Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 12:21 AM CST
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I can't take too much credit for fixing a bug I introduced myself. Slippery slope :-D.

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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 12:52 AM CST
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Nice. Any chance you can roll the fix in in plat, Socharis? It's not hitting bows as well, is it?
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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 01:31 AM CST
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Yeah I've got a bunch of scripts to roll to plat. I'll get it all pushed over to Plat and TF tomorrow.

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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 07:00 AM CST
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Thanks a lot, this is much more reasonable.
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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 07:51 AM CST
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Thank you, Socharis.
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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 12:31 PM CST
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This is definitely an improvement from before, but it still feels a bit low to me. My crossbow skill is just over 140, which is probably about 100 ranks too low for baby gryphons. My missile mastery is just over 220. I usually need to stun the baby gryphons to hit them at all, but I learn only 2 mindstates per shot. This is using a full aim each time.

I agree that the 6 or so mindstates I used to gain before the first change was too high and this is much better than the half a mindstate I gained before this last change, but this still seems rather low, considering the time it takes and the overhunting.
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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 04:00 PM CST
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Overhunting won't train you THAT much better - 2 mindstates per shot means you need to take 17 shots, and with a crossbow that's ~25 seconds per shot, which is about 7 minutes. I also think you're probably getting a bit more than 2 mindstates per shot (I was during testing), and those fractions will add up to take you down around the 6 minute mark, which is pretty reasonable.

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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 05:49 PM CST
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I killed 4 at 3-4 shots apiece. Around when I stopped, I had 14/34 with .06 gained. It might not be worth the effort at all to me, but I will probably drop down to an easier creature if I continue to try to train crossbow.
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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 06:30 PM CST
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>>I killed 4 at 3-4 shots apiece. Around when I stopped, I had 14/34 with .06 gained. It might not be worth the effort at all to me, but I will probably drop down to an easier creature if I continue to try to train crossbow.

Maybe my quick, in-the-head math is a off, but doesn't this put you at 13-15 minutes to ML? I know weapons can train faster than that depending on circumstances, but is that considered an unreasonably long time? (I ask that question in all seriousness and of anyone willing to reply, not just the OP.)



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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 06:38 PM CST
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It was inconsistent with Socharis's 7 minutes estimate, which I was responding to. It's frustrating because when I'm training crossbow I'm doing only that. It's possible a slightly lower creature would work better overall, but having to stun these because I was overhunting and learning this little felt like underwhelming. It's definitely better than before, but it still just doesn't feel worth the effort to me, which is disappointing.
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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 06:43 PM CST
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>>It's definitely better than before, but it still just doesn't feel worth the effort to me, which is disappointing.

Fair enough. I was certainly open to being wrong in what constitutes a long time, too.



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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 10:17 PM CST
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How long are other weapons taking to lock?

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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/01/2013 10:52 PM CST
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>>How long are other weapons taking to lock?

Mine are taking me between 7min (LE which trains very fast) and 15min (Staves/2HB which do not train fast) at 18th circle, with assorted times in between. I can test more exactly later if you like. The gap I attribute to 1-2 second RTs on a tyrium hawkbill vs. 7-9 seconds on a three-fold staff and that Prydaen auction spear.



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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/02/2013 02:55 AM CST
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Slow weapons seem to take longer.

Pole Arms, Two Handed and Heavy Cross take far longer for my bard to lock than small edge, brawl and even tactics (which isnt fast).
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Re: Crossbow exp modified? on 03/02/2013 11:03 AM CST
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It consistently takes me 11 minutes to go from clear to 33/34 in crossbow with 700 ranks in assassins, using crossing hx and full aim. Personally, this is acceptable.
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