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<<If the GMs were just looking for a way to 'get' the Trader, it probably means that the Trader on his various accounts had a long history of mech abuse, harassment, unconsented PvP or any other number of things. It's not like they just flip a coin and say 'Okay, you're locked out.'>>
You missed the part about it being TF?
<<So basically what you're saying is that because they haven't chosen to punish certain instances of mech abuse, all mech abuse is alright?>>
You're being obtuse. It's not a matter of, "They've chosen not to punish certain instances of mech abuse." You're pretending like punishment for the type of mech abuse described here is the rule. It isn't.
<<Huh, so if they don't have enough evidence to charge someone else for murder, that means that suddenly it's fair game to kill anyone you want?>>
It's not a matter of "evidence" at all, so..
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Okay, maybe that's a bit absurd of an example, but my point still stands.>>
..no, it really doesn't.
<<Regardless of anything else, the truth is that some GM saw something about that situation that they felt warranted a punishment.>>
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You don't know the whole story, I don't know it, and probably the GMs don't know it. Any individual case is useless as an example.>>
Those two statements are mutually exclusive. You don't know the whole truth, and thus you're incapable of making a definitive declaration regarding "the truth". For instance, it's hypothetically possible that the true abuse was on the part of "some GM". Since you don't know the whole story, you can't definitively say otherwise.
<<The moral of this story is: If you find a way to get a lot of experience from doing something odd, you're probably cheating. If more people avoided such behaviors, even if they risked not being able to do something legal, this game might end up being better all around.>>
I guarantee you there are at least 10 people sitting in midton and/or droughtmans this instant. Every single one of them is doing something odd and it is yielding a lot of experience. Not a single one of them will ever be punished.
You're being obtuse. It's not a matter of, "They've chosen not to punish certain instances of mech abuse." You're pretending like punishment for the type of mech abuse described here is the rule. It isn't.
<<Huh, so if they don't have enough evidence to charge someone else for murder, that means that suddenly it's fair game to kill anyone you want?>>
It's not a matter of "evidence" at all, so..
<<
Okay, maybe that's a bit absurd of an example, but my point still stands.>>
..no, it really doesn't.
<<Regardless of anything else, the truth is that some GM saw something about that situation that they felt warranted a punishment.>>
<<
You don't know the whole story, I don't know it, and probably the GMs don't know it. Any individual case is useless as an example.>>
Those two statements are mutually exclusive. You don't know the whole truth, and thus you're incapable of making a definitive declaration regarding "the truth". For instance, it's hypothetically possible that the true abuse was on the part of "some GM". Since you don't know the whole story, you can't definitively say otherwise.
<<The moral of this story is: If you find a way to get a lot of experience from doing something odd, you're probably cheating. If more people avoided such behaviors, even if they risked not being able to do something legal, this game might end up being better all around.>>
I guarantee you there are at least 10 people sitting in midton and/or droughtmans this instant. Every single one of them is doing something odd and it is yielding a lot of experience. Not a single one of them will ever be punished.
Okay, lets examine the examples you gave.
>>1. Groups of moonmages getting together to mass locate and gain "incredible amounts of experience" from an ability that wasn't really even supposed to teach much of anything at all, but just happened to do so when you stacked tons of locates on top of eachother
So they used the spell to gain experience in the manner it was meant, but it the volume wasn't anticipated. Okay, that's clever, but not wrong.
>>2. Moonmages gaining "incredible amounts of experience" in stealth skills to levels that normally cannot be learned outside of combat (and MUCH faster than ANYONE can earn them in combat, for that matter).
No idea what you're talking about, unless you're talking about hiding from shadowlings. If so, you can hide from a bunch of NPC type things for experience. Discovered a flaw in the system, but it was not obviously a flaw.
>>3. Using an alt to lop off another alts limbs to gain incredible amounts of experience from a system that's supposed to give experience based on healing. This is no more "healing" than that was "selling", yet no one has ever been reprimanded for this in TF.
... According to policy, it is abuse. Don't know if that was instituted because of this or not. If it predates this effect... someone messed up.
>>4. Spamming 4th tier TM spells on empath guardian spirits to gain incredible amounts of experience from spells that are only supposed to be used in combat.
Don't know why this wasn't punished, but probably should have been in my opinion.
>>5. Selling and reselling to your alt.
I don't see how you can justify this as anything but abusing a loophole. Seriously, its like the trick with rerolling a character and handing off your coins, only this time with experience.
Some of these may have been left unpunished because of the widespread nature of them.
Magic's Death Caraamon M.,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
>>1. Groups of moonmages getting together to mass locate and gain "incredible amounts of experience" from an ability that wasn't really even supposed to teach much of anything at all, but just happened to do so when you stacked tons of locates on top of eachother
So they used the spell to gain experience in the manner it was meant, but it the volume wasn't anticipated. Okay, that's clever, but not wrong.
>>2. Moonmages gaining "incredible amounts of experience" in stealth skills to levels that normally cannot be learned outside of combat (and MUCH faster than ANYONE can earn them in combat, for that matter).
No idea what you're talking about, unless you're talking about hiding from shadowlings. If so, you can hide from a bunch of NPC type things for experience. Discovered a flaw in the system, but it was not obviously a flaw.
>>3. Using an alt to lop off another alts limbs to gain incredible amounts of experience from a system that's supposed to give experience based on healing. This is no more "healing" than that was "selling", yet no one has ever been reprimanded for this in TF.
... According to policy, it is abuse. Don't know if that was instituted because of this or not. If it predates this effect... someone messed up.
>>4. Spamming 4th tier TM spells on empath guardian spirits to gain incredible amounts of experience from spells that are only supposed to be used in combat.
Don't know why this wasn't punished, but probably should have been in my opinion.
>>5. Selling and reselling to your alt.
I don't see how you can justify this as anything but abusing a loophole. Seriously, its like the trick with rerolling a character and handing off your coins, only this time with experience.
Some of these may have been left unpunished because of the widespread nature of them.
Magic's Death Caraamon M.,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
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Please feel free to continue it in the Equine Cemetery.
Solomon
What's going on?
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