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>The bottomline question is if DR opened up a new instance and 100 players created characters today, is the population spread roughly the way you envisioned.
I disagree. People's preferences may or may not have anything to do with how well developed or balanced a guild is.
Case in Point: I've tried every guild there is, in all stages of development over the years. I just don't like the Thieves guild, and it has nothing to do with anything the GMs have any control over. I just don't like that kind of character.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
>> Comparing a cop with a paramedic or firefighter or a bodyguard is what you're doing with GvG comparisons. Not gonna help. The bottomline question is if DR opened up a new instance and 100 players created characters today, is the population spread roughly the way you envisioned.
Uh. I know our comparison is getting crazy. But the original point was comparing TM to Ranged. There was no mention of GvG that I can remember. Let's keep this on topic!
We forgot a very important comparison, thanks to Reeves for bringing it up.
Which tastes better when splattered?!
Words are things, and a small drop of ink, falling like dew upon a thought, produces that which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think.
- Lord Byron
Uh. I know our comparison is getting crazy. But the original point was comparing TM to Ranged. There was no mention of GvG that I can remember. Let's keep this on topic!
We forgot a very important comparison, thanks to Reeves for bringing it up.
Which tastes better when splattered?!
Words are things, and a small drop of ink, falling like dew upon a thought, produces that which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think.
- Lord Byron
>>Pulls out his Jack LaLane's Tiger Juicer.
I knew that my late-night-impulse-buying would come in handy someday.
This thread has just been juiced... please move along.
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I knew that my late-night-impulse-buying would come in handy someday.
This thread has just been juiced... please move along.
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>I like apples.
Okay that decides it, Oranges > Apples.
>Case in Point: I've tried every guild there is, in all stages of development over the years. I just don't like the Thieves guild, and it has nothing to do with anything the GMs have any control over. I just don't like that kind of character.
Ehhh... you're missing the point. We're talking about statistical spread of the preferences of an entire population of DR players, not the preferences of an individual.
"When I grow up, I want to be a soulless monster trapped in a suit of enchanted armor and compelled into violent service for a commercial institution through torturous psychic conditioning." -- Armifer
Okay that decides it, Oranges > Apples.
>Case in Point: I've tried every guild there is, in all stages of development over the years. I just don't like the Thieves guild, and it has nothing to do with anything the GMs have any control over. I just don't like that kind of character.
Ehhh... you're missing the point. We're talking about statistical spread of the preferences of an entire population of DR players, not the preferences of an individual.
"When I grow up, I want to be a soulless monster trapped in a suit of enchanted armor and compelled into violent service for a commercial institution through torturous psychic conditioning." -- Armifer
>statistical spread of the preferences of an entire population of DR players, not the preferences of an individual.
Indeed, but I'm pointing out that you're basing your test on a false asumption, namely that players pick guilds based on their power/level of development.
Many people pick them based on the guild theme, which thus renders comparison in that way difficult, if not impossible.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Indeed, but I'm pointing out that you're basing your test on a false asumption, namely that players pick guilds based on their power/level of development.
Many people pick them based on the guild theme, which thus renders comparison in that way difficult, if not impossible.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
>namely that players pick guilds based on their power/level of development.
You are wrong to assume that was my assumption.
>Many people pick them based on the guild theme, which thus renders comparison in that way difficult, if not impossible.
Yes, you should include that and there is nothing wrong with that. As long as the overall combination of the guild's appeal results in an acceptable levels of guild popularity, you have met the bottom line requirements of that guild's development.
"When I grow up, I want to be a soulless monster trapped in a suit of enchanted armor and compelled into violent service for a commercial institution through torturous psychic conditioning." -- Armifer
You are wrong to assume that was my assumption.
>Many people pick them based on the guild theme, which thus renders comparison in that way difficult, if not impossible.
Yes, you should include that and there is nothing wrong with that. As long as the overall combination of the guild's appeal results in an acceptable levels of guild popularity, you have met the bottom line requirements of that guild's development.
"When I grow up, I want to be a soulless monster trapped in a suit of enchanted armor and compelled into violent service for a commercial institution through torturous psychic conditioning." -- Armifer
>You are wrong to assume that was my assumption.
Okay, I'm sorry. Correct me please?
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Okay, I'm sorry. Correct me please?
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
>As long as the overall combination of the guild's appeal results in an acceptable levels of guild popularity, you have met the bottom line requirements of that guild's development.
I disagree. While you can put in place systems that appeal more to the type of person who already is interested in the guild, you can't really control who likes the guild itself.
For example, while I hate to be sexist, in my experience, the ratio of men to women in the Barbarian guild is far different than that of the Empath guild. While this may just be a skewed CHARACTER sex issue, from talking to some of the players, it doesn't seem to be.
I'm still confused on what you believe players choose their guilds.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
I disagree. While you can put in place systems that appeal more to the type of person who already is interested in the guild, you can't really control who likes the guild itself.
For example, while I hate to be sexist, in my experience, the ratio of men to women in the Barbarian guild is far different than that of the Empath guild. While this may just be a skewed CHARACTER sex issue, from talking to some of the players, it doesn't seem to be.
I'm still confused on what you believe players choose their guilds.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
>As long as the overall combination of the guild's appeal results in an acceptable levels of guild popularity, you have met the bottom line requirements of that guild's development.
>> I disagree. While you can put in place systems that appeal more to the type of person who already is interested in the guild, you can't really control who likes the guild itself.
>> For example, while I hate to be sexist, in my experience, the ratio of men to women in the Barbarian guild is far different than that of the Empath guild. While this may just be a skewed CHARACTER sex issue, from talking to some of the players, it doesn't seem to be.
>> I'm still confused on what you believe players choose their guilds.
Players choose guilds because they can use targeted magic more affectively.
Also, players choose women because they are better at casting TM spells.
Just to bring this back on topic. :)
Words are things, and a small drop of ink, falling like dew upon a thought, produces that which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think.
- Lord Byron
>> I disagree. While you can put in place systems that appeal more to the type of person who already is interested in the guild, you can't really control who likes the guild itself.
>> For example, while I hate to be sexist, in my experience, the ratio of men to women in the Barbarian guild is far different than that of the Empath guild. While this may just be a skewed CHARACTER sex issue, from talking to some of the players, it doesn't seem to be.
>> I'm still confused on what you believe players choose their guilds.
Players choose guilds because they can use targeted magic more affectively.
Also, players choose women because they are better at casting TM spells.
Just to bring this back on topic. :)
Words are things, and a small drop of ink, falling like dew upon a thought, produces that which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think.
- Lord Byron
>I'm still confused on what you believe players choose their guilds.
Its the overall combination. It DOESN"T MATTER what the variables are. IT DOESN"T MATTER if its 7 girls 3 guys playing empaths and 6 Geeks 14 Jocks playing Barbarians. IT DOESN"T MATTER if 3 Demcorats 21 Republicans 3 Green party members are playing warmages.
>For example, while I hate to be sexist, in my experience, the ratio of men to women in the Barbarian guild is far different than that of the Empath guild. While this may just be a skewed CHARACTER sex issue, from talking to some of the players, it doesn't seem to be.
No one said the goal is to have "equal" interest, I've said "acceptable popularity range", and in that, no one said anything about equal distribution among all possible combination to the persona of the person behind the character. As long as 10% players for EMpath guild is acceptable and 13% players for Warmages is acceptable, all is fine and dandy. If you have only 10 guilds and one of them has only 3% players, THEN there might be a problem.
"When I grow up, I want to be a soulless monster trapped in a suit of enchanted armor and compelled into violent service for a commercial institution through torturous psychic conditioning." -- Armifer
Its the overall combination. It DOESN"T MATTER what the variables are. IT DOESN"T MATTER if its 7 girls 3 guys playing empaths and 6 Geeks 14 Jocks playing Barbarians. IT DOESN"T MATTER if 3 Demcorats 21 Republicans 3 Green party members are playing warmages.
>For example, while I hate to be sexist, in my experience, the ratio of men to women in the Barbarian guild is far different than that of the Empath guild. While this may just be a skewed CHARACTER sex issue, from talking to some of the players, it doesn't seem to be.
No one said the goal is to have "equal" interest, I've said "acceptable popularity range", and in that, no one said anything about equal distribution among all possible combination to the persona of the person behind the character. As long as 10% players for EMpath guild is acceptable and 13% players for Warmages is acceptable, all is fine and dandy. If you have only 10 guilds and one of them has only 3% players, THEN there might be a problem.
"When I grow up, I want to be a soulless monster trapped in a suit of enchanted armor and compelled into violent service for a commercial institution through torturous psychic conditioning." -- Armifer
Sorry for the DP.
In the case of 3% population for a guild, it doesn't amtter if 100% of them are girls or 90% of them are guys, there would've been the problem anyway, and hte problem is 3%. The fact you even concieved gender being an issue here implies you're focusing on the wrong/irrelevant points.
"When I grow up, I want to be a soulless monster trapped in a suit of enchanted armor and compelled into violent service for a commercial institution through torturous psychic conditioning." -- Armifer
In the case of 3% population for a guild, it doesn't amtter if 100% of them are girls or 90% of them are guys, there would've been the problem anyway, and hte problem is 3%. The fact you even concieved gender being an issue here implies you're focusing on the wrong/irrelevant points.
"When I grow up, I want to be a soulless monster trapped in a suit of enchanted armor and compelled into violent service for a commercial institution through torturous psychic conditioning." -- Armifer
In Soviet Russia, magic targets YOU!
I couldn't resist.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
I couldn't resist.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
