RT's on 04/09/2007 07:55 PM CDT
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So what kind of RTs would a QS be getting before this 6 second cap, because I'm thinking it makes QS significantly better, and easier to train. I'm fooling around with QS now, trying to decide if it's worth training up. What's the general consensus. Is it? Will it be eventually?


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Re: RT's on 04/09/2007 08:07 PM CDT
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I was getting 4/6 RTs on the pike staff which is M/P/M and 40 stones. With that I was getting mediocre results. I also tried the lightened bo stick, and while I was getting lower RTs overall damage was less. After the change I moved up to the partisan from To The Teeth. The partisan on the QS side is F/M/G and 65 stones, and I'm at the max 6 second RT. Switching to the partisan has made training QS much easier.
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Re: RT's on 04/09/2007 08:41 PM CDT
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>>So what kind of RTs would a QS be getting before this 6 second cap, because I'm thinking it makes QS significantly better, and easier to train.

Well, way back in the day when I first started using them I recall getting 9- and 11-second roundtimes, and still needing to wait longer to be rested enough to swing again. The six-second max roundtime will help escapes and recovery if people are over their head, but I still expect people will have to wait close to if not more than the old roundtimes, in order to rest up and such. Being able to throw a parry or dodge in earlier than previous should definitely improve survivability in the early ranks.

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Re: RT's on 04/09/2007 09:06 PM CDT
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The new-and-improved RT cap won't really do anything to change or improve a weapons 'trainability; the bottom of the barrel stupid to use weapons will still be there. Because damage on them sucks, or learning is retarded** for some reason.


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Re: RT's on 04/09/2007 10:47 PM CDT
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Zephyr helps a ton with the fatigue. So where's this tooth and fang store or whatnot.


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Re: RT's on 04/10/2007 07:54 AM CDT
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<<So where's this tooth and fang store or whatnot.>>

It was at the Shard Liberation Fest, and it was perhaps open to Premie's in the sea caves for a brief time. You won't find the shop but you certainly might find it's weapons on a trader's table. Good Luck, most folks hold on to the Partisan with dear life.

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Re: RT's on 04/10/2007 09:35 AM CDT
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Haha. Doh! So where's a good, relatively cheap QS I can get my hands on fairly easy? Weight's obviously not going to be a factor, since I'm waaaay backtraining it and I can always get off a 30 mana Zephyr with ease. Thanks again!


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Re: RT's on 05/25/2007 06:23 PM CDT
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Cheapest is foraging a branch and carving it into a cane. Thus it is stowable, disposable and has mod impact, wieght is I think between 40 and 50 stones. Unless you were lucky enought to save a few old branches from way back, and carve them. They are either canes or rought sticks at about 23 stones with heavy impact. They truely are fun to train with. Hard hitting, light and strong. If you have the strength, I have heard the partisans are excellant. The have great impact and the added power from strength is nice. I am not sure if you can hit from pole with them.

And if you have a good Zypher up your all set.


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Re: RT's on 05/25/2007 07:52 PM CDT
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Once you carve the branch it becomes pole ranged, and is only stowable in a container that fits pole ranged weapons. Weight is 50 stones, has heavy impact and is average strength. The old canes are a variety of weights with the same appraisal as the current 50 stones ones. The partisans are pole ranged... they're halberd/qs swappable - both of which always hit from pole.


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Re: RT's on 05/25/2007 11:05 PM CDT
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>The old canes are a variety of weights with the same appraisal as the current 50 stones ones.

I had, at one time, an 18 stone oldie... don't know where it went. Thankfully, I still have a rockin' 19 stone oldie. Only problem with them is that they get damaged too easily.





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Re: RT's on 05/26/2007 10:18 AM CDT
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If you didn't get one of the merchant partisans the Weaponsmith in Rossgallan Keep sells customizable pole-ranged swappable Halberd/QS glaives and halberds. I believe the appraisal is in either this folder or the Halberd folder.


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Re: RT's on 05/27/2007 10:10 AM CDT
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>>Only problem with them is that they get damaged too easily.

I used to use my 18 stone cane with my arm worn shield and parry at 0. That kept it pretty good. I don't know about the higher level critters, but soft natural critters like leucros and wolves shouldn't damage it too much on their skin.

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Re: RT's on 05/27/2007 06:54 PM CDT
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If someone were to have one of those old 18 stone canes, what would it be worth? Anything?


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Re: RT's on 05/28/2007 06:59 AM CDT
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My spare went for 88 plat at Drexella's auction last year.

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Re: RT's on 05/28/2007 07:07 AM CDT
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That was actually my auction for the Therengian arena, but yeah, it went for an astounding 88 plat lir. Goes to show that anything and everything is for sale, as long as the right seller and the right buyer can come into contact.


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Re: RT's on 05/29/2007 07:04 AM CDT
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Well, I have a friend with one. If anyone is interested, they can hit me up on my play.net address. And yeah... he's PROBABLY not gonna be looking for 88 plat, as he was bewildered that I somehow had 35 plat in my Crossing acct. He's been gone a really long time.


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Re: RT's on 09/11/2007 02:49 AM CDT
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My guy stil has one he carved himself. 22 stones Heavy Impact. Also fairly strong so it does not damage too easily. The under 20 stone oldies were twigs easy to break.
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Re: RT's on 10/25/2007 10:41 AM CDT
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Is there any good SS or QS out there?

I got the urge to try all the so called "Horrible" weapons out there, so I tried QS, SS, Sling, Staff Sling, Halberd, (Haven't tried pike yet). Not sure how they all rate for worst to best, But I would have to say the SS is the worse I have tried so far and probably QS after that. Damage is awful.

This is what I am currently using, and I read earlier in this thread about the nightstick in crossing or Hara...are they better than this?

A lead-filled wooden truncheon is a short staff melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage
no slice damage
fair impact damage

You are certain that the truncheon is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the wooden truncheon is somewhat flimsy, and is in pristine condition.

You are confident that the wooden truncheon weighs about 35 stones.
You are certain that the wooden truncheon is worth exactly 700 lirums.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.

Also if anyone has a better QS than this?

A deobar parry stick is a quarter staff pole-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage
no slice damage
moderate impact damage

You are certain that the stick is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the parry stick is somewhat flimsy, and is in pristine condition.

You are certain that the parry stick weighs about 40 stones.
You are certain that the parry stick is worth exactly 400 lirums.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.

I tried the carving branch thing, and I see that does Heavy impact, but it also adds 2 seconds on my RT. I think the 2 seconds is worth more than that more impact in this case.

Any ideas?

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Re: RT's on 10/25/2007 10:50 AM CDT
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For a QS get a partisan with a broad woodgrain somethingorother blade. That's probably the best QS I've seen.


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Re: RT's on 10/25/2007 10:51 AM CDT
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the best quarter staff is the old < 20 stone heavy impact canes. They are hard to find though. I'm sure with heavier weapon you can get heavy impact.

short staff on the other hand is really even worse than light blunt. Flimsy construction and low damage do make them horrible.


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Re: RT's on 10/25/2007 11:06 AM CDT
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Yes if you can snag one of the old hand carved QS they are the best you can get. Here is how mine appraises.

A gnarled wooden cane is a quarter staff melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage
no slice damage
heavy impact damage

You are certain that the cane is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the wooden cane is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.

You are certain that the wooden cane weighs about 22 stones.
You are certain that the wooden cane is worth exactly 15 dokoras.

or if you can not get that try find one of the Three Fold Staffs. Also old but also really nice.

as for Short QS the night stick studed with metal here is how it appraises or the prybar.

A brass jailer's nightstick with inconspicuous studs is a short staff melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage
no slice damage
fair impact damage

You are certain that the nightstick is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the jailer's nightstick is somewhat flimsy, and is in pristine condition.

The jailer's nightstick is made with metal.
You are certain that the jailer's nightstick weighs about 35 stones.
You are certain that the jailer's nightstick is worth exactly 1804 dokoras.

An iron prybar is a short staff melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage
no slice damage
fair impact damage

You are certain that the prybar is poorly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the iron prybar is of average strength, and is in good condition.

The iron prybar is made with metal.
You believe that the iron prybar probably weighs a few tens of stones.
You are certain that the iron prybar is worth exactly 451 dokoras.
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Re: RT's on 10/26/2007 01:40 AM CDT
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I agree with Carolint on this one. The partisan really is a sweet QS. Makes backtraining a breeze, just kill-kill-kill-kill until Jonboy brings the cows home and your daddy takes the T-bird away.

I've even gone to playing the soundtrack from 300 whenever I even think about wielding the partisan. It's just that good.

And, as an added benefit, you can bash around with the halberd when you get mindlocked. If they reopen the old Shard Liberation festival tent called To The Teeth, run and don't walk to get your hands on one. (Oh, and they're still less expensive than the IMO best store-bought QS in the game, the atapwi in Leth.) Fair/Mod/Great Poor/Fair at 65 stones is a better result than anything store-bought in the game other than the Lochaber splat-stick (If only the halberd side was as impressive... A halberd with h/h/f f/f is still nothing to sneeze at, but it's not quite anything special.) and only forged war mattocks get higher impact damage.

So no. You will never have a problem with dealing damage with the partisan. Unless, however, you find that you're dealing too much damage. In which case, switch to short staff or staff sling and all your worries about causing too much damage will quickly be considered flights of fancy.

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Re: RT's on 10/26/2007 01:53 AM CDT
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A partisan with a broad woodgrain-steel blade is a quarter staff pole-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
moderate slice damage
great impact damage

You are certain that the partisan is poorly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the partisan is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.

The partisan is made with metal.
You believe that the partisan weighs around 55 stones. (65 stones from mamas)
You are certain that the partisan is worth exactly 54000 kronars.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.

An ebon-hued cane is a quarter staff melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage
no slice damage
heavy impact damage

You are certain that the cane is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the ebon-hued cane is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.

The ebon-hued cane feels pretty light. (18 stones from mamas)
You are certain that the ebon-hued cane is worth exactly 16 kronars.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.

>compare cane with part
You are certain that the ebon-hued cane is somewhat weaker than the partisan.
You are certain that the ebon-hued cane is more balanced than the partisan.
You are certain that the ebon-hued cane is about as suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength as the partisan.
You are certain that the ebon-hued cane does less puncture damage than the partisan.
You are certain that the ebon-hued cane does a lot less slice damage than the partisan.
You are certain that the ebon-hued cane does a little less impact damage than the partisan.
You think it is likely that the ebon-hued cane weighs a lot less than the partisan.
[Roundtime: 8 seconds]

The partisan is most likely easier and cheaper to get, people don't like to give up their old canes very often. Partisan is also pole range where as the cane is only melee range.

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Re: RT's on 10/26/2007 07:34 AM CDT
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Also from To The Teeth:
a short steel spear is 50512 Dokoras
The slender steel head widens into a trio of side blades before it meets the red oak shaft.

A short steel spear is a pike melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
moderate puncture damage
low slice damage
low impact damage

You are certain that the spear is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

A short steel spear is a short staff melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
poor slice damage
fair impact damage

And you missed the return of To The Teeth earlier this year Amagaim. Still my favorite merchant.

If you want to drool over the items in there check out: http://drfuturepast.com/DRealms/lists/simufest/tth.htm


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Re: RT's on 10/27/2007 11:46 AM CDT
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I'd like to see this merchant again. Or maybe for someone to sell me a partisan. What are they going for now?


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Re: RT's on 10/29/2007 02:42 PM CDT
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Haha! And the partisan is found. Had to pay a pretty price for it, but I hope it'll be worth it. It sucks that it's p/f. I mean really, shouldn't a good quarterstaff be well balanced? I dunno. I guess f/m/g makes up for it.

I know that quarterstaff's generally not considered worth using, but if someone can get the partisan, can it be worth it. At least speculatively waiting for them to make bunches of quarterstaves that don't suck? I just always saw my WM using a quarterstaff. :shrug:


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Re: RT's on 10/29/2007 03:19 PM CDT
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A gnarled wooden cane is a quarter staff melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage
no slice damage
heavy impact damage

You are certain that the cane is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the wooden cane is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.

You think it is likely that the wooden cane weighs around 20 stones.
You are certain that the wooden cane is worth exactly 15 dokoras.

There are ones that don't suck.

And the old Threefold Staff also has good balance. Look for Maitresse in Shard she has a Threefold Staff I give to her for a Auction to be held at a latter date to raise funds for Shard rebuilding. Offer her a good price for it and she may take it tell her Leonned sent you.
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Re: RT's on 10/29/2007 03:20 PM CDT
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The problem with the weapons that generally "aren't worth using" are invariable the actual stats on the weapon. Quarterstaves and halberds don't have the low minimum weights of other weapon classes, so even if the heavier weapons have decent stats, it's hard for people to pick them up at low circles - doubly so because they may be obnoxious to carry around all the time if the low circler doesn't have a weapon strap.

A standard "quarterstaff" is heavy impact and fair balance. With the 6 second RT cap nobody should have trouble learning quarterstaff if they just use a QS from the crossing weapon shop. With a bit more money (8 plat), a 60 stone atapwi is great impact at fair balance. I used an atapwi when I trained QS. I put in the TDPs to get it to minimum balance, it worked fine, and I had over 200 ranks of it.
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Re: RT's on 10/29/2007 04:03 PM CDT
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Ah. Leonned, I'm on my way to Shard this evening. If you see her, tell her to try to hold that for me if she's still got it. I want it bad.


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Re: RT's on 10/31/2007 10:21 AM CDT
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You probably already found out, but the threefold staff is just a generic QS, something like n/n/h f/f. It's special because it's reasonably balanced in 2HB. If you're looking for a QS it's probably not worth the price.



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Re: RT's on 10/31/2007 02:40 PM CDT
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I ended up with a partisan and finding something else I was looking for, so that coupled with the fact that I could never seem to track down Maitresse made me head back northward for training.

I'm glad you mentioned that though, for future reference. Although a reasonably balanced 2HB is pretty droolable too.


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Re: RT's on 11/01/2007 01:42 AM CDT
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This is the short staff I use for training purposes.

An ironwood nightstick with a black sharkskin grip is a short staff melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage
no slice damage
moderate impact damage

You are certain that the nightstick is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the ironwood nightstick is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.

The ironwood nightstick is made with metal.
The ironwood nightstick feels pretty light.
You are certain that the ironwood nightstick is worth exactly 35000 lirums.


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Re: RT's on 11/01/2007 07:58 PM CDT
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Almost forgot. The threefold staff is ugly and can't be altered. :(




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