Hi GMs,

It looks like some skills may be learning based on skill ranks AFTER buffs. Can anyone double check this?


Thanks.

>> Which skills/activities?

>> Chances are great that many activities train based on buffed ranks rather than raw ranks - Changing that wasn't a direct goal of the Skills changes. However, combat and magic should both be training based on raw ranks, which was an outcome of the rebalancing during the Magic and Combat stuff.

I just hopped on test and tested both TM and Evasion. Evasion learning appears to be at least half as slow with an evasion buff on. TM appears to be unaffected.

For TM, I attacked once, then waited 2 minutes for drain from 1/32 to 0/32. Seems ok.

TM 69 vs. Beisswurm
Acid Splash (min prep, targeted, 3 second wait)
1st cast 1.33%
2nd cast 1.01%

Acid Splash with Ivory mask(15 mana) (min prep, targeted, 3 second wait)
1st cast 0.84%
2nd cast 1%
3rd cast 1.34%
4th cast 1.17%
5th cast 1.17


For Evasion, I faced 1 fire sprite only, let her attack ONCE, and then retreated away. I then waited 2 minutes to drain from 1/32 to 0/32. It definitely appears to be penalizing evasion exp.

Evasion (86) on Fire Sprite:
1st Evasion .47% (shield block)
2nd Evasion .65% (full dodge)
3rd Evasion .71% (shield block)
4th Evasion .65% (full dodge)

Evasion (86) on Fire Sprite with Philo's Preservation (15 mana)
1st Evasion .09% (shield block)
2nd Evasion .32% (full dodge)
3rd Evasion .13% (full dodge)
4th Evasion .32% (full dodge)

I could not test with shield/parry because I don't have any buff spells of that type.

Socharis, would you please look at the thread called "Evasion learning" in the combat forum?

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I know as of two days ago shield was afflicted but that may have been fixed.

this happens with any defense when your buff makes you too over powering to get effective training, sure the exp is still based against your base ranks... but you're still too hard to hit to really learn.

this is not a 3.0 issue, its something ive had to deal with as a thief with khri's for several years now

every critter ive ever hunted since ive had khris, ive had to go in a cycle to maintain optimal learning efficiency where when I move up a critter tier I use every khri I can, then I have to start to drop them off one by one, then I have to go with none, then I have to start fooling around with stances, then if you really want to extend the tier your on, more hindering armor or encumbrence.

is it possible this is what is also affecting you?

>>The issue is that this shouldnt be an issue. It was stated that they were going to make it so that buffed or hindered you get exp from your actual base ranks. Right now though it is currently taking into account any buffs or debilitations into how much you learn. Which is a no no. Personally I can still learn every skill quite well in snowbeasts but if I put up a Seers Sense then I immediately stop learning evasion. And while every other skill will continue to learn like normal evasion will not move until I release the spell. At that point it will begin learning again. This should not be how buffs work otherwise it negates the point of using them to help train.


This. The idea that buffing myself with my guild abilities hurts my ability to train seems archaic. I think DR has lots of baggage from earlier design philosophies which it has been thankfully shaking off, and this seems like a remnant of it.

>> Yep, agreed. I found another issue that was causing buffs to reduce experience, that should be squashed as of a couple days ago

NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! We aren't crazy! HUUUZZAAAH.

>>I've been wondering, and this is as good an example to ask on as any: When y'all post that these things are squashed, are they getting squashed over in Plat, too?

I think we get a mass update every day or so, depending on how big/many there are. So we don't get it the same moment test does, but at the end of the day so-and-so GM streams all the updates into Plat.

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