good price...
Any chance of this change/bug being rolled back?
>This stops people from haggling with the tanners for a good price...
Anybody can sell a tied bundle, so why does this matter? Take out a few skins/bones/parts before you start, and add them to the tied bundle afterwards.
It might actually be to discourage this exact behavior, as I think I vaguely remember a GM being annoyed with this.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
Anybody can sell a tied bundle, so why does this matter? Take out a few skins/bones/parts before you start, and add them to the tied bundle afterwards.
It might actually be to discourage this exact behavior, as I think I vaguely remember a GM being annoyed with this.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
>Uhhhh...
Before you tie it, take several out. Then tie it. Then have him appraise it. Add the ones you took out back in. I figured it was implied you would take them out before tying...
Frankly, I bet it's intended because it really makes no sense that taking an item out and then putting of right back in would change the price you get.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
Before you tie it, take several out. Then tie it. Then have him appraise it. Add the ones you took out back in. I figured it was implied you would take them out before tying...
Frankly, I bet it's intended because it really makes no sense that taking an item out and then putting of right back in would change the price you get.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
>>Before you tie it, take several out. Then tie it. Then have him appraise it. Add >>the ones you took out back in. I figured it was implied you would take them out >>before tying...
>>Frankly, I bet it's intended because it really makes no sense that taking an item >>out and then putting of right back in would change the price you get.
What you suggest makes about as much sense as selling the skins one at a time... in fact it makes less sense because at least you can get the best price for the skin doing them one at a time. Your way leaves everything up to the RNG because once a skin is part of the bundle its gone and you can't get the potentially better price that the bundle had before adding it. If things are going to be left this way then they need to remove the price variability and just have them bought for whatever the appraisal price is.
If GMs didn't like people trying to get the best price per bundle before, they are gonna love people doing it per skin now...
Stupid move that only hurts people who like to be self-sufficient... congrats to the mind behind the move.
>>Frankly, I bet it's intended because it really makes no sense that taking an item >>out and then putting of right back in would change the price you get.
What you suggest makes about as much sense as selling the skins one at a time... in fact it makes less sense because at least you can get the best price for the skin doing them one at a time. Your way leaves everything up to the RNG because once a skin is part of the bundle its gone and you can't get the potentially better price that the bundle had before adding it. If things are going to be left this way then they need to remove the price variability and just have them bought for whatever the appraisal price is.
If GMs didn't like people trying to get the best price per bundle before, they are gonna love people doing it per skin now...
Stupid move that only hurts people who like to be self-sufficient... congrats to the mind behind the move.
>What you suggest
I'm not suggesting you do that. I'm saying that's a way to partially do what you were doing before. If you get full price for individual skins, why didn't you sell them individually before? You could probably make more if you just sold your bundle and went back to hunting instead of haggling.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
I'm not suggesting you do that. I'm saying that's a way to partially do what you were doing before. If you get full price for individual skins, why didn't you sell them individually before? You could probably make more if you just sold your bundle and went back to hunting instead of haggling.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
It would take me anywhere from first try to 2minutes to get the 110% of the appraisal price. Now it'll take me prohibitively longer with an enormous amount of scroll to achieve the same result. Just selling the skin/bundle nets you anywhere from 90%-110% of the appraisal price; so the choices are either spend the amount of time haggling for one skin that I used to spend haggling for however many skins I had in my bundle or accept a loss of 10% over time.
And if you don't think 10% is that important, especially with the recent decrease in wealth generation, then I'll happily take 10% of your wealth generation.
And if you don't think 10% is that important, especially with the recent decrease in wealth generation, then I'll happily take 10% of your wealth generation.
>to get the 110% of the appraisal price.
Ye gods, no. A few copper!
The 'loss' (and it's not a loss, it's a failure to bonus, which isn't the same) here is miniscule compared to the amount most people are dealing with making per hour hunting. The costs difference is probably a single skin per bundle, if not a partial single skin per bundle, even at the higher end.
Pants.
Ye gods, no. A few copper!
The 'loss' (and it's not a loss, it's a failure to bonus, which isn't the same) here is miniscule compared to the amount most people are dealing with making per hour hunting. The costs difference is probably a single skin per bundle, if not a partial single skin per bundle, even at the higher end.
Pants.
I like selling 30 plat full bundles and not losing 3 plat each time. Its nice to get that extra 3 plat, so his claim makes sense. And since it ranges between 90-110, you'd actually be losing 6 plat per bundle, if you could have gotten 33 instead of 27.
I could care less about the bundles, but 20% is a difference that many will haggle over. I could only wish for an average 20% return on my IRA's, for instance.
>>Assuming you're selling full bundles and all the skins are the same quality 10% would be about TWO skins per bundle. OH NO MY PLATINUMS
Correction, 10% of 200 is 20, and a 20% difference would be 40.
I could care less about the bundles, but 20% is a difference that many will haggle over. I could only wish for an average 20% return on my IRA's, for instance.
>>Assuming you're selling full bundles and all the skins are the same quality 10% would be about TWO skins per bundle. OH NO MY PLATINUMS
Correction, 10% of 200 is 20, and a 20% difference would be 40.
>Assuming you're selling full bundles and all the skins are the same quality 10% would be about TWO skins per bundle
Just to be clear, 10% of 200 is twenty, not two. I still think this is a useless waste of time that would be better spent gaining skills and new skins to sell.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
Just to be clear, 10% of 200 is twenty, not two. I still think this is a useless waste of time that would be better spent gaining skills and new skins to sell.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
Awesome, KROONERMANREVENGE and CARDINALE01 when can I expect 10% of yall's wealth generation? Yall are arguing that it's insubstantial so you don't mind forking it over right... if your not up to putting your money where your mouth is then maybe it's substantial after all.
And it is a loss; If I was getting X amount for a bundle of skins before and now I will only get X-10% for the same bundle over time then it is a loss. I can write the explanation in red crayon if you'd like to keep arguing that self-evident point though.
And it is a loss; If I was getting X amount for a bundle of skins before and now I will only get X-10% for the same bundle over time then it is a loss. I can write the explanation in red crayon if you'd like to keep arguing that self-evident point though.
It was probably done to encourage players to tie their bundles, and therefore reduce item counts. And frankly, what you were doing before was not haggling. It was futzing with game mechanics for an advantage. If you want to be able to haggle selling your skins/gems, ask for OFFER to work when selling things as well.
>Yall are arguing that it's insubstantial
If it's not out-right the goal, it's an added bonus for the GMs that you're making less. They're kind of looking for ways to reduce money generation.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
>Yall are arguing that it's insubstantial
If it's not out-right the goal, it's an added bonus for the GMs that you're making less. They're kind of looking for ways to reduce money generation.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
You believe that 10% of your income is minor and nothing to worry about... why should you care if you give it to me or drop it in the nearest bucket. You lose it either way correct? You can't have it both ways, either it means something to you and you agree with me or you don't care about it in which case name the bank and i'll be waiting... even if it is to watch you dump it into the nearest bucket.
Not everyone makes tons of plats or has bought all the upper tier items they want/could use or has a super high level character. Just because something isn't important to you doesn't mean it isn't important to others or just plain important period.
And it's not like we're asking for something to be coded up from scratch or balanced better, only that a change that negatively affects the player base be rolled back.
Ctrl Z, next issue. That simple...
Not everyone makes tons of plats or has bought all the upper tier items they want/could use or has a super high level character. Just because something isn't important to you doesn't mean it isn't important to others or just plain important period.
And it's not like we're asking for something to be coded up from scratch or balanced better, only that a change that negatively affects the player base be rolled back.
Ctrl Z, next issue. That simple...
>>You believe that 10% of your income is minor and nothing to worry about... why should you care if you give it to me or drop it in the nearest bucket. You lose it either way correct? You can't have it both ways, either it means something to you and you agree with me or you don't care about it in which case name the bank and i'll be waiting... even if it is to watch you dump it into the nearest bucket.
>>Not everyone makes tons of plats or has bought all the upper tier items they want/could use or has a super high level character. Just because something isn't important to you doesn't mean it isn't important to others or just plain important period.
But the 10% is already gone, so if I start throwing 10% on top of it into the bucket I'm losing 20%. And you're making a lot of assumptions. My highest character is circle 43 and I have like 83 plat spread across all the banks.
>>Not everyone makes tons of plats or has bought all the upper tier items they want/could use or has a super high level character. Just because something isn't important to you doesn't mean it isn't important to others or just plain important period.
But the 10% is already gone, so if I start throwing 10% on top of it into the bucket I'm losing 20%. And you're making a lot of assumptions. My highest character is circle 43 and I have like 83 plat spread across all the banks.
Not assumptions, justifications for why I don't want to lose any more of the meager amount of plats that I make. It's good to know that 20% of your amount becomes important to you though, because at any one bundle sale you could lose that amount in potential profit.
For the record my one and only character is 70ish with about 250 plat. Like I said before though, anyone who thinks 10% of their income is negligible can name the bank and i'll be there to collect; I could use some non-store bought crafting tools.
For the record my one and only character is 70ish with about 250 plat. Like I said before though, anyone who thinks 10% of their income is negligible can name the bank and i'll be there to collect; I could use some non-store bought crafting tools.
Remove bundle. Sell bundle. Go kill more and make more money and not care.
See, plat Generation is a stupid thing to care about. You're obsessed with it. Fine, glad it makes you happy. I'm not. That's the difference.
My time is worth more than the minuscule gain I might make via haggling so I don't. Because I don't care.
Pants.
See, plat Generation is a stupid thing to care about. You're obsessed with it. Fine, glad it makes you happy. I'm not. That's the difference.
My time is worth more than the minuscule gain I might make via haggling so I don't. Because I don't care.
Pants.
I find it strange that someone putting so much emphasis on eking out an extra 10% value on their bundles wouldn't just find a Trader to sell the bundles and make up to 50% more
Apu
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>Any chance we could get a change to just allow us to wear a bundling rope. Its kind of stupid that I know keep an extra claw in my backpack just to start a new bundle without having to kill something first.
This would be incredible. Great idea!
-Broichan Leshyahen
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This would be incredible. Great idea!
-Broichan Leshyahen
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You hum a tuneless tune.
KROONERMANREVENGE you talk, but I don't see you putting your money where your mouth is... guess that means your one of those people who talk big because their full of it. See you are making an assumption here, and not a correct one. I am not obsessed with plat generation, I am trying to get a change rolled back. If this change was to say add 10% to the time it takes to craft products would that make me obsessed with product generation? It's a change that negatively affects me and so I'm speaking out. If no one spoke out then there would be no chance of it being reassessed.
Why don't you stop being a company man.*
Apu your absolutely right, if I wanted maximum profit before anything else then I would always spend the time it takes going through a trader when selling pouches and bundles. Of course that brings up a couple of issues though. Not being able to find a trader where you are or when you need them. Said trader being sufficiently skilled to get you that 50% as opposed to the guaranteed 10% by doing it yourself. It not being self-sufficient any more. Dogs and cats working together. And feeling bad for bothering other people with something when they probably have better things to do.
*Think I screwed that joke up but the original board posts were pretty funny either way
Why don't you stop being a company man.*
Apu your absolutely right, if I wanted maximum profit before anything else then I would always spend the time it takes going through a trader when selling pouches and bundles. Of course that brings up a couple of issues though. Not being able to find a trader where you are or when you need them. Said trader being sufficiently skilled to get you that 50% as opposed to the guaranteed 10% by doing it yourself. It not being self-sufficient any more. Dogs and cats working together. And feeling bad for bothering other people with something when they probably have better things to do.
*Think I screwed that joke up but the original board posts were pretty funny either way
Let's try to stay on the topic at hand instead of flinging insults at one another please. Otherwise I shall be forced to shut down this thread. Conflict folders are further down in The Social Side of Dragonrealms.
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>KROONERMANREVENGE you talk, but I don't see you putting your money where your mouth is
What part of 'I sell my bundles and move on' do you not understand? That's a pretty definitive example of 'I don't care', because I don't waste my time to haggle. I take a hit, or a bonus, or neither, and just go on with my day. So no, I will not be giving you whatever arbitrary thing you deemed would signify I was 'hardcore' enough or whatever. Eating the HUGE DRAMATIC AMAZING SIGNIFICANT loss you keep screaming about, without caring, is a great example of putting my money where my mouth is.
Pants.
What part of 'I sell my bundles and move on' do you not understand? That's a pretty definitive example of 'I don't care', because I don't waste my time to haggle. I take a hit, or a bonus, or neither, and just go on with my day. So no, I will not be giving you whatever arbitrary thing you deemed would signify I was 'hardcore' enough or whatever. Eating the HUGE DRAMATIC AMAZING SIGNIFICANT loss you keep screaming about, without caring, is a great example of putting my money where my mouth is.
Pants.
