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Yesterday, or the day before, I was in my thief character. He is a member of an organization called Necrop, which objective is to hunt down necromancers. My character was joking around with the leader and such, and they got mad at eachother. Out of rage my character says he was going to join the side of the Necromancers to hunt him down. The man, of course, began saying "He speaks the words of a trator!" and casted a spell upon me. Being that I am 6 circles below him, I fall dying. He begins to whisper to me that he didn't mean it and began to call for an empath, I didn't see this happen. He takes me to the Cleric's guild, my character was unconcious, and he wakes up as he was being tended, and died. Once I get healed and all, I depart and come back. I go to where I died, get my things, and leave. After a while my character meets with his sister and begins to work on some lockpicking. Since he is among friends, he goes to pull down his hood, then it hit me, MY CLOAK WAS GONE! I put everything in my backpack and run out to the Cleric's guild. I talk to them and they say they do not know who took it, but that the man who killed me was there when my grave exploded, and that he might have taken it. I talked to him today, telling him about it and everything, and he says he doesn't have it but was going to replace it. Now I say "How is he going to replace it, if I got that from a friend who got it from a fair." So the thing is, he probably won't be able to replace it, but since he was the one responsible for me losing it, I should have concent to killing him, the thing is, since I can, can the friend that got me the cloak kill him for me if I explain what happened?
Also, from what I was able to understand about the post, you don't know for a fact that the guy did indeed take it. Is it possible that you just missed it when you were gathering your things up, and someone had just taken it by the time you realized it was missing? It might not have been who you think it was, is all I'm saying. The cleric's guild can be a very busy, hectic place and someone picking up a cloak would be easy to miss.
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So you and he had a fight, which you lost and ended up dead. Ok. Got that. Then your cloak comes up missing and that's his fault because you lost the fight? This guy who tried to find you an empath, got you to the cleric's guild and did everything he could to get you help when you were unconscious and dying? It's his fault you lost your cloak?
Sorry, it sounds like a pretty straighfoward CvC thing to me. You two fought. You lost. End of any consent issues, I think. You did not witness him take your cloak and don't have anyone who can say for a fact that he did, so you can't hold him responsible for it. As I see it, he's not responsible for replacing the cloak, although it's a darn nice thing for him to offer.
What cloak was it anyway? Who knows, maybe I have one in my vault. Gods know I have a couple vaultsful of fest clothing.
An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears that this is true.
Sorry, it sounds like a pretty straighfoward CvC thing to me. You two fought. You lost. End of any consent issues, I think. You did not witness him take your cloak and don't have anyone who can say for a fact that he did, so you can't hold him responsible for it. As I see it, he's not responsible for replacing the cloak, although it's a darn nice thing for him to offer.
What cloak was it anyway? Who knows, maybe I have one in my vault. Gods know I have a couple vaultsful of fest clothing.
An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears that this is true.
This is kind of a silly one:
"Yesterday, or the day before, I was in my thief character. He is a member of an organization called Necrop, which objective is to hunt down necromancers. My character was joking around with the leader and such, and they got mad at eachother. Out of rage my character says he was going to join the side of the Necromancers to hunt him down. "
Right here you gave the man consent- you said you were going to hunt him down- should he have waited till you did it?
"The man, of course, began saying "He speaks the words of a trator!" and casted a spell upon me. Being that I am 6 circles below him, I fall dying. He begins to whisper to me that he didn't mean it and began to call for an empath, I didn't see this happen. He takes me to the Cleric's guild, my character was unconcious, and he wakes up as he was being tended, and died.
So he tries to get you healed and gets you to the Clerics guild. Even whispers that he didn't mean for to happen. Pretty damning evidence.
"Once I get healed and all, I depart and come back. I go to where I died, get my things, and leave. "...." I talk to them and they say they do not know who took it, but that the man who killed me was there when my grave exploded, and that he might have takenc"
I cut and pasted here- because it appears that your grave popped before you got to it. So anyone could have taken the cloak. That is the danger of not getting to your grave in time- how long did it take- or was it a glyph? Either way the person who took it is to blame. Not the person who killed you.
"but since he was the one responsible for me losing it, I should have concent to killing him, the thing is, since I can, can the friend that got me the cloak kill him for me if I explain what happened? "
Well your friend wouldn't have consent, but the person who killed you might be willing to play along. I am not sure what your objective here is. If you just want to kill the person who killed you because your a pissed off, well you don't have consent and neither does your friend. If you want to roleplay you can do it in either case. If you want to recover your cloak, well you are probably out of luck, but since the person who killed you offered to replace it, I would consider being nice to him and taking him up on it and see what happens. So what do you really want?
Flavius
"Yesterday, or the day before, I was in my thief character. He is a member of an organization called Necrop, which objective is to hunt down necromancers. My character was joking around with the leader and such, and they got mad at eachother. Out of rage my character says he was going to join the side of the Necromancers to hunt him down. "
Right here you gave the man consent- you said you were going to hunt him down- should he have waited till you did it?
"The man, of course, began saying "He speaks the words of a trator!" and casted a spell upon me. Being that I am 6 circles below him, I fall dying. He begins to whisper to me that he didn't mean it and began to call for an empath, I didn't see this happen. He takes me to the Cleric's guild, my character was unconcious, and he wakes up as he was being tended, and died.
So he tries to get you healed and gets you to the Clerics guild. Even whispers that he didn't mean for to happen. Pretty damning evidence.
"Once I get healed and all, I depart and come back. I go to where I died, get my things, and leave. "...." I talk to them and they say they do not know who took it, but that the man who killed me was there when my grave exploded, and that he might have takenc"
I cut and pasted here- because it appears that your grave popped before you got to it. So anyone could have taken the cloak. That is the danger of not getting to your grave in time- how long did it take- or was it a glyph? Either way the person who took it is to blame. Not the person who killed you.
"but since he was the one responsible for me losing it, I should have concent to killing him, the thing is, since I can, can the friend that got me the cloak kill him for me if I explain what happened? "
Well your friend wouldn't have consent, but the person who killed you might be willing to play along. I am not sure what your objective here is. If you just want to kill the person who killed you because your a pissed off, well you don't have consent and neither does your friend. If you want to roleplay you can do it in either case. If you want to recover your cloak, well you are probably out of luck, but since the person who killed you offered to replace it, I would consider being nice to him and taking him up on it and see what happens. So what do you really want?
Flavius
What annoys me more than anything else is the one thing noone even mentions here: all the talk about is this consent or that consent, rather than just sticking to reacting to our character's environment (isn't that called roleplay?).
Yet another glaring example of why I have said many times (and will KEEP saying, so get used to it): the consent policy is useless and crushes more roleplay than it will will ever protect. Get rid of it, and instead of just giving lip service to the harassment and HMC policies, actually enforce them, let them do the intended job.
How can we truly roleplay when we are constantly overriding our character's "natural" reactions for fear of a consent violation?
If we are worried about scaring off newbies, then just make it such that as long as they have the Novice title and the theft protection that goes with it (except for when the theft protection is lost due to excess coin) they are also immune to PvP. They can't be attacked, but they also can't attack (just as cartain other verbs are blocked out temporarily). Only possible problem is there would have to be a time limit of sorts attached for those snert characters who are rolled up specifically for this sort of thing and never circled or even trained, potentially keeping the Novice title for a long time.
~~~Krin
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
"Goblins ... aisle 6, Mycthengelde ... hunt smart, hunt S-Mart!"
"You whine like a mule ... you are still alive!"
"Call me Snake."
Yet another glaring example of why I have said many times (and will KEEP saying, so get used to it): the consent policy is useless and crushes more roleplay than it will will ever protect. Get rid of it, and instead of just giving lip service to the harassment and HMC policies, actually enforce them, let them do the intended job.
How can we truly roleplay when we are constantly overriding our character's "natural" reactions for fear of a consent violation?
If we are worried about scaring off newbies, then just make it such that as long as they have the Novice title and the theft protection that goes with it (except for when the theft protection is lost due to excess coin) they are also immune to PvP. They can't be attacked, but they also can't attack (just as cartain other verbs are blocked out temporarily). Only possible problem is there would have to be a time limit of sorts attached for those snert characters who are rolled up specifically for this sort of thing and never circled or even trained, potentially keeping the Novice title for a long time.
~~~Krin
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
"Goblins ... aisle 6, Mycthengelde ... hunt smart, hunt S-Mart!"
"You whine like a mule ... you are still alive!"
"Call me Snake."
<<What annoys me more than anything else is the one thing noone even mentions here: all the talk about is this consent or that consent, rather than just sticking to reacting to our character's environment (isn't that called roleplay?).>>
Probably because this is the grave robbing policy folder and the question raised by the original poster was specifically about consent. Hard to fathom a thread that's actually stayed on track and appropriate to its setting but I'm not sure it's cause for annoyance.
Gizella
Probably because this is the grave robbing policy folder and the question raised by the original poster was specifically about consent. Hard to fathom a thread that's actually stayed on track and appropriate to its setting but I'm not sure it's cause for annoyance.
Gizella
