Previous Thread
Expand All
Collapse All
Ignore Author
Reply
Anyone have a suggestion on how to train multi with a LE? I am HE/2HE prime but would like to bring my le up; but i get rocked if i pull it out during swarms? Any suggestions?
Da Madd Webba aka Da Truth aka too Real for TV
You might as well pay attention since your behind can't afford free speech
Denial is not just a river in Egypt!"....
I'm like a pee stained mattress, don't sleep on me!
I may have the concept of this a bit confused, but I think the balance of the weapon has a lot to do with the parrying ability. I am longbow prime, Le secondary, and LT tert, so LE is the only weapon I use when dancing, in swarms. I use the katar to kill, but the tago to parry with, since it has well balance and of course to throw for LT. That's how I train all my multi.
Jal
You hear a female voice whisper, "Easily used when offered, probably is like other men. Always speaking with their muscles, and not the one that rests between their ears."
Jal
You hear a female voice whisper, "Easily used when offered, probably is like other men. Always speaking with their muscles, and not the one that rests between their ears."
I've found the same thing when using my katar. Has about as much ability to parry as a troll's armpit, seems like. However, I've had great ability to parry with much larger weapons with the same balance stat, so I don't think the lack of balance is the only factor. Might be also having to factor in the length of the weapon as well as the area of the sharpened portion. Just a theory, however, so take it with quite a few grains of salt. (And for some of you, a wedge of lime and a shot of tequila.)
So that's when I've been mostly training shield. Sure, I still get hit. A lot. But I block a vast majority of the attacks, and cut down the actual damage to few getting more than good hits. It does good for the empaths, after all.
The only thing I've found that helps with this method is making the LE hunt the first one of the trip. By the time I've gone through two weapon types, I tend to be rather burdened with the boxes and coins, so staying as light as possible tends to help me evade more. (Again, just a theory. Hopefully you're not out of limes yet.)
If I just want to dance with a critter or two, I'll pull out a kythe. But active hunting needs the katar/shield combination to be effective for me.
Amagaim; the player of,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
So that's when I've been mostly training shield. Sure, I still get hit. A lot. But I block a vast majority of the attacks, and cut down the actual damage to few getting more than good hits. It does good for the empaths, after all.
The only thing I've found that helps with this method is making the LE hunt the first one of the trip. By the time I've gone through two weapon types, I tend to be rather burdened with the boxes and coins, so staying as light as possible tends to help me evade more. (Again, just a theory. Hopefully you're not out of limes yet.)
If I just want to dance with a critter or two, I'll pull out a kythe. But active hunting needs the katar/shield combination to be effective for me.
Amagaim; the player of,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Ranks in your weapon, along with weapon balance affect your ability to parry. Weight may be a factor, but I cannot confirm that. I believe size matters as well, but the size factor is often offset by balance.
Also, if you are attacking, be aware that certain moves carry substantial defensive penalties, such as sweep and lunge.
Also, if you are attacking, be aware that certain moves carry substantial defensive penalties, such as sweep and lunge.
Just don't do it. Learn multi with HE or 2HE in hand, and once you lock, kill one of the critters to lessen the MO penalty, then switch to a LE and kill em all.
Or find something that's a step down from what you normally hunt with HE/2HE, and backtrain LE there.
I'm pretty sure the things that affect your ability to parry are (in particular order) parry skill, size of the weapon (weapon type), balance of the weapon, weapon ranks of the type you're parrying with, agility, and reflex.
So if you're trying to parry with a katar, you got the size and balance portion of the equation about as low as you can go.
I get the snot beat out of me when I pull out a katar if I'm dancing with two peccs. Holding a HE or ME, I can dance with three without problems. I just limit my use of LE to caracals, and most of the time I'm fine.
-Gavyn
"There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't."
Or find something that's a step down from what you normally hunt with HE/2HE, and backtrain LE there.
I'm pretty sure the things that affect your ability to parry are (in particular order) parry skill, size of the weapon (weapon type), balance of the weapon, weapon ranks of the type you're parrying with, agility, and reflex.
So if you're trying to parry with a katar, you got the size and balance portion of the equation about as low as you can go.
I get the snot beat out of me when I pull out a katar if I'm dancing with two peccs. Holding a HE or ME, I can dance with three without problems. I just limit my use of LE to caracals, and most of the time I'm fine.
-Gavyn
"There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't."
<<I'm pretty sure the things that affect your ability to parry are (in particular order) parry skill, size of the weapon (weapon type), balance of the weapon, weapon ranks of the type you're parrying with, agility, and reflex.>>
Almost certain a GM posted weapon size is not a factor. Balance is, which is why your katar does not work well. I have trained all edged weapons and never noticed a difference between weapon class.
Almost certain a GM posted weapon size is not a factor. Balance is, which is why your katar does not work well. I have trained all edged weapons and never noticed a difference between weapon class.
Concur with TFP.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, weapon ranks matter as well. TF player could test this theory quickly, by picking up a weapon he doesn't use and going to something that he normally just barely parries.
Yamcer(said): "do a little studying you'll find far more eye gouging and crotch kicking than you realize."
Also, if I'm not mistaken, weapon ranks matter as well. TF player could test this theory quickly, by picking up a weapon he doesn't use and going to something that he normally just barely parries.
Yamcer(said): "do a little studying you'll find far more eye gouging and crotch kicking than you realize."
Hmm, alright. Has anyone ever had a claymore knocked out of their hands while parrying? I can't say that I have, but have had katars knocked out of my hand numerous times. My 2HE and LE are within 5 ranks of each other. Just seems odd I guess if weapon type isn't a factor.
-Gavyn
"There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't."
-Gavyn
"There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't."
<<Hmm, alright. Has anyone ever had a claymore knocked out of their hands while parrying? I can't say that I have, but have had katars knocked out of my hand numerous times. My 2HE and LE are within 5 ranks of each other. Just seems odd I guess if weapon type isn't a factor.
-Gavyn>>
Dismal balance is a range and katars seem to be close to 0. If you get a forged katar you can have them grind a couple times for balance which seems to cure the dropping problem, or it did for me at least.
Thx.
-Gavyn>>
Dismal balance is a range and katars seem to be close to 0. If you get a forged katar you can have them grind a couple times for balance which seems to cure the dropping problem, or it did for me at least.
Thx.
>>Dismal balance is a range and katars seem to be close to 0. If you get a forged katar you can have them grind a couple times for balance which seems to cure the dropping problem, or it did for me at least<<
Will that allow you to train multi with it?
I've tried with a dago, leaf blade sword and the jaymabas. Dancing with 3 stalkers/Bristle Pecs and I geet tagged. but I can dance with them just fine with my medium edge that's 30 ranks below it.
Thoughts?
Da Madd Webba aka Da Truth aka too Real for TV
You might as well pay attention since your behind can't afford free speech
Denial is not just a river in Egypt!"....
I'm like a pee stained mattress, don't sleep on me!
Will that allow you to train multi with it?
I've tried with a dago, leaf blade sword and the jaymabas. Dancing with 3 stalkers/Bristle Pecs and I geet tagged. but I can dance with them just fine with my medium edge that's 30 ranks below it.
Thoughts?
Da Madd Webba aka Da Truth aka too Real for TV
You might as well pay attention since your behind can't afford free speech
Denial is not just a river in Egypt!"....
I'm like a pee stained mattress, don't sleep on me!
Hmm- Perhaps better balance? My empath used to use a knife for parrying, until I ordered a short sword from Poshly for her. She gets tagged a lot less with that.
Ryeka and the brood
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
Ryeka and the brood
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
>>Will that allow you to train multi with it?
>>I've tried with a dago, leaf blade sword and the jaymabas. Dancing with 3 stalkers/Bristle Pecs and I geet tagged. but I can dance with them just fine with my medium edge that's 30 ranks below it.
I actually use my altered Jambiya when I'm training LE with multi. Granted I have 135 ranks in LE and 118 in multi. Training in vipers when I do train multi. And its balance is pretty good. I'd have to say to find a good balanced LE to parry with if your training multi with parry, or just do what I normally do. I'll set parry to 0 and evasion to 100 and train evasion instead of parry with an LE, but I kill with the LE. You don't parry, you don't drop the weapon. Don't know, its a suggestion, unless your trying to passively learn parry with the multi. If not, change your stances so you evade or shield block. One or the other if your a shield user.
~Dalkin~
If its got two legs and you hear a thud...don't panic...I just killed another one.
>>>>Agonar, apparently taking an uncharacteristic trip to the north, strolls by, winks at Marlena, giggles oddly to himself, and continues his journey onward.
>>I've tried with a dago, leaf blade sword and the jaymabas. Dancing with 3 stalkers/Bristle Pecs and I geet tagged. but I can dance with them just fine with my medium edge that's 30 ranks below it.
I actually use my altered Jambiya when I'm training LE with multi. Granted I have 135 ranks in LE and 118 in multi. Training in vipers when I do train multi. And its balance is pretty good. I'd have to say to find a good balanced LE to parry with if your training multi with parry, or just do what I normally do. I'll set parry to 0 and evasion to 100 and train evasion instead of parry with an LE, but I kill with the LE. You don't parry, you don't drop the weapon. Don't know, its a suggestion, unless your trying to passively learn parry with the multi. If not, change your stances so you evade or shield block. One or the other if your a shield user.
~Dalkin~
If its got two legs and you hear a thud...don't panic...I just killed another one.
>>>>Agonar, apparently taking an uncharacteristic trip to the north, strolls by, winks at Marlena, giggles oddly to himself, and continues his journey onward.
<<Will that allow you to train multi with it?>>
When I train multi I use my highest weapon with the best balance (2HE reasonable) which according to Ssra allows me to parry the best.
<<I've tried with a dago, leaf blade sword and the jaymabas. Dancing with 3 stalkers/Bristle Pecs and I geet tagged. but I can dance with them just fine with my medium edge that's 30 ranks below it.>>
Not sure unless the balance on your ME is in the high range of reasonable. A quick compare should give you how the balance compares. Might want to try a LE with well balance.
Thx.
When I train multi I use my highest weapon with the best balance (2HE reasonable) which according to Ssra allows me to parry the best.
<<I've tried with a dago, leaf blade sword and the jaymabas. Dancing with 3 stalkers/Bristle Pecs and I geet tagged. but I can dance with them just fine with my medium edge that's 30 ranks below it.>>
Not sure unless the balance on your ME is in the high range of reasonable. A quick compare should give you how the balance compares. Might want to try a LE with well balance.
Thx.
I think years back GM damissak removed the penalty LE users had when atempting to parry an aatack. He also removed the bonus other weapon classes recieved when attempting to parry a LE attack.
Also if LE skill is poor for your hunting area you might be loosing balance with wild attacks or penalties. Try adding shield as well. I think blocking teaches more MO, but i cant recall any info to support that.
LE is still on the short stick for damage/second. I wouldnt bother with it.
Halfling,
http://home.comcast.net/~toolshed47/
Also if LE skill is poor for your hunting area you might be loosing balance with wild attacks or penalties. Try adding shield as well. I think blocking teaches more MO, but i cant recall any info to support that.
LE is still on the short stick for damage/second. I wouldnt bother with it.
Halfling,
http://home.comcast.net/~toolshed47/
>>Yeah, I definitely regret using it as my primary melee weapon now. I think it's time to switch to ME or HE.
Never!!
Especially knowing the fact that Ssra said less powerful weapons would make up for themselves in versatility in the future (feats and abilities).
HT and LT fall into this class as well.
Call me baby-face Lei.
Never!!
Especially knowing the fact that Ssra said less powerful weapons would make up for themselves in versatility in the future (feats and abilities).
HT and LT fall into this class as well.
Call me baby-face Lei.
>Hmm, alright. Has anyone ever had a claymore knocked out of their hands while parrying?
Yep, my first 2HE was a forged claymore I picked up off of a donation rack and weighed 31 or 32 stones. It was an awesome weapon... then came the tweak to forged weapons and the quality went down and the weight went up. At the time I was hunting rock guardians and the only time I died in there was when I used my katar or my claymore. It happened so frequently I had to set up a text string with sound to let me know when it dropped.
Proverbs 26:11:
11As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.
Yep, my first 2HE was a forged claymore I picked up off of a donation rack and weighed 31 or 32 stones. It was an awesome weapon... then came the tweak to forged weapons and the quality went down and the weight went up. At the time I was hunting rock guardians and the only time I died in there was when I used my katar or my claymore. It happened so frequently I had to set up a text string with sound to let me know when it dropped.
Proverbs 26:11:
11As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.
