I've been meaning to post about this just haven't got around to it. I also like dampen as a function but it needs to be a bigger reduction:(

That sounds very impressive, but light armor has very little hindrance to begin with so dampen may gain you a 3 or 4 percent of your ranks back? How effective is it with brig and plate? I only need help with stealth hindrance when training brig and plate.

Dampen does make a nice difference if you're on the edge with hiding from something and want to keep your armor on and it does a good job (once you can cap it at least) of bringing chain armor down to light armor's stealth hindrance levels.

However once you don't "need" it anymore... well, just that, you never need to use it again for that critter.

And for PvP vs watch and the way perception is vs stealth, it's not going to make much of a dent in all of that.

Also:

>Even if you didn't find it worthwhile in combat, you could at least use it for stealing runs

I don't think anyone steals with their armor on so dampen would be completely unnecessary in that situation.

>>hopefully no one is actually wearing armor or a shield when stealing

>steal nap on cart
Moving stealthily, you manage to grab a vial of naphtha right from underneath a sales clerk's very nose.
You don't feel you learned anything useful from this trivial theft.

>inv armor
All of your armor:

some thick leathers


If your light armor no longer has any stealth hindrance, why bother taking it off to steal? Just a minor perk at the high end I suppose, but it's what I was referring to. Between that and making chain, brig, and shield a bit easier with stealth, I think it has enough functionality to at least be useful for some.


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>>That's, uh, great for people who would rather run another khri than >rem leath >stow? Most of us can't. It's a tier two khri with actual benefits for only the very high end?

Ugh, I give up.

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Hey, I was amazed to learn that if your armor has 0 hinderance you don't need to take it off to steal.

Can you replicate that with a full suit of armor?

And while that's a cool party trick, most (everyone) is simply accustomed to stripping off, so the perceived benefit isn't that high. That said, having no stealth hinderance is nifty.

<<Also keep in mind that there might someday be situations where you want to be wearing armor while sneaking around stealing.>>

Like critter stealing while in combat.

Yamcer

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I'd love for kertig-level LC to be workable a bit better with stealth. Just because no-one is trying it, doesn't mean it's not a great option.

>kertig-level

Material has no influence on stealth hindrance.

>LC to be workable a bit better with stealth.

Then use dampen because then its just like you're wearing Light Armor, stealth hindrance wise.

>no-one is trying it

Not even close to true.

This thread actually makes me WANT to make the leap into Chain Armor. I used to train all armor types simultaneously, with great success. I woke up after 3.0, and it was no longer feasible... but it seems that this may allow me to get that additional defense without the inability to hide in combat. (That was the big crippler to my training style when I woke up.) Of course, now I have a whole bunch of questions that are inappropriate for this particular thread, but I'm just saying: there's a solid niche for it. In addition to being part of a Skulk. The only relevant question would be if Brigandine armor would be feasible while using Dampen. I get the impression that it would really only be likely to be enough of a bonus to Chain?

In short: More numbers please dear Rini? For all the armor types please please please?

Much gratitude for all your work, as always!

Ha, yup, that's exactly what I'm doing now! I was concerned I wouldn't have the full array of resources to test it out with, but those concerns were unjustified!rank

Now I'm finding no benefit under the following conditions:
130 Utility / 81 Augmentation / 163 Inner Magic / 75 chain.
Khri Dampen, Focus, Darken up. Kneeled and Delayed.

But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently lightly (4/14) hindered and your stealth is very (9/14) hindered.

That's the appraisal pre and post khri.

That's with a full lumium chain setup, aside from a light armor buckler. (Removing it made the following impact):
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently lightly (4/14) hindered and your stealth is rather (8/14) hindered.
Once again, that's pre and post khri appraisal.

In order to benefit, what trained skills are likely to have the greatest impact? I'm already training chain now, but obviously that's going to be incredibly slow going. Shouldn't I be seeing at least SOME difference despite low ranks? Attempts to hide were completely unsuccessful, as I'm sure you can imagine!

Thanks for your time, any and all responders!

PRESENTING...
Before! - But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently lightly (4/14) hindered and your stealth is very (9/14) hindered.

After! - But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently lightly (4/14) hindered and your stealth is moderately (7/14) hindered.

That's much more pleasant, and absolutely in line with what my expecations would be, considering my ranks. Thanks for such quick response!

It can get trained off with ranks. The percentage of reduction depending on number of ranks in armor class, guild, and armor type. So, what I'm expecting in the longterm is that a Khri Dampen dedicated thief could be chain armor feasible, but brigandine and plate really wouldn't be still. And I couldn't really see that anyways, except for interesting disguise purposes.

<<Even hitting zero stealth hindrance in chain would make it arguably not worth using as a thief.>>

This sounds like a challenge! Besides, who wants to just sit locked up in one armor type the entire time they're in combat? And think of all the free TDPs! Perhaps this will continue to work only while I'm still low, but for now I see this as an opportunity to expand beyond the concrete niche of the leather-clad thief. And, as someone who likes to moonlight as Barbarian, I could be a great deal more convincing if I'm sporting more than light armor.

Options, my friend, it's a wonderful thing!

Although, if DAMPEN could also reduce maneuvering hindrance, that would make it a permanent addition for me and probably open up doors to a lot of others who share my mindset.