Where do those applications go? on 12/01/2005 03:39 PM CST
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Dear all:

I realized that for many of you who submit applications, it can feel extremely frustrating to not know what happens to your application once it goes out into the "cosmos" and into our hands. So I wanted to take some time to explain the way things work. Hopefully it will assuage some of the concerns that you have.

We do receive quite a few applications throughout the year (sometimes dozens in a single week). These come in when I've either posted a little plug for a certain position I'm hoping to fill or just when a player feels moved to throw their hat into the ring as a potential candidate for staff.

When I receive an application, the applicant should also receive--usually within 72 hours--an automated response from our system to just let them know that it got through. If you don't get that within a week, please resubmit your application. something must have happened. I'm really sorry for that inconvenience if it happens to you.

Now what happens once I have applications in hand? I and one of my team will do a cursory screening of your application to determine if there is an immediate fit for a position we're hoping to fill. But most of the time, I'll end up setting it aside for when we begin our earnest job searches. Since we tend to hire in batches, it can take months before we might approach you to complete a more involved application for us. And then, if we are really interested, we might invite you up for an interview.

The process, from submission of an application to actual hire, can take well over a year. It's not that we are slow moving, it's more that we can't handle a huge influx of GMs at once, so we space them out. It's also that while you might be good for a particular job, we really need to fill something else at that time.

I am very sorry that we don't have a better system in place to let you know where your application is at the time. This is partly due to the fact that while an application may not be a fit at that time, it's not an outright rejection. But I admit that the system could stand some definite improvement so I'm going to look at ways to better inform you about what we are doing with your application once we have reviewed it properly.

So anyway, don't give up hope. If you really are interested and want to make sure I know, drop me an email. I can't guarantee that I can respond to all that come in, but it helps me to know that you are still interested.

I'll be posting another note soon about what I like to see in an application. The secrets to what makes you more "hire-able." :) And yes, it does involve transferring huge sums of money to a bank in Switzerland. Just kidding.

Thanks for your interest in becoming GMs and thanks for your continued patience and interest in our beloved game.

GameMaster Helena Kaboli
DragonRealms Hiring and Training
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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 04:35 AM CST
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I wanted to add my penneth worth to what Helena has mentioned with specific reference to the Host and Board Monitor teams for which I help hire.

When applications are recieved, they are filtered for criteria that has been stated in the past (no warnings, appropriate availability, time with the game etc). If there is a need and a fit, then an invitation to interview is sent, and all is golden from there. The application together with the interview details are sent up the line, and from there we await Senior Management and Head Office approval.

However, the initial screening process can take several months. It can take longer than several months to get any sort of response if there isn't an immediate need. The only applications I respond to are those who meet the criteria stated in the advertisements.

So often I invite applications stating that the record should be clean, the application asks if you have had any warnings and the answer is no. I do a check, and oh my, there is an AFK scripting warning X months ago. That for example is an automatic disqualification. So be honest when you apply. It saves disappointment.

Applications are kept on file. However, to make sure I have up to date information, when there is a need for Hosts or Board Monitors and I don't have current apps, then I will invite applications.

That does not mean that apps received from 1 Jan of the year are ignored but obviously the fresher the info the more likely its going to be relevant.

As Helena mentioned for the GameMaster team, the Host and Board Monitor teams also cannot manage a big influx of trainees. Host training can be particularly rigorous because they are a coal face entity when troubleshooting player difficulties.

I am currently looking for Hosts, so if you haven't submitted an up to date application this year, and think that you would be a fit, have a clean record, and have a talent for detail, then please do apply.

I am constantly on the lookout for people.

Ari.
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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 04:41 AM CST
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>> So often I invite applications stating that the record should be clean, the application asks if you have had any warnings and the answer is no.

So people who have warnings (or a warning) from quite some time ago need not apply period?

I have one from about three years ago and none since. I've always been honest and specific about the warning as well as a caution I received for profanity. I figured since I've only ever received one and it was so long ago that it was alright. Is this not the case?



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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 06:29 AM CST
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No, my example was worded badly. (Which is probably why everyone is making wishlists when I meant for them to do it in the S'kra folder! ::weep::)

Anyhow, per the example I gave, if you have old warnings, your answer would be "yes, I got a warning/caution several years ago when my lips flipflopped a no no word out."

Or something to that effect.

I am looking for honesty and the impact a warning has from 3 months ago is far greater than a warning from 3 years ago.

In a nutshell be honest, and the warnings will be weighed and evaluated on a case by case basis.
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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 09:36 AM CST
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I think, in light of the fact that each of us are individuals and have unique backgrounds, I just wanted to state that yes, we have expectations and qualifications for our candidates but we aren't going to exclude someone immediately because they may have received a warning some time ago, or they "used to be" a bit of a troublemaker back when they started playing at the age of 17 seven years ago. It's all taken in context. We also aren't going to immediately exclude someone if they don't have certain skills that we know we can train up.

The key here is how much you disclose (as Ariawen noted) and how you explain it to me. In the case of these applications, less is NOT more. But more on that later... :)

Helena
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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 10:56 AM CST
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I've always wondered if there was anyway for a player to get their warning history... I know I've had one.. but I could possibly have up to three of them from the last six or so years, and i honestly can't remember. I try to express that in any apps I've submitted, but not sure if it goes through that way.. course I havn't submitted an app in the last eight months or so.

anyway, is there a way to get a list of warnings recieved on an account?




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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 11:21 AM CST
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Is there a way to SEE any warnings listed on your account?

I'm pretty sure I've never gotten one, but I know I've gotten a caution or two, and I just don't know for certain. My memory isn't that great, overall. :P




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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 11:35 AM CST
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>>I'm pretty sure I've never gotten one, but I know I've gotten a caution or two, and I just don't know for certain. My memory isn't that great, overall. :P

It would be extremely hard to miss from what I have heard. A page of monster bold text.

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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 12:15 PM CST
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<<It would be extremely hard to miss from what I have heard. A page of monster bold text.>>

Yes, but if it happened four years ago and I have a bad memory, or at least a flaky one?




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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 12:26 PM CST
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Write to feedback.



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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 12:46 PM CST
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My tuppence is.. maybe try feedback? They may be able to see what warnings you have on your acct, not sure if Billing could, although I doubt it. Not sure if the GMs here could, although since Helena & Aria deal with this stuff they probably would be able too.

I also would be interested in knowing, I know I got a warning like 6-7 yrs ago for umm, using a 'adult' term for a body part, wasnt a curse but still got a language warning for it. I dont want to be accused/thought of as lying because I'll be the first to admit my memory is garbage so if it didnt happen in the last yr, heck 6 mths ago I probably dont really remember it. Too many head shots in car accidents, le sigh.

I know the application only asks .. 'Have you had any warnings, lockouts, or other policy violation problems within the last 6-12 months? ' but its nice to say.. 'well yeah, I had a language warning 5 yrs ago for a slip of the tongue that made me learn my lesson' so they dont think you are trying to hide anything.

Be interesting to see what answer comes up.
Diane


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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 03:09 PM CST
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yupo feedback can help ya!
apparently I only have the one from my experiment with teaching my moonmage in an out of the way place... overnight precisely 6 years ago, ha ha



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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 03:14 PM CST
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<<No, my example was worded badly. (Which is probably why everyone is making wishlists when I meant for them to do it in the S'kra folder! ::weep::)>>

Ah, so that's what the wishlist was for, do the Rakash and Elves get one too? ;). I'm curious, how long do you hold on to applications til you throw them out? Do you still have them from 1 1/2, 2 or 3 years ago? (GH and/or GM apps)


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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 03:18 PM CST
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<<anyway, is there a way to get a list of warnings recieved on an account?>>

<<Is there a way to SEE any warnings listed on your account?>>

Write to feedback and ask them, they will send you a list of all warnings etc associated with the account (don't forget to tell them the account name!).

Ahalaia




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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/02/2005 03:51 PM CST
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Ahalaia,
I'm not a red-name but the staff has said before to submit every few months to keep the info current. I think the hiring positions have changed hands a couple times in the past couple yrs & sometimes things do get lost from what I've been told or have heard.

If you are interested still ,then fill it out, keep a copy in your email (if you can, I have mine saved as a template so I can easily update it) & mail it every 3-4 months. If the Gms get tired of it they will tell ya soon enough to stop it!! ;-)

And thanks for the info about feedback, I want to write to them just to see what I have on my records. 8-/



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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/03/2005 01:11 AM CST
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I know, I was just curious how long they keep the applications. I applied for GM a few months ago and GH about a year and a half ago, I'd be shocked to have them call me for a GH interview right now. Which led me to wondering just how long do they keep the applications.

Ahalaia
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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/03/2005 04:35 AM CST
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Well, personally I keep all the apps I get. But I don't invite people for an interview on an application made a year ago.

I would advertise and ask for applications, hoping that anyone who looked good when I didn't have a position to offer, will still be interested.


Ari
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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/03/2005 04:39 AM CST
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<<No, my example was worded badly. (Which is probably why everyone is making wishlists when I meant for them to do it in the S'kra folder! ::weep::)>>

>>Ah, so that's what the wishlist was for, do the Rakash and Elves get one too? ;). I'm curious, how long do you hold on to applications til you throw them out? Do you still have them from 1 1/2, 2 or 3 years ago? (GH and/or GM apps)


>>Ahalaia

This is very off-topic and we need to stop this conversation here, but just so we are clear.

I think people are missing the point about the wishlist. I am sort of surprised that this isn't obvious, but we are a new bunch of GameMasters who would like to establish a rapport with the players we are going to be focused on.

So, instead of trying to superimpose what we think the players of S'kra would like, I thought it would be more relevant to hear what they want. But its gotten somewhat out of hand.

Anyhow! enough of this in here. On with the show for hiring!
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Re: Where do those applications go? on 12/11/2005 12:02 PM CST
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Wow, looks like I got a ball rolling here, hehee... I'll be submitting my application then, as soon as I hear something back from feedback to verify I don't have any warnings etc
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Re: Where do those applications go? on 01/11/2006 04:20 PM CST
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DR-ARIAWEN wrote:
So often I invite applications stating that the record should be clean, the application asks if you have had any warnings and the answer is no. I do a check, and oh my, there is an AFK scripting warning X months ago. That for example is an automatic disqualification. So be honest when you apply. It saves disappointment.


Does the length in time since a warning occured matter when you hire? If you had a couple warnings in the past, but they were 3 or 4 years ago, will that count against the application?

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Re: Where do those applications go? on 01/11/2006 04:26 PM CST
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get a new account and wait 6 months :p



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Re: Where do those applications go? on 01/11/2006 10:46 PM CST
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<<Does the length in time since a warning occured matter when you hire? If you had a couple warnings in the past, but they were 3 or 4 years ago, will that count against the application?>>

Basically they say 6-12 months (I forget which), they want the info of old 'no no's' to test your honesty (way I look at it). Better if you say "I got a warning for this that and the other thing 5 years ago' than to say no and have them find out you did.

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