>>>> It's a terrible thing for those of us who're still racing each other to 150.

>>Why? It's not like their race is in any way invalidated because someone who wasn't racing was waiting at their finish line

Everyone in prime is a part of the race. Letting someone copy in from TF is allowing a racer to spend some money to skip having to run on the same track as the rest of us, who've often spent years+ on it.

>>I have prime characters, I'm not part of any kind of race.

Choosing not to run doesn't take you off the course.

>>You choosing to run does not make it a race. Saying that everyone in prime is in a race is asinine. There are tons of people who have played for a decade or even more and not gotten past Circle 50. Just because it's a race to you doesn't mean it's a race for everyone. Choosing not to run most definitely "takes you off the course". There isn't a course for those people.

You're missing the point of my analogy. I'm racing. Letting people spend dollars to pass me easily in that race is something I'm against.

That some of you don't care about the race doesn't invalidate my complaint.

And watch the rudeness. Someone else enjoying the game differently than you do and attempting to explain it shouldn't bring you to insults so quickly.

>>They're not passing you if they're not racing you. They're not playing the same "game", it shouldn't matter to you what they do.

It doesn't matter to me what these people do. I'm speaking about people transfering from TF to prime.

>>This is extremely ironic. Talking about someone enjoying that game differently that is. Wasn't really being rude though. It really is extremely foolish to assume that just because you enjoy some aspect of the game (the race) that everyone else needs to as well.

I've never made the assumption that any of you need to view anything my way. What I'm saying is that I'm racing. People who aren't trying obviously fall behind and don't matter to me. People who pay dollars to transfer from TF and be ahead of me in that race do.

You seem desperate to claim me for a fool.

>>Now I'm confused. These people wouldn't be racing you either. They'd be on a completely different "course".

I worded it backwards because your attitude is flustering me. I meant from TF to prime, putting them on my course after spending a lot fewer years getting there.

>>You certainly did. When I said I'm not part of any race you told me that even if I didn't chose not to run I was still on the course. You were trying to force me into your way of thinking. I'm not trying to claim you for a fool at all. Just pointing out that your views are extremely flawed.

It's an analogy. You're on the course so you're another racer. You're not a very good one because you don't care about it but you still exist.

I'm not trying to force anyone to any way of thinking other than accepting that someone transferring from an enviornment where they had no scripting rules into prime is disruptive to those of us who care about our position in the instance.

My view is that letting people pay money to pass me is frustrating. I don't see the flaw in that.

>>I worded it backwards because your attitude is flustering me. I meant from TF to prime, putting them on my course after spending a lot fewer years getting there.

They're not on your course though. If they were on your course they would be racing you. They're not though, they went on a completely different track. They have nothing to do with you or your race. What they doesn't affect you in the slightest.

>>It's an analogy. You're on the course so you're another racer. You're not a very good one because you don't care about it but you still exist.

Again you're forcing me into your way of thinking. I'm not on your course, I'm not a racer. I have nothing to do with it.

>I'm not trying to force anyone to any way of thinking other than accepting that someone transferring from an enviornment where they had no scripting rules into prime is disruptive to those of us who care about our position in the instance.

How exactly is it disruptive? It might affect your ego, but it really shouldn't because you know you "earned" your ranks in a more difficult way.

>>My view is that letting people pay money to pass me is frustrating. I don't see the flaw in that.

That's a perfectly good and valid point of view. I don't have a problem with that. I don't agree with it but I don't have a problem with it. The views that are flawed is your saying that everyone in prime is in a race. They're not.

>> It's not like new characters ever have a chance of matching characters that have played for 15 years.

Aftermath worked himself up to HLC from virtually nothing in less than 2 years. Things have only gotten easier since then.

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I recently asked a GM about this as I had no idea this thread existed.

I've been speaking with GM Naohhi recently about the possibility of character transfer(s) between Prime and Platinum. I heeded some good advice and upgraded my account to Plat and investigated it. Upon finding I truly enjoyed it, especially given my fond, nostalgic memories of, "The good 'ol days" I decided I was all in.

Now comes the part that makes me grimace. I've spent over $250 (250.93 to be exact) in Quest runs alone with my character(account), in Prime. Many of those quest items have been subsequently altered, sometimes involving additional monetary cost.

For me to try and replace the items alone via quest runs in Plat, it would require scheduling, GM time and an additional cost of $176.50, not to mention the effort, time and possible expense to get them all altered again. This doesn't take into account the time spent leveling the character and whatnot.

I offered this proposal: $200 for the transfer which could include a single character with no currency and no unique (Auction) items. (...even though that makes me a little bitter, since I hold a auction item in Prime while the owner of the same item in Plat evidently quit years ago and hasn't been heard from since.)

I understand the concern for the economy, which is why I say no currency whatsoever. I understand the concern for the rarity of items especially in regard to unique items, which is why I say do not allow them to be transferred either. I also understand how much time and effort is involved for the staff in the involved 12 quest runs or whatnot. Let me save you some time and trouble and give you said money for the quests plus an aside for the effort and let me take my character.

As anyone who plays Plat can tell you, there is no going back if you get hooked into the community. I'd rather not see a character I've cared and developed in Prime for years go to waste or worse.

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>>an additional cost of $176.50

$125 more likely unless something is different math-wise. Quests are 50% off in Plat.

For what it's worth, once you're around for an HE/Guildfest or two, you tend to get pretty well off, alteration-wise. The smaller population also helps round off that by giving you access to auction-level things, which IMO I never really alter because they look pretty unique/awesome by default.

>>I offered this proposal: $200 for the transfer which could include a single character with no currency and no unique (Auction) items. (...even though that makes me a little bitter, since I hold a auction item in Prime while the owner of the same item in Plat evidently quit years ago and hasn't been heard from since.)

Counter-proposal: instead of a transfer, offer an sCoin Platinum-Welcome-Package option. Given the price tag you're asking about, you're on-par with a Queen's Wedding Package anyway. Maybe the price can be shaved down to $100, and you get like five items of altered clothing and an altered T5 weapon of your choosing.

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>>$125 more likely unless something is different math-wise. Quests are 50% off in Plat.

$176.50 is the hard number with the Platinum discount. $250.93 in Prime.

>>For what it's worth, once you're around for an HE/Guildfest or two, you tend to get pretty well off, alteration-wise.

HE is another expense that I've already gone through with this character and received alterations with. The alterations aren't the deal breaker honestly.

>>Counter-proposal: instead of a transfer, offer an sCoin Platinum-Welcome-Package option. Given the price tag you're asking about, you're on-par with a Queen's Wedding Package anyway. Maybe the price can be shaved down to $100, and you get like five items of altered clothing and an altered T5 weapon of your choosing.

That is not a character transfer. I would still have to pay out $176.50 for Quests with a brand new character. A single weapon and five items of fluff do not equate sadly.

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Usually when I observe people PvPing it is a problem with their stat assignment being much less than their opponent, and more often than not their opponent has higher skills than they were expecting. - Kodius

Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time. - Sun Tzu

I'm just going to chime in and say that I'd seriously considering upgrading to Plat if I could copy my main character over there even WITHOUT her money and custom stuff. There would be a lot of "if"s and "maybe"s on actually making the move on my part but I'd still give it a lot of thought if I had the option. I've always wanted to try Plat but don't want to give up my cleric.

>>>>I've always wanted to try Plat but don't want to give up my cleric.

You'll never start getting time in for 5 year portalz with that attitude.

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