use Mod Impact. I can kill faster with my LE than my HE in things far under powered compared to me, but then, I haven't achieved min RT on my HE.. ... then again, my HE is also Severe Slice.. .. ... But there you are.

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Now how I remember you
How I would push my fingers through
Your mouth to make those muscles move
That made your voice so smooth and sweet

Ok, well now people are saying that LE is an untrainable weapon skill. I guess I've missed something but it seams rather easy to train to me. Course, its like 5th on my weapon skill list.


"They have not wanted peace at all; they have wanted to be spared war -- as though the absence of war was the same as peace"
-Dorothy Thompsan

<<Ok, well now people are saying that LE is an untrainable weapon skill. I guess I've missed something but it seams rather easy to train to me. Course, its like 5th on my weapon skill list.>>

LE is possible, however with a commoner I wouldn't really recommend it as you won't really have the skills to use it efficiently. You'll still be able to swing it with a decent rt, but anything that hits with anything will be too heavy and you'll fatigue quickly.

Don't get me wrong... LE is not the "best" choice in weapons. Forging and RT changes pretty much killed balance in terms of cost/benefit. It has many limitations and early on can be tedious.

But it does get easier and more effective later on, even if not as favorable as other weapon classes.

I'll just continue sitting back and hoping for improvements.



~~~ The Son of Damaris ~~~

>What disappoints me is that my two primary weapons that I decided, for rp purposes, were LT and LE jabbers. LT was >horrible for years, and was ok for a couple of months so now it is downtweaked.

>LE jabbers just are lousy now. I don't even bother.


If you chose them as your primary weapons for RP, great! However, if you're upset now because they are "lousy" and don't use them anymore, it's silly.

I mean, if you trained them for "years that they were horrid" and only now you're upset with them enough to break you characters RP... Then you may have made a worse choice than you think. In many areas.

I always used a jabber until the changes. I put up my sabre and went and got a scimitar. I can consistently beat people in spars with 50 more weapons and evasion because they use jabbers. (and they don't know not to lunge). If you don't catch a stun with lunge, you're dead in the water. Hunting-wise, you can't use lunge effectively in any multi situation without getting very very hurt.

Other than that, thrust has more of a defensive penalties than before, and jab... well, jab wasn't great before, and it's not great now. I'd like jabbers as a whole to get another look, and actually have a combo that mirrors pikes.

Jab/Thrust/Lunge.

Instead of the current

Lunge/Thrust/Jab.

Using the biggest hitting move (and biggest penalty) in early position without good balance or position is simply a dumb move. The biggest balance gain combination should allow people to work their way up to a decent hitting move.

-Wighten

Yes, jabbing weapons on the whole got tanked. Le got hit hard because the alternatives don't afford themselves much to good balance and power, only one of the above. As opposed to reasonably balanced, severe slice weapons. I'm still waiting and hoping for improvement.


~~~ The Son of Damaris ~~~

For a commoner I would still suggest the jambiya since it has good balance an fair power for an LE and you can also thrust with it.

PS Daerlynn, have you tried a jambiya? I usually go with a feint, slice, chop, feint, lunge, slice and it seems to work pretty well. although it defaults to slicing, it is still a good jabber.

An ivory-hilted jambiya is a light edged type weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
fair slice damage
poor impact damage

You are certain that the jambiya is reasonably balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the ivory-hilted jambiya is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.

The ivory-hilted jambiya is made with metal.
The ivory-hilted jambiya feels pretty light.
You are certain that the ivory-hilted jambiya is worth exactly 400 lirums


Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.

-George Carlin

>>I do miss using my tago though. Something about that weapon's description appeals to me.

I've almost completely traded use of my two other LE's (a shriike for jabbing and a kythe for slicing) for a jambiya. Now I either need to find a way to make the ivory-hilt be ruby, or maybe just get it altered to look like the kythe.

As for combos...when in doubt, ATTACK x3 always works.

Killing you softly with his song,
- Stormsinger Shavay

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"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams"
- Arthur O'Shaughnessy

Where can I find one of these LE's. I have a katar, but I still get tired usin' it.

Nikolia

I'd suggest learning LE by parrying attacks. Work on brawling, sheild, evasion as you do it.

I'd stay away from jabbers as the penalty to def for such attacks wont be offset with offesnse with such low ranks and poor weapons. SLicing weapons seem to do more damage then impact.

The jaymba's arn't bad for a LE, but I belive that shortswords and katars can be forged at low weights for noobs. In the long run I have yet to find a better weapon then a mod slice forged katar, though i never use the old old katars that app something like l/f/p f/r, maybe damaris's kid can correct me on the app.


Halfling,

http://www.beyondgoodevil.org/users/datarealms/

anyone wana clue me in on where to get a Jambiya?

<<anyone wana clue me in on where to get a Jambiya?>>

They are found on Shadowbeasts that live below the Zalfung Swamp just outside Haven. If you are in Haven, and I am about, I can get one for you. Otherwise its a tough area for any youngin to get too, your best bet is to ask over the Haven gweth, sometimes there are hunters down there that can pick one up for you as well.

Rehlyn

Ps. dont think they are found on Ratha unless its in a new area I am not familiar with


Some thoughtful soul has marked the surface of the lock with a drawing of several very happy looking stick figures.
A tasia corsair says, "Well I was hoping to wait for a cleric first but if you watch my stuff I'll depart. Thanks."

...Um. Not so much.

I'll have someone buy one for me..

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Now how I remember you
How I would push my fingers through
Your mouth to make those muscles move
That made your voice so smooth and sweet

Ahhh JambIya. Iii see.

Heh. The Ratha one is mispelled

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Now how I remember you
How I would push my fingers through
Your mouth to make those muscles move
That made your voice so smooth and sweet

oops, I stand corrected. Got em mixed up...

LE is definitely viable for a commoner. I wouldn't use it as a primary weapon. I started training my commoner as LE primary and quickly discovered that medium edge far, far outpaced its damage--even at vastly lower ranks. I'd rely on another edge as a primary weapon, then swap out your jambiya when you lock the first. Additionally, there's an added benefit of taking forever to kill something: it really gets the defenses going. But, to reiterate, you can train it. My commoner has nearly 150 ranks in LE.

Leth Deriel, in the tree, very nice, but a steep price (or it was when I was young) for a store bought item. It is my Gor'Togs backup weapon in case he ever loses his fists.

mfberg