Skinning EXP and Options on 02/10/2014 03:27 PM CST
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Please up Exp across the board, and please add a way to learn skinning ala necro moves on critters without "true" skinning rewards (cabalists, intercessors, ice archon, etc). It would open up the hunting options at the top end, with no downside at all. Maybe something like analyze critter anatomy, with the RT of skin, with no arrange potential to adjust exp. At least it would be a way to learn.

Also, please check skinning difficulty (or bug) of at least adult wyverns. At 1138 skinning, I fail miserably every time I try and skin them. That's an exceptionally difficult skin, without arrange, for their combat range. I get no RT on my abysmal failures, so perhaps it's a bug.
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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 02/11/2014 05:13 PM CST
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Annalyzing their anatomy sounds more like a cherurgery (SP?) [First-Aid] deal then a skinning test of skill.

Not that I don't think there needs to be more options to train skinning (I'm also thinking its cool to suggest same RT and no monetary bonus for such work).

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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/21/2014 10:52 PM CDT
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Bumping this. I can't learn skinning beyond perusing/learning at 1150 as a MM. I'm currently hunting drakes, which teach me plenty of skills efficiently hundreds of ranks over my skinning. Without arranging, killing at a normal pace, I rarely get to learning. If I arrange even once, I fail the skin attempt (most the time) and don't learn any better.

Anyone have any advice? As far as I can tell, the skinning curve here (and wyverns, and moths) is built specifically for rangers or something. If I'm right at the challenge level between no-arrange and arrange, and I'm way under the cap for the creature in combat and stealth learning, shouldn't I be learning skinning half-decently?
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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/23/2014 11:23 AM CDT
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Ever since the last big experience changes to skinning, back around Feb of 2013 I think, I have found that I don't learn skinning well unless I am able to arrange the critter at least once. There's a critter I currently hunt where I'm in the same situation as you, Traim - I can skin great and get the part(s), but when I arrange once I'll botch the skinning attempt. Being a MM also, what I do is try to predict a good future bonus on my skinning skill. I've found that when I'm successful, it bumps my skill up high enough to be able to arrange once, skin, and learn well.

I know it's not a reliable option all of the time, sometimes I get curses instead, but I hope it helps.
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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/23/2014 01:33 PM CDT
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>Anyone have any advice?

Get a ranger to cast a capped HoL on you before hunting or invoke HoL to cast yourself. It's shockingly easy to cast for moon mages. Do you use a handheld 'skinning' knife vs any type of worn knife for skinning? The handheld skinning knife alone might make enough of a difference.



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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/23/2014 07:53 PM CDT
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at the high end, drakes, I have a hard time learning skinning as a non ranger. Its not that I cant bump the skill into optimal learning range, its more that it takes about 8 times as long as lets say evasion per time invested. I feel like this isn't as it should be.




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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/24/2014 12:41 AM CDT
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So, per Skaen's advice, I tried the skinning knife IN HAND and it makes a huge difference compared to the worn skinning knife worn.

You tap a crystal-handled skinning knife that you are wearing.

With a skinning knife in hand, I can get an arrange or two in, which as also noted in posts, bumps learning well enough to move it past dabbling/learning as I kill at a regular pace. This suggests to me that worn skinning knives have a (what I hope is an unintentional) penalty to skinning that is so large that it eventually (+1000) makes skinning learning terrible without boosts. It's not particularly difficult for me to sheathe a weapon and skin with a skinning knife and return, but it's as pointless as the manual bundling was before we got a QOL fix on that. I hope that the apparent penalty of worn skinning knives is a bug.

In the meantime, I'll do the extra swapping so I can learn skinning with a couple arranges, knife in hand. Thanks for the help all.
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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/24/2014 03:12 AM CDT
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>>I hope that the apparent penalty of worn skinning knives is a bug.

Not my system, but I can say that things are functioning as they were designed to do.

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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/25/2014 12:27 AM CDT
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Last time it was talked about, it was skinning knife > worn skinning knife > worn knife > LE > anything else (except for rangers who are equal to LE).

The idea was that the non-wearable knives were the top... otherwise, why would anyone ever bother with them?



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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/25/2014 07:10 AM CDT
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I thought worn 'skinning' knives got the same boost as a non-worn skinning knife, it just had to have the skinning adjective, which is why the only place to get a worn skinning knife right now is a raffle/quest?



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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/25/2014 08:18 AM CDT
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I'm about 90% certain that worn skinning knives are slightly worse. However, I can't find a post that supports that, so I could be wrong.



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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/25/2014 03:47 PM CDT
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I was under the same assumption as krooner, which is why I always loaded up on the fest belt work "skinning" knives. I'm not 100% certain either however.




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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/25/2014 03:51 PM CDT
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Skinning: 1083 97.54% examining (13/34)
Evasion: 1189 02.19% mind lock (34/34)

That is after about an hour in drakes for the record. I've tried arranging and not arranging. I've since gone back to NOT arranging, because to be honest the difference was either nominal or worse in my opinion.


Skinning: 502 00.67% focused (20/34)
Evasion: 568 57.55% scrutinizing (17/34)

Same script after about 40 minutes on a character in celps.

I dont know what the difference is, but there is something about end game skinning.

Both characters are barbarians, both using the same script/buffs, both killing at "relatively" the same rate.

Bottom line I do think the skinning experience from drakes should be tweaked up a bit, I actually think it needs an up-tweak since the changes to the game in 3.0.




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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 04/30/2014 08:51 PM CDT
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>I'm about 90% certain that worn skinning knives are slightly worse. However, I can't find a post that supports that, so I could be wrong.

I'm with Raist but more like 99% sure, and I can't find a post that supports it because I refuse to search. Heh.

At around 400 skinning I started the hunt to get perfect basilisk fangs, and now at the 450 or 460ish mark I can get them consistently with skinning knife in hand. During that 60 ranks I tried all manner of skinning/agility/reflex/equipment buffs and found that a capped cast of HoL (someone else casting on me) (and SW and SUF for giggles)+wrist/belt worn knife came to about 5/10 'arrange alls' coming out at 100 parts at 440/50ish skill, but with hand held skinning knife it was more like 9/10.

Fairly certain it's the knife itself. That is to say, removing a belt/wrist worn skinning knife doesn't really help much.

I'd guess at a 5% buff, but I'm probably wrong.
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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 05/01/2014 11:11 AM CDT
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IIRC it was at the release of the worn skinning knives.

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Re: Skinning EXP and Options on 05/07/2014 11:09 AM CDT
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Not sure if something changed with 3.1, but I saw skinning lock for the first time in a long time today.

Thanks!
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