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I just thought I'd add a little bit of my experiences.
In the span of less than a month, I have been killed 4 times.
1) "Hey lets play catch!" followed by a magnetic ballista bolt from someone I can't recall ever having spoken to.
2&3) Random deaths because certain people like to play marauders.
4) Killed for a trivial reason by someone who's been dogging me for weeks.
Now as I see it, I can either A) fight back, or B) change my PvP stance.
I chose B because I do not enjoy PvP and they do. The best possible situation that could come out of A is that I have to waste my time doing something I don't enjoy in order to provide them with something they enjoy, and likely nothing changes.
I'd much rather just ignore them, and so I will. Some people are just not worth my time.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi, Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
>>So I have to ask. If you don't enjoy PvP, why go open?
I can't speak for Caraamon or anyone else, but I generally don't seek out PvP myself and I can understand where he is coming from to a degree. That being said, as someone who considers themselves RP Heavy, PvP Open is the only option that makes sense. The harassment policy is always in place regardless of stance, so anything short of that is something I'd consider part of the environment, whether the other person is choosing to RP or not. As such, I choose to respond to it IG and IC at all times, ergo my characters are all PvP Open. Conflict breeds good stories--even (especially?) if you're on the losing side--and good stories are essentially the point of this game IMHO.
That's just my two cents, for whatever it may be worth.
~player of Gulphphunger
I can't speak for Caraamon or anyone else, but I generally don't seek out PvP myself and I can understand where he is coming from to a degree. That being said, as someone who considers themselves RP Heavy, PvP Open is the only option that makes sense. The harassment policy is always in place regardless of stance, so anything short of that is something I'd consider part of the environment, whether the other person is choosing to RP or not. As such, I choose to respond to it IG and IC at all times, ergo my characters are all PvP Open. Conflict breeds good stories--even (especially?) if you're on the losing side--and good stories are essentially the point of this game IMHO.
That's just my two cents, for whatever it may be worth.
~player of Gulphphunger
>~player of Gulphphunger
I like your 2 cents. I wish everyone felt that way. It's just a game, a death is not the end of the world. Even 3 deaths in a span of 10 minutes to people with combats 800 ranks higher just because of your characters last name after not having interacted with any of the people killing you for 4 months, isn't the end of the world. In fact, it's amazing. But I <3 pvp so...
I like your 2 cents. I wish everyone felt that way. It's just a game, a death is not the end of the world. Even 3 deaths in a span of 10 minutes to people with combats 800 ranks higher just because of your characters last name after not having interacted with any of the people killing you for 4 months, isn't the end of the world. In fact, it's amazing. But I <3 pvp so...
>That being said, as someone who considers themselves RP Heavy, PvP Open is the only option that makes sense.
You can say that all you want, but it does not make it true.
The problem with PvP open is that the only response to people randomly killing you is (if you can) to reward them by playing their game. Any attempt to "punish" them is actually a reward, and just ignoring them results in more death.
Now if you are advocating truely free response as well, then I'd be happy to drum up a nice lynch mob and lock certain people away in dungeons for the next couple of real life years, the way a real medieval society with no true death would deal with things. But this is a game, so I can't.
>It's just a game, a death is not the end of the world.
Translation: Death doesn't bother me, so I shouldn't bother anyone else.
Let me ask you this: Would you like to have the old Zoha crits back? Because that's about how it affects me. Pointless, meaningless death, with the added annoyance of knowing someone else is enjoying your situation.
Maybe I'll try switching back after the new combat rewrites are in and PvP isn't so severely skewed towards certain types of fighting (I hope), but until then, as many times as people repeat RP Heavy PvP Open, they are still wrong.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi, Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
You can say that all you want, but it does not make it true.
The problem with PvP open is that the only response to people randomly killing you is (if you can) to reward them by playing their game. Any attempt to "punish" them is actually a reward, and just ignoring them results in more death.
Now if you are advocating truely free response as well, then I'd be happy to drum up a nice lynch mob and lock certain people away in dungeons for the next couple of real life years, the way a real medieval society with no true death would deal with things. But this is a game, so I can't.
>It's just a game, a death is not the end of the world.
Translation: Death doesn't bother me, so I shouldn't bother anyone else.
Let me ask you this: Would you like to have the old Zoha crits back? Because that's about how it affects me. Pointless, meaningless death, with the added annoyance of knowing someone else is enjoying your situation.
Maybe I'll try switching back after the new combat rewrites are in and PvP isn't so severely skewed towards certain types of fighting (I hope), but until then, as many times as people repeat RP Heavy PvP Open, they are still wrong.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi, Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
>>Maybe I'll try switching back after the new combat rewrites are in and PvP isn't so severely skewed towards certain types of fighting (I hope), but until then, as many times as people repeat RP Heavy PvP Open, they are still wrong.
Sounds like: I lost so I don't like being Open but if I win then it's ok.
Many people (even weak Empaths) are PvP Open and do just fine, so don't try to make it seem like it's a bad setting. If you're having issues then maybe it isn't for you. However, a lot of us like it and feel we have plenty of options.
So my advice is to switch to Closed or Guarded if you can't deal with it. Otherwise, treat a random attack (even if you lose!!!) as a event to build upon your character's RP.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
Sounds like: I lost so I don't like being Open but if I win then it's ok.
Many people (even weak Empaths) are PvP Open and do just fine, so don't try to make it seem like it's a bad setting. If you're having issues then maybe it isn't for you. However, a lot of us like it and feel we have plenty of options.
So my advice is to switch to Closed or Guarded if you can't deal with it. Otherwise, treat a random attack (even if you lose!!!) as a event to build upon your character's RP.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
>Sounds like: I lost so I don't like being Open but if I win then it's ok.
Nice way to rephrase and totally belittle my point at the same time.
>Many people (even weak Empaths) are PvP Open and do just fine, so don't try to make it seem like it's a bad setting. If you're having issues then maybe it isn't for you. However, a lot of us like it and feel we have plenty of options.
Sounds like: I enjoy fighting, and everyone who doesn't is a wimp or a crybaby.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi, Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
Nice way to rephrase and totally belittle my point at the same time.
>Many people (even weak Empaths) are PvP Open and do just fine, so don't try to make it seem like it's a bad setting. If you're having issues then maybe it isn't for you. However, a lot of us like it and feel we have plenty of options.
Sounds like: I enjoy fighting, and everyone who doesn't is a wimp or a crybaby.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi, Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
IMO, pvp guarded exists for this very reason. If you don't like being engaged in pvp randomly but still want people to know you're game for pvp, choose it.
There's no reason to go open unless you are into that kind of thing. It sounds like you aren't, so stay guarded and be done with it.
-Mr. Glemm
There's no reason to go open unless you are into that kind of thing. It sounds like you aren't, so stay guarded and be done with it.
-Mr. Glemm
>Did you throw a hammer at me because you thought you'd win?
No, I thought you were setting up to attack me again and got irritated.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi, Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
No, I thought you were setting up to attack me again and got irritated.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi, Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
Just to provide a contrarion viewpoint: I went PvP open at circle 20 (iirc) and remains so now at circle 50. During that time I've been randomly owned all of twice - once for no particular reason other than the person in question was bored, which was pretty funny nonetheless, and the other time due to some smack talk I was gwething, which resulted in an entirely rewarding and enjoyable RP experience.
Having a stiff upper lip and taking your lumps is a part of becoming accepted in any community I've been a part of that was WORTH being a part of. I recognize that given certain temperaments around here this is unlikely to be a popular opinion, but I promise that if you take your smackdowns with good nature and a laugh, people will respect you a lot more and the game will be a lot more fun. This is not to say you will not get owned again later (I would fully expect to get destroyed over this post by certain people, except none of them would bring the boards IG).
Finally, being in an RP game with an RP heavy stance indicates a willingness to accept that the game will never be fair to you, will not go the way you want most of the time, and in general will strive to behave as much like a real world as possible. People die for terrible reasons all the time IRL. If you want to play DR in any other way, that's fine, but please don't expect accolades for it.
~ Trem
I'm sharpening my halo into forest thorns // I'm sanctifying pages in the protocols of war.
Having a stiff upper lip and taking your lumps is a part of becoming accepted in any community I've been a part of that was WORTH being a part of. I recognize that given certain temperaments around here this is unlikely to be a popular opinion, but I promise that if you take your smackdowns with good nature and a laugh, people will respect you a lot more and the game will be a lot more fun. This is not to say you will not get owned again later (I would fully expect to get destroyed over this post by certain people, except none of them would bring the boards IG).
Finally, being in an RP game with an RP heavy stance indicates a willingness to accept that the game will never be fair to you, will not go the way you want most of the time, and in general will strive to behave as much like a real world as possible. People die for terrible reasons all the time IRL. If you want to play DR in any other way, that's fine, but please don't expect accolades for it.
~ Trem
I'm sharpening my halo into forest thorns // I'm sanctifying pages in the protocols of war.
I really like the profile system. Both my "main" charcters are set to open (RP medium) so that if my interaction with another player develops into "conflict" they know up front I am willing to play out the result. So far this stance has led to some decent interactions and only one violent conflict (my charcter died if that matters).
That said, I think most people who are PvP open and post a complaint about having their text killed are really taking issue with basic gaming ettiquite. This is a text game, a.k.a. a snazzy chatroom, so when another player kills you without prior interaction or any follow up, I can understand the frustration. But as other posters have stated (in this thread and others), most of these seemingly random deaths do have some precursor.
Ultimately I think a lot of players need to take a step back and recognize that this game centers around a fantasy you can control to a significant degree, and to let the game and the other players lead you to some places you may not have gone otherwise.
That said, I think most people who are PvP open and post a complaint about having their text killed are really taking issue with basic gaming ettiquite. This is a text game, a.k.a. a snazzy chatroom, so when another player kills you without prior interaction or any follow up, I can understand the frustration. But as other posters have stated (in this thread and others), most of these seemingly random deaths do have some precursor.
Ultimately I think a lot of players need to take a step back and recognize that this game centers around a fantasy you can control to a significant degree, and to let the game and the other players lead you to some places you may not have gone otherwise.
Caraamon,
You set your character's default speech emote pattern to loudly. This possibly annoy's people enough that they want to kill your character. If you are going to roleplay annoying then take your licking like a champ.
Caraamon says loudly, "Hi"
Crusader Taghz
DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.
You set your character's default speech emote pattern to loudly. This possibly annoy's people enough that they want to kill your character. If you are going to roleplay annoying then take your licking like a champ.
Caraamon says loudly, "Hi"
Crusader Taghz
DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.
"I really like the profile system. Both my "main" charcters are set to open (RP medium) so that if my interaction with another player develops into "conflict" they know up front I am willing to play out the result. "
Why only your main characters? If you the player are open for conflict, how come some of your characters are and some are not?
>Why only your main characters? If you the player are open for conflict, how come some of your characters are and some are not?
Sometimes I want to try out/play another class for a month or two and will activate an extra slot on my account and reactivate some random character. I play around with another class for a couple hours of my "game time" and want to be left alone as I mess around. So I set the profile to PvP closed and RP none. That way if I do end up around other players, and they choose to check the profile system, they might decide to not interact with me at all; score! But like in the past (pre-profile), if someone chose to talk to me while I was playing one of these short-term characters I would be polite but likely to not "engage" them.
Just play this game how you want. I really believe that how you "present" or play your character around other gamers dictates most interactions.
Sometimes I want to try out/play another class for a month or two and will activate an extra slot on my account and reactivate some random character. I play around with another class for a couple hours of my "game time" and want to be left alone as I mess around. So I set the profile to PvP closed and RP none. That way if I do end up around other players, and they choose to check the profile system, they might decide to not interact with me at all; score! But like in the past (pre-profile), if someone chose to talk to me while I was playing one of these short-term characters I would be polite but likely to not "engage" them.
Just play this game how you want. I really believe that how you "present" or play your character around other gamers dictates most interactions.
Just to chime in on the thought of why some and not others, my trader is one I won't to go open with. This is due to a certain guy that will take it as his personal chance to gank her at the tables just because he can. No RP, no IC reason behind it. He could so he would, and it's a situation in which I choose not to give him that open ticket. All the ensuing RP opportunities in the world won't make that one worth it. Sad but true.
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Oleveir says, "One must be careful around the angry ODS women."
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Oleveir says, "One must be careful around the angry ODS women."
>>This is due to a certain guy that will take it as his personal chance to gank her at the tables just because he can. No RP, no IC reason behind it. He could so he would, and it's a situation in which I choose not to give him that open ticket. All the ensuing RP opportunities in the world won't make that one worth it. Sad but true.<<
Are you saying that you're willing to report people on your trader?
At the end of the day that's what the Open/guarded distinction boils down to.
- Mazrian
The Flying Company
The Public Stat Data Project
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AkqoUyrmvlKNdGlpeHZacEdldi1Ob2h3M1I5TXpCZVE&hl=en
Are you saying that you're willing to report people on your trader?
At the end of the day that's what the Open/guarded distinction boils down to.
- Mazrian
The Flying Company
The Public Stat Data Project
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AkqoUyrmvlKNdGlpeHZacEdldi1Ob2h3M1I5TXpCZVE&hl=en
>>Are you saying that you're willing to report people on your trader?
>>At the end of the day that's what the Open/guarded distinction boils down to.
That's your definition, not mine. I never reported before profiles and I haven't changed my stance on that. I also don't feel it's mandatory to set all my characters open to satisfy some arbitrary standard. If her closed setting makes a policy player hesitate, works for me. That is what it really boils down to.
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Oleveir says, "One must be careful around the angry ODS women."
>>At the end of the day that's what the Open/guarded distinction boils down to.
That's your definition, not mine. I never reported before profiles and I haven't changed my stance on that. I also don't feel it's mandatory to set all my characters open to satisfy some arbitrary standard. If her closed setting makes a policy player hesitate, works for me. That is what it really boils down to.
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Oleveir says, "One must be careful around the angry ODS women."
Yamcer is posting an opinion on PvP policy. I don't know what else needs to be said here. I think my point has been made.
- Warrior Zealot Korsik Rippentropp, Executioner of M'riss
Baum says to Lillietta, "Problem is that Korsik is a very big boy."
Lillietta says, "He is mentally unstable."
- Warrior Zealot Korsik Rippentropp, Executioner of M'riss
Baum says to Lillietta, "Problem is that Korsik is a very big boy."
Lillietta says, "He is mentally unstable."
I think you're missing my point, take that sort of thing to Conflicts.
Keep the discussion both General and Constructive. If you want to nitpick at each other's RP/PVP stance take that over to Conflicts.
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