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Is it pretty much a consensus that the lochaber axe is the best way to go for halberds? That is, presuming you have the strength for it? Only have 22 strength, so is it worth it for me?
best halberd i'd say is the Partisan.
a partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade
Eighteen hands from end to end, the broad spearhead of this partisan is forged from woodgrain-patterned steel and attached to a heavy ebony shaft.
A partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade is a halberd pole-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
heavy puncture damage
heavy slice damage
fair impact damage
You are certain that the partisan is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the partisan is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The partisan is made with metal.
The partisan has a bit of weight to it.
(Naissura squints at the balance beam needle and says, "The partisan weighs about sixty-five stones," and puts the partisan on the counter.)
You are certain that the partisan is worth exactly 54000 kronars.
yeah it's kinda heavy, but i think it's worth it.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
a partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade
Eighteen hands from end to end, the broad spearhead of this partisan is forged from woodgrain-patterned steel and attached to a heavy ebony shaft.
A partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade is a halberd pole-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
heavy puncture damage
heavy slice damage
fair impact damage
You are certain that the partisan is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the partisan is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The partisan is made with metal.
The partisan has a bit of weight to it.
(Naissura squints at the balance beam needle and says, "The partisan weighs about sixty-five stones," and puts the partisan on the counter.)
You are certain that the partisan is worth exactly 54000 kronars.
yeah it's kinda heavy, but i think it's worth it.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
oh sorry...
here is the careful app
A partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade is a halberd pole-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
heavy puncture damage
heavy slice damage
fair impact damage
You are certain that the partisan is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
A partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade is a quarter staff pole-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
moderate slice damage
great impact damage
You are certain that the partisan is poorly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the partisan is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The partisan is made with metal.
The partisan has a bit of weight to it.
You are certain that the partisan is worth exactly 54000 kronars.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.
h/h/f f/f -> halb
f/m/g f/f -> QS
vs.
p/g/s p/r -> halb
guess i put more stock in versatility and balance
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
here is the careful app
A partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade is a halberd pole-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
heavy puncture damage
heavy slice damage
fair impact damage
You are certain that the partisan is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
A partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade is a quarter staff pole-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
moderate slice damage
great impact damage
You are certain that the partisan is poorly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the partisan is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The partisan is made with metal.
The partisan has a bit of weight to it.
You are certain that the partisan is worth exactly 54000 kronars.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.
h/h/f f/f -> halb
f/m/g f/f -> QS
vs.
p/g/s p/r -> halb
guess i put more stock in versatility and balance
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
You said the best halberd. Its stats as a QS are frankly irrelevant.
That being said, fair balance doesn't make up the difference of severe impact and great slice. If the lochabar axe were dismally balanced, then yes, you might be on to something. But it's not. The litmus test is to take both into combat. I've got a partisan and a lochabar axe myself, and the axe just does better overall.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
That being said, fair balance doesn't make up the difference of severe impact and great slice. If the lochabar axe were dismally balanced, then yes, you might be on to something. But it's not. The litmus test is to take both into combat. I've got a partisan and a lochabar axe myself, and the axe just does better overall.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
>guess i put more stock in versatility and balance
>Yamcer
The only problem is that you will spend more TDP's to get a low RT for the partizan than you will for the axe. With a strength increasing ability the axe can make up for less balance with increased speed.
Basically, the lochaber axe is the best damage dealing halberd available and forged halberds offer the most versatility by offering better weapon balance and the option to slice or thrust effectively.
Well done is better than well said. (Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790))
>Yamcer
The only problem is that you will spend more TDP's to get a low RT for the partizan than you will for the axe. With a strength increasing ability the axe can make up for less balance with increased speed.
Basically, the lochaber axe is the best damage dealing halberd available and forged halberds offer the most versatility by offering better weapon balance and the option to slice or thrust effectively.
Well done is better than well said. (Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790))
<<The only problem is that you will spend more TDP's to get a low RT for the partizan than you will for the axe.>>
hmmmm i thought that agility and strength both play a role in the lowering of RT. Agility and balance, strength and suitedness are used to figure out effective strangth to determin RT.
for an elf (Agil -1, Str +1) increasing agility is more efficent TDP wise.
partisan with fair balance and locbar axe with poor means that my agility is more effective with the partisan than the axe.
lower cost... more effective... i'll again go with the more balanced weapon hands down.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
hmmmm i thought that agility and strength both play a role in the lowering of RT. Agility and balance, strength and suitedness are used to figure out effective strangth to determin RT.
for an elf (Agil -1, Str +1) increasing agility is more efficent TDP wise.
partisan with fair balance and locbar axe with poor means that my agility is more effective with the partisan than the axe.
lower cost... more effective... i'll again go with the more balanced weapon hands down.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
The problem, of course, is that you're assuming that the difference in effectiveness between poor/fair balance is enough to make up the lack of SEVERE IMPACT.
Heavy puncture on a polearm is mostly irrelevant as the the only move in the best halberd combo which even uses it is thrust and that's easily removed from the combo with no negative effect. Impact and slice are used in every other move.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
Heavy puncture on a polearm is mostly irrelevant as the the only move in the best halberd combo which even uses it is thrust and that's easily removed from the combo with no negative effect. Impact and slice are used in every other move.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
<<Heavy puncture on a polearm is mostly irrelevant as the the only move in the best halberd combo which even uses it is thrust>>
you are now assuming that a particular manuver only deals one type of damage.
puncture tends to do internal damage over slice which does external. pre-combat combo stuff i was able to give great bleeders with a low slice fair puncture dagger by using the slice command. this method worked well since it didn't do internal and the low slice was able to control the damage done.
now with the same dagger and slice style i deal both internal and external damage. which leads me to conclude that the attack commands use a combonation of all teh weapon stats when it deals damage.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
you are now assuming that a particular manuver only deals one type of damage.
puncture tends to do internal damage over slice which does external. pre-combat combo stuff i was able to give great bleeders with a low slice fair puncture dagger by using the slice command. this method worked well since it didn't do internal and the low slice was able to control the damage done.
now with the same dagger and slice style i deal both internal and external damage. which leads me to conclude that the attack commands use a combonation of all teh weapon stats when it deals damage.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
>>puncture tends to do internal damage over slice which does external. pre-combat combo stuff i was able to give great bleeders with a low slice fair puncture dagger by using the slice command. this method worked well since it didn't do internal and the low slice was able to control the damage done.<<
So you're saying that impact doesn't do internal damage?
-Wighten
So you're saying that impact doesn't do internal damage?
-Wighten
<<So you're saying that impact doesn't do internal damage?>>
no, i said slice didn't do internal damage, wasn't talking in the slightest about impact. since a dagger apps at like f/p/no or some such, with no impact on a weapon, i'd reason a guess that most if not all internal damage comes from puncture. Hey i could be wrong but this all based on my own observations.
old combat:
LE f/p/n
slice, slice, slice...
only external damage (yes empath verification)
new combat:
LE f/p/n
slice, slice, slice....
external and internal damage (visual brusing)
call me crazy but the data i saw points to attacks using the various damage type of a weapon.
asking for "the best" is a pretty wide range. the best to me is exactly what i have since it conforms to my charcter and play style
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
no, i said slice didn't do internal damage, wasn't talking in the slightest about impact. since a dagger apps at like f/p/no or some such, with no impact on a weapon, i'd reason a guess that most if not all internal damage comes from puncture. Hey i could be wrong but this all based on my own observations.
old combat:
LE f/p/n
slice, slice, slice...
only external damage (yes empath verification)
new combat:
LE f/p/n
slice, slice, slice....
external and internal damage (visual brusing)
call me crazy but the data i saw points to attacks using the various damage type of a weapon.
asking for "the best" is a pretty wide range. the best to me is exactly what i have since it conforms to my charcter and play style
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
>Heavy puncture on a polearm is mostly irrelevant as the the only move in the best halberd combo which even uses it is thrust and that's easily removed from the combo with no negative effect. Impact and slice are used in every other move.
Actually, lunge can be easily included in a combo. The added versatility is using the point of the weapon against creatures that are resistant to slice.
>Puncture is the suck now.
Sad but true. All puncture weapons suck now unless you can backstab with it.
>new combat:
>LE f/p/n
>slice, slice, slice....
>external and internal damage (visual brusing)
Now that pike's crappy combo includes 'sweep', I have never seen internal damage done while sweeping with a heavy/low/low spear.
Well done is better than well said. (Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790))
Actually, lunge can be easily included in a combo. The added versatility is using the point of the weapon against creatures that are resistant to slice.
>Puncture is the suck now.
Sad but true. All puncture weapons suck now unless you can backstab with it.
>new combat:
>LE f/p/n
>slice, slice, slice....
>external and internal damage (visual brusing)
Now that pike's crappy combo includes 'sweep', I have never seen internal damage done while sweeping with a heavy/low/low spear.
Well done is better than well said. (Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790))
If you can identify a situation where heavy puncture on a polearm (which is only significantly used on certain manuevers) is more desirable than severe impact (which is significantly used on most manuevers), I'll concede the point.
Please note that there currently are no creatures in game that resist impact damage more than they resist puncture, and most creatures are more resistant to puncture than impact.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
Please note that there currently are no creatures in game that resist impact damage more than they resist puncture, and most creatures are more resistant to puncture than impact.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
>>If you can identify a situation where heavy puncture on a polearm (which is only significantly used on certain manuevers) is more desirable than severe impact (which is significantly used on most manuevers), I'll concede the point.
<<
I'd be glad to.
I'm an elf with 29 strength and 34 agility. Two more agility points and my forged halberd is at 3/4 RT.
Now, with the axe, since strength is more suited than agility, I would instead need more strength than agility to even hope to receive lower RT. That, in conjunction with the extra cost that strength costs me as an elf, is reason enough for me not to use that sick axe--at least not if I want to do something within 10 seconds of attacking.
The ammount of attacks I could pull off with the halberd in the time span of a single lotsajunk axe attack, even though weaker, would be more damaging in total.
At least, that's just me and my scenario--I don't have maxed out stats yet. I'm sure if I had minimum RT with both weapons the axe would prevail; however, now it does not.
Call me baby-face Lei.
<<
I'd be glad to.
I'm an elf with 29 strength and 34 agility. Two more agility points and my forged halberd is at 3/4 RT.
Now, with the axe, since strength is more suited than agility, I would instead need more strength than agility to even hope to receive lower RT. That, in conjunction with the extra cost that strength costs me as an elf, is reason enough for me not to use that sick axe--at least not if I want to do something within 10 seconds of attacking.
The ammount of attacks I could pull off with the halberd in the time span of a single lotsajunk axe attack, even though weaker, would be more damaging in total.
At least, that's just me and my scenario--I don't have maxed out stats yet. I'm sure if I had minimum RT with both weapons the axe would prevail; however, now it does not.
Call me baby-face Lei.
>If you can identify a situation where heavy puncture on a polearm (which is only significantly used on certain manuevers) is more desirable than severe impact (which is significantly used on most manuevers), I'll concede the point.
Easily. With a forged halberd (42 stones vs. 62 stones), I dont have to train up one stat greater than the others to get minimum RT. That means I can dance Wolverine, Panther, or Dragon instead of dancing Bear or I dont have to dance and I can berserk if I get into trouble. Sure the impact on the axe is great, but try using it on something that parries. It only hurts if it hits. Secondly, on a hard to hit opponent, a well timed lunge usually stuns the opponent and its game over. The axe is good if your main weapon is halberds and strength and agility is easy to train.
>Please note that there currently are no creatures in game that resist impact damage more than they resist puncture, and most creatures are more resistant to puncture than impact.
Lipopods.
Well done is better than well said. (Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790))
Easily. With a forged halberd (42 stones vs. 62 stones), I dont have to train up one stat greater than the others to get minimum RT. That means I can dance Wolverine, Panther, or Dragon instead of dancing Bear or I dont have to dance and I can berserk if I get into trouble. Sure the impact on the axe is great, but try using it on something that parries. It only hurts if it hits. Secondly, on a hard to hit opponent, a well timed lunge usually stuns the opponent and its game over. The axe is good if your main weapon is halberds and strength and agility is easy to train.
>Please note that there currently are no creatures in game that resist impact damage more than they resist puncture, and most creatures are more resistant to puncture than impact.
Lipopods.
Well done is better than well said. (Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790))
Hey, Rayje? Pay attention. We're specifically comparing a 65 stone heavy/heavy halberd with the 62 stone lochabar ax and we are not concerned with the TDPs and the stats involved, simply the effectiveness of heavy puncture versus severe impact. The fact that a forged halberd is lighter than a storebought lochabar axe is, for the purposes of this discussion, irrelevant.
And lipopods resist puncture and impact both strongly - it's slice they're vulnerable to.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
And lipopods resist puncture and impact both strongly - it's slice they're vulnerable to.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
>Hey, Rayje? Pay attention. We're specifically comparing a 65 stone heavy/heavy halberd with the 62 stone lochabar ax and we are not concerned with the TDPs and the stats involved, simply the effectiveness of heavy puncture versus severe impact. The fact that a forged halberd is lighter than a storebought lochabar axe is, for the purposes of this discussion, irrelevant.
Hi! Seeing as how a forged halberd has the same slice, puncture, and nearly the same impact while being 23 stones lighter than the partisan..., why would you want to use the 65 stone weapon? At least have the decency to compare the two best weapons.
Well done is better than well said. (Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790))
Hi! Seeing as how a forged halberd has the same slice, puncture, and nearly the same impact while being 23 stones lighter than the partisan..., why would you want to use the 65 stone weapon? At least have the decency to compare the two best weapons.
Well done is better than well said. (Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790))
Because forged halberds aren't swappable into QS?
I use a forged halberd myself. The difference between 1/2/3 RT with the forged versus 3/4 with either the partisan or the lochabar axe means that for training purposes, the forged halberd is currently superior to either.
Once I raise my STR/AGI again, I'll switch to the lochabar because it is simply superior. Given the need to economize on stats/TDPs, I recommend a forged halberd over a short-hafted from theren - it only requires one or two more points of STR/AGI and is significantly better.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
I use a forged halberd myself. The difference between 1/2/3 RT with the forged versus 3/4 with either the partisan or the lochabar axe means that for training purposes, the forged halberd is currently superior to either.
Once I raise my STR/AGI again, I'll switch to the lochabar because it is simply superior. Given the need to economize on stats/TDPs, I recommend a forged halberd over a short-hafted from theren - it only requires one or two more points of STR/AGI and is significantly better.
Orpheus: "You've been powering this machine with a forsaken child?"
Venture: "What? It's not like I used the whole thing."
>>Hi! Seeing as how a forged halberd has the same slice, puncture, and nearly the same impact while being 23 stones lighter than the partisan..., why would you want to use the 65 stone weapon? At least have the decency to compare the two best weapons.<<
In that case, then people with poor strength and agility SHOULD use the lighter weapon. If strength and agility weren't an issue (both at 50) which would you use?
-Wighten
In that case, then people with poor strength and agility SHOULD use the lighter weapon. If strength and agility weren't an issue (both at 50) which would you use?
-Wighten
Of course, you have the occasional unfortunate that chooses to train both halberd AND quarterstaff, thus making the partisan a better choice.
See? I can bring a bunch of irrelevencies into the discussion too! Hey, this is kinda fun...
Amagaim; the player of,
"Tired of the eternal efforts to fight our way through raw matter, we chose another way and sought to embrace the infinite. We went inside ourselves and created a new world."
--- Henrik Steffens
See? I can bring a bunch of irrelevencies into the discussion too! Hey, this is kinda fun...
Amagaim; the player of,
"Tired of the eternal efforts to fight our way through raw matter, we chose another way and sought to embrace the infinite. We went inside ourselves and created a new world."
--- Henrik Steffens
>Of course, you have the occasional unfortunate that chooses to train both halberd AND quarterstaff, thus making the partisan a better choice.
>See? I can bring a bunch of irrelevencies into the discussion too! Hey, this is kinda fun...
Only irrelevant because this is a halberd discussion and not a quarterstaff discussion. But yes, the partisan is a better QS than a lochaber axe or forged halberd.
The Texan turned out to be good-natured, generous and likeable. In three days no one could stand him.
-Catch-22 byt Joseph Heller
>See? I can bring a bunch of irrelevencies into the discussion too! Hey, this is kinda fun...
Only irrelevant because this is a halberd discussion and not a quarterstaff discussion. But yes, the partisan is a better QS than a lochaber axe or forged halberd.
The Texan turned out to be good-natured, generous and likeable. In three days no one could stand him.
-Catch-22 byt Joseph Heller
plenty of talk about being ready for the lochaber
few questions
stat wise when is this a good weapon choice? 23 strength currently
will it fit in a staff harness?<worked leather staff harness>I am in theren if anyone would wanna test.
I did have a forged halberd but lost it dying and have moved to the short hafted,which i don't enjoy cause it is melee range, I assume lochaber is pole range?
few questions
stat wise when is this a good weapon choice? 23 strength currently
will it fit in a staff harness?<worked leather staff harness>I am in theren if anyone would wanna test.
I did have a forged halberd but lost it dying and have moved to the short hafted,which i don't enjoy cause it is melee range, I assume lochaber is pole range?
At 23 strength I would stick with the short hafted halberd from Theren, unless you dont mind the long RTs. You will also need a fair amount of agility to offset the axe's balance. Dont know if it fits in a staff harness but if you are around Theren I will let you try mine. It can be worn with a weapon strap and it will fit in a claymore sheath. If you want another forged halberd Prescious is selling some in Crossing.
Magic is not a crutch. It is merely something that mages depend upon to get through life.
Magic is not a crutch. It is merely something that mages depend upon to get through life.
>>>If you want another forged halberd Prescious is selling some in Crossing.
Well, that clinches it. I'd rather use one of the halberds that the trollkins drag around rather than buy through that one.
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Don't wink it if you can help it.
Well, that clinches it. I'd rather use one of the halberds that the trollkins drag around rather than buy through that one.
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Don't say it if you can whisper it.
Don't whisper it if you can imply it.
Don't imply it if you can nudge it.
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