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I'm becoming very frustrated with how commonplace AFK scripting has become in prime. Almost every time I enter into young/fledgling gryphons and ask if someone wouldn't mind company, I get no response for 2-5 minutes. Is this simply the new norm? Today, I asked to share a room with someone, waited for 2 minutes (and got no response), left to hunt in another area, and a full 6 minutes after the request, I got a private thought apologizing and inviting me to share the room. Is this just how things are, now? I thought TF was created to appease people who wanted to AFK script.
I recognize that prime may have a dwindling player base, and GM's might be reluctant to alienate customers in order to keep our beloved game alive, but is there an appropriate response to this? Should I report these incidences whenever they occur? I'd hate to become some self-appointed lawman for scripters, but this is really, really getting out of control in my opinion. I've been noticing this for months now, and I thought I'd post my views and get clarification on how to proceed from other players, as well as GM's on the boards.
- Araine
If you suspect someone of AFK scripting the proper response is to REPORT them and otherwise leave them alone.
They will be investigated, however if you take matters into your own hands it can both invalidate our tests and potentially get you in trouble for breaking policy in other ways.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
They will be investigated, however if you take matters into your own hands it can both invalidate our tests and potentially get you in trouble for breaking policy in other ways.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
Having read the previous few pages worth of posts on in this folder, it occurs to me now that I posted out of pent-up anger and frustration, rather than taking the time to read over the folder and properly educate myself on current enforcement methods.
This topic has been thoroughly explored, and I now know EXACTLY where GM's stand on AFK scripting. I apologize for ranting, as it simply wasn't necessary given the amount of information already offered in this folder. Whenever I suspect someone of AFK scripting, I will simply report it and move on. Thank you Raesh.
- Araine
This topic has been thoroughly explored, and I now know EXACTLY where GM's stand on AFK scripting. I apologize for ranting, as it simply wasn't necessary given the amount of information already offered in this folder. Whenever I suspect someone of AFK scripting, I will simply report it and move on. Thank you Raesh.
- Araine
>>In retrospect, I think my backtraining a dozen weapons on gryphons does more damage than any one of those afk scripters ever has. Still, always amusing hunting with company.<<
On the contrary, Stilva, I have a great time whenever I hunt with you. You also don't AFK script. When I've asked to share the room with you, you're always there. I actually enjoy hunting with other people, but I become absolutely furious when I'm sitting in the room for 5 minutes and the person killing a pile of gryphons is unresponsive.
It's quite alright though, I've reported quite a few unresponsive people since my original post, I only hope the GM's don't get absolutely sick of my reports!
- Araine
On the contrary, Stilva, I have a great time whenever I hunt with you. You also don't AFK script. When I've asked to share the room with you, you're always there. I actually enjoy hunting with other people, but I become absolutely furious when I'm sitting in the room for 5 minutes and the person killing a pile of gryphons is unresponsive.
It's quite alright though, I've reported quite a few unresponsive people since my original post, I only hope the GM's don't get absolutely sick of my reports!
- Araine
>>I actually enjoy hunting with other people, but I become absolutely furious when I'm sitting in the room for 5 minutes and the person killing a pile of gryphons is unresponsive.
Good to know. I hope one day you come into my room and chatter away. I'll make sure you become furious. And if you start killing my critters I'll put an axe in your face.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
Good to know. I hope one day you come into my room and chatter away. I'll make sure you become furious. And if you start killing my critters I'll put an axe in your face.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
>>Good to know. I hope one day you come into my room and chatter away. I'll make sure you become furious. And if you start killing my critters I'll put an axe in your face.>>
I don't chatter at all, actually, I simply ask people if I can share the room with them. You know, being polite? When they fail to respond, it's usually because they're AFK scripting, which is irritating. No problem though, Vinjince, feel free to post juvenile, combative statements on the boards, it doesn't bother me at all.
- Araine
I don't chatter at all, actually, I simply ask people if I can share the room with them. You know, being polite? When they fail to respond, it's usually because they're AFK scripting, which is irritating. No problem though, Vinjince, feel free to post juvenile, combative statements on the boards, it doesn't bother me at all.
- Araine
>>No problem though, Vinjince, feel free to post juvenile, combative statements on the boards, it doesn't bother me at all.
It doesn't have to bother you, I just know you'll be raging when someone doesn't answer you in a couple of minutes. That absolute NEED to go around asking to share rooms in an attempt to police is mind-boggling, and then getting furious when not responded to is going beyond what any normal person would do.
Sometimes if you feel someone is afk scripting, just report and move on. No need to stand there for 5 minutes getting all bothered and stuff.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
It doesn't have to bother you, I just know you'll be raging when someone doesn't answer you in a couple of minutes. That absolute NEED to go around asking to share rooms in an attempt to police is mind-boggling, and then getting furious when not responded to is going beyond what any normal person would do.
Sometimes if you feel someone is afk scripting, just report and move on. No need to stand there for 5 minutes getting all bothered and stuff.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
Actually, I don't go around attempting to police people. When rooms are full, I ask people if I can share. If they don't respond, I do in fact report and move on. See my previous posts. Now, if you actually think I waste time getting my nerd-rage on over a game (instead of using a bit of casual, verbal hyperbole), that's on you.
Hey, have a nice day!
- Araine
Hey, have a nice day!
- Araine
>>Actually, I don't go around attempting to police people. When rooms are full, I ask people if I can share. If they don't respond, I do in fact report and move on.
>>I actually enjoy hunting with other people, but I become absolutely furious when I'm sitting in the room for 5 minutes and the person killing a pile of gryphons is unresponsive.
You report and move on? But that second quoted line says you sit there for 5 minutes.
Yes, I'm reading your previous post and you seem to be contradicting yourself. I'm having a great day, not sure about you buddy. ;)
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
>>I actually enjoy hunting with other people, but I become absolutely furious when I'm sitting in the room for 5 minutes and the person killing a pile of gryphons is unresponsive.
You report and move on? But that second quoted line says you sit there for 5 minutes.
Yes, I'm reading your previous post and you seem to be contradicting yourself. I'm having a great day, not sure about you buddy. ;)
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
>>You report and move on? But that second quoted line says you sit there for 5 minutes.
Not that I really care about this either way, but are you suggesting it would make -more- sense for him to wait 30 seconds, then report and move on? It sounds to me like he's saying he waits 5 minutes for a response, reports and moves on if he doesn't get one.
Meh. I don't really get why people get worked up about this stuff.
~Katt
A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!
Not that I really care about this either way, but are you suggesting it would make -more- sense for him to wait 30 seconds, then report and move on? It sounds to me like he's saying he waits 5 minutes for a response, reports and moves on if he doesn't get one.
Meh. I don't really get why people get worked up about this stuff.
~Katt
A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!
>>Not that I really care about this either way, but are you suggesting it would make -more- sense for him to wait 30 seconds, then report and move on?
I say it make MORE sense to just not play script police. I only pointed out that he does wait 5 minutes when he claimed he didn't.
It doesn't take a genius nor sitting in someone's room for 5 minutes to conclude they could be afk scripting.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
I say it make MORE sense to just not play script police. I only pointed out that he does wait 5 minutes when he claimed he didn't.
It doesn't take a genius nor sitting in someone's room for 5 minutes to conclude they could be afk scripting.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
Which is all fine. I know everyone has their own opinions on this stuff and I'm not arguing either way is right or wrong. From a purely 'uninterested third party' stand point, I just don't see him contradicting himself there. At least from how I read his posts. You two just disagree on how (if at all) it should be handled.
~Katt
A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!
~Katt
A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!
>>I say it make MORE sense to just not play script police. I only pointed out that he does wait 5 minutes when he claimed he didn't.>>
Wait.. how exactly do you know what I do? You've never even seen me IG, let alone sat there and timed how long I stay in a room waiting for someone to respond to my request to hunt.
Yeah, I said it bothers me when someone doesn't respond to me when I ask them a question after five minutes. Do I literally wait for 5 minutes? Nah, it's probably more like 2 minutes when I stop and seriously think about it. You seem less interested in making an actual, salient point, and more interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. Let me make this crystal clear for you...
When I walk into gryphons and a room is NOT available, I ask whoever is in a room if I can hunt. If they don't respond in a reasonable amount of time, despite initiating combat actions, I report them for AFK scripting, as I was instructed to do by GMs. At that point I move on. I don't drag them, I don't kill their critters, I don't throw insulting remarks in their direction, I move on.
Does this bother you? I don't care. I'm going to continue to report people when they aren't responsive to the gaming environment until the GMs instruct me to do otherwise, end of story. I don't need you to be my bestest friend, or agree with me, Vinjince.
Bye for now,
- Araine
Wait.. how exactly do you know what I do? You've never even seen me IG, let alone sat there and timed how long I stay in a room waiting for someone to respond to my request to hunt.
Yeah, I said it bothers me when someone doesn't respond to me when I ask them a question after five minutes. Do I literally wait for 5 minutes? Nah, it's probably more like 2 minutes when I stop and seriously think about it. You seem less interested in making an actual, salient point, and more interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. Let me make this crystal clear for you...
When I walk into gryphons and a room is NOT available, I ask whoever is in a room if I can hunt. If they don't respond in a reasonable amount of time, despite initiating combat actions, I report them for AFK scripting, as I was instructed to do by GMs. At that point I move on. I don't drag them, I don't kill their critters, I don't throw insulting remarks in their direction, I move on.
Does this bother you? I don't care. I'm going to continue to report people when they aren't responsive to the gaming environment until the GMs instruct me to do otherwise, end of story. I don't need you to be my bestest friend, or agree with me, Vinjince.
Bye for now,
- Araine
>>Wait.. how exactly do you know what I do? You've never even seen me IG, let alone sat there and timed how long I stay in a room waiting for someone to respond to my request to hunt.
I can only go by what you post on the boards. I'm not going to keep re-quoting your posts for you if it's this difficult to remember what you said.
>>Yeah, I said it bothers me when someone doesn't respond to me when I ask them a question after five minutes. Do I literally wait for 5 minutes? Nah, it's probably more like 2 minutes when I stop and seriously think about it.
You should put more emphasis on the fact that you're exaggerating when you do. Or else it does look like a contradiction especially when it's not all in one statement.
>> You seem less interested in making an actual, salient point, and more interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. Let me make this crystal clear for you...
No, I'm fairly sure I've made my point, but I'll do it again.
Policing means to enforce. When you're in gryphons and have reported assumed afk scripting as many times as you claim (a lot judging by your post), then you've taken it upon yourself to become script police. It doesn't matter if you intend to hold hands and hunt with others or whatever it is you desire to do, no one is required to respond to you so you definitely shouldn't be bothered by their actions.
I'll repeat. No one is required to respond so don't get upset, furious, slightly angry or whatever if they don't respond.
What I meant by report and move on is: it's lame trying to constantly bust people for afk scripting when you have no idea whether or not they are. Turning that into an angry habit (which I'm fair to assume it is, judging by your posts) is weird.
No, it doesn't bother me, I'd very much welcome one of your little attempts at me lol. I just think it's a little sad, Araine. :(
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
I can only go by what you post on the boards. I'm not going to keep re-quoting your posts for you if it's this difficult to remember what you said.
>>Yeah, I said it bothers me when someone doesn't respond to me when I ask them a question after five minutes. Do I literally wait for 5 minutes? Nah, it's probably more like 2 minutes when I stop and seriously think about it.
You should put more emphasis on the fact that you're exaggerating when you do. Or else it does look like a contradiction especially when it's not all in one statement.
>> You seem less interested in making an actual, salient point, and more interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. Let me make this crystal clear for you...
No, I'm fairly sure I've made my point, but I'll do it again.
Policing means to enforce. When you're in gryphons and have reported assumed afk scripting as many times as you claim (a lot judging by your post), then you've taken it upon yourself to become script police. It doesn't matter if you intend to hold hands and hunt with others or whatever it is you desire to do, no one is required to respond to you so you definitely shouldn't be bothered by their actions.
I'll repeat. No one is required to respond so don't get upset, furious, slightly angry or whatever if they don't respond.
What I meant by report and move on is: it's lame trying to constantly bust people for afk scripting when you have no idea whether or not they are. Turning that into an angry habit (which I'm fair to assume it is, judging by your posts) is weird.
No, it doesn't bother me, I'd very much welcome one of your little attempts at me lol. I just think it's a little sad, Araine. :(
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
>>Policing means to enforce. When you're in gryphons and have reported assumed afk scripting as many times as you claim (a lot judging by your post), then you've taken it upon yourself to become script police.<<
I don't have the power to enforce policy. I can't sanction a player, strip them of field experience, and move them to a holding area within the game, only GM's can do that. I've also launched a total of... say, 5 or 6 reports since starting this. When you say "a lot judging by your posts" YOU are making an assumption, and taking it upon yourself to attempt to vilify my behavior based on a mistaken, assumed premise.
>>It doesn't matter if you intend to hold hands and hunt with others or whatever it is you desire to do, no one is required to respond to you so you definitely shouldn't be bothered by their actions.<<
Eh... I can be bothered by whatever I want to be bothered by, that's neither here or there.
>>What I meant by report and move on is: it's lame trying to constantly bust people for afk scripting when you have no idea whether or not they are.<<
How do you know I spend a significant amount of my game time trying to bust people? Again, you're making an outrageous assumption, and you should really stop.
>>I just think it's a little sad, Araine. :( <<
Heh, thanks for that.
- Araine
I don't have the power to enforce policy. I can't sanction a player, strip them of field experience, and move them to a holding area within the game, only GM's can do that. I've also launched a total of... say, 5 or 6 reports since starting this. When you say "a lot judging by your posts" YOU are making an assumption, and taking it upon yourself to attempt to vilify my behavior based on a mistaken, assumed premise.
>>It doesn't matter if you intend to hold hands and hunt with others or whatever it is you desire to do, no one is required to respond to you so you definitely shouldn't be bothered by their actions.<<
Eh... I can be bothered by whatever I want to be bothered by, that's neither here or there.
>>What I meant by report and move on is: it's lame trying to constantly bust people for afk scripting when you have no idea whether or not they are.<<
How do you know I spend a significant amount of my game time trying to bust people? Again, you're making an outrageous assumption, and you should really stop.
>>I just think it's a little sad, Araine. :( <<
Heh, thanks for that.
- Araine
>>I don't have the power to enforce policy. I can't sanction a player, strip them of field experience, and move them to a holding area within the game, only GM's can do that. I've also launched a total of... say, 5 or 6 reports since starting this. When you say "a lot judging by your posts" YOU are making an assumption, and taking it upon yourself to attempt to vilify my behavior based on a mistaken, assumed premise.
If you claim to test people scripting by asking a question then waiting 5 minutes, I'm going to assume that you do in fact wait 5 minutes. You can later claim you were exaggerating in a wild attempt to win an argument, but expect people to assume you do what you said you do.
>>Eh... I can be bothered by whatever I want to be bothered by, that's neither here or there.
Sure you can. I'm just offering rational advice, take it or leave it.
But posting about being furious over people not responding just looks silly, though you probably don't care. Why? Because no one is required to respond to you. That's all I'm saying.
Round and round we go.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
If you claim to test people scripting by asking a question then waiting 5 minutes, I'm going to assume that you do in fact wait 5 minutes. You can later claim you were exaggerating in a wild attempt to win an argument, but expect people to assume you do what you said you do.
>>Eh... I can be bothered by whatever I want to be bothered by, that's neither here or there.
Sure you can. I'm just offering rational advice, take it or leave it.
But posting about being furious over people not responding just looks silly, though you probably don't care. Why? Because no one is required to respond to you. That's all I'm saying.
Round and round we go.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
<<If you claim to test people scripting by asking a question then waiting 5 minutes>>
The claim I read was:
"I ask some one a question to try and find a spot to hunt, when they don't reply in some reasonable fashion I report and move on to actually find a place to hunt."
Of course with your prejudices it seems likely that you would indeed jump to the conclusion you did.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
The claim I read was:
"I ask some one a question to try and find a spot to hunt, when they don't reply in some reasonable fashion I report and move on to actually find a place to hunt."
Of course with your prejudices it seems likely that you would indeed jump to the conclusion you did.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
>>Of course with your prejudices it seems likely that you would indeed jump to the conclusion you did.
Ouch. Missanya, you might want to look to Yamcer for your conflict as crazy as that sounds.
I've said my piece, I'm done.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
Ouch. Missanya, you might want to look to Yamcer for your conflict as crazy as that sounds.
I've said my piece, I'm done.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
Ah, I am guilty of AFK scripting and I was caught a few hours ago ^^ Embarassingly enough, I think it was because I had just assist requested right before I fell asleep at my computer ^^ Though to be honest I had AFK scripted quite a bit for the past week for 30min at a time playing dota, grabbing lunch, taking a shower, etc. :P (in my defense I thought it was allowed! :T and only forbidden on Prime and Plat)
Well I doubt this matters much to anyone reading this, but I'm sorry! And I won't do it again ^^ Especially now that I know the rules!
Well I doubt this matters much to anyone reading this, but I'm sorry! And I won't do it again ^^ Especially now that I know the rules!
