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A lot of people I know are really looking forward to this and we've been discussing what items we should have turn into a Focus at length.
However, the certainty of what to choose is a bit muddy because the rules aren't available. I'm wondering if any GM would be willing to put those up ahead of time so the list of people who show up are squared away with a proper item.
Specifically, are there any items completely excluded from being a Focus? Weapons, Containers, Etc.
Does the item in question need to be attached to the current Capacity stat being used within the Enchanting system? If not, will a capacity stat be attached to the item? Kodius mentioned items not made from materials within the current crafting system will an arbitrary Capacity that is rather low. Curious as to whether or not that will effect this process.
Any information on this upcoming Merchant would be great.
>>Specifically, are there any items completely excluded from being a Focus? Weapons, Containers, Etc.
AFAIK, as long as it isn't an item that already has a script associated with it (ie: special effects, verbs, etc), it can become a focus. Honestly, I think those things can become a focus, too, but you'd lose the other "stuff" it could do (no more cool verb, etc).
Don't forget, though, you need to hold a focus in order to activate it. So you might not want your backpack to become a focus, and it might be odd to take your pants off each time you want to cast a ritual spell.
>>Does the item in question need to be attached to the current Capacity stat being used within the Enchanting system? If not, will a capacity stat be attached to the item?
This hasn't been the case in the past, and I'd be surprised if this is the case now.
Personally, and this is a good rule for alterations as a whole, I'd select the thing you hope to get made into a focus, and also a "safer" backup. So if you're thinking of having your sword made into a focus, consider having some more innocuous jewelry/fluff that doesn't have verbs you like as a second option.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
AFAIK, as long as it isn't an item that already has a script associated with it (ie: special effects, verbs, etc), it can become a focus. Honestly, I think those things can become a focus, too, but you'd lose the other "stuff" it could do (no more cool verb, etc).
Don't forget, though, you need to hold a focus in order to activate it. So you might not want your backpack to become a focus, and it might be odd to take your pants off each time you want to cast a ritual spell.
>>Does the item in question need to be attached to the current Capacity stat being used within the Enchanting system? If not, will a capacity stat be attached to the item?
This hasn't been the case in the past, and I'd be surprised if this is the case now.
Personally, and this is a good rule for alterations as a whole, I'd select the thing you hope to get made into a focus, and also a "safer" backup. So if you're thinking of having your sword made into a focus, consider having some more innocuous jewelry/fluff that doesn't have verbs you like as a second option.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
>>Are these TM foci and/or ritual foci?
Per the details on the FESTIVAL verb: Foci for any mana type can be made, as well as those for targeted magics. No universal foci will be made during this session.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Per the details on the FESTIVAL verb: Foci for any mana type can be made, as well as those for targeted magics. No universal foci will be made during this session.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
>>Don't forget, though, you need to hold a focus in order to activate it. So you might not want your backpack to become a focus, and it might be odd to take your pants off each time you want to cast a ritual spell.
Wasn't so concerned with streaking for magic, as I was with a lot of cooler items from HE that are more than just a basic thing. For instance, jeweled faenrae skulls that are containers from Misenseor Goods, etc. I've tried to find items that are basic and not associated with ANY outside system such as Weapons, Containers, Verby Fluff, and so on. Very difficult these days.
Wasn't so concerned with streaking for magic, as I was with a lot of cooler items from HE that are more than just a basic thing. For instance, jeweled faenrae skulls that are containers from Misenseor Goods, etc. I've tried to find items that are basic and not associated with ANY outside system such as Weapons, Containers, Verby Fluff, and so on. Very difficult these days.
> I've tried to find items that are basic and not associated with ANY outside system such as Weapons, Containers, Verby Fluff, and so on. Very difficult these days.
The inventory from https://elanthipedia.play.net/A._R._Cayne%27s_Majikul_Serplize might help. There's a lot of pretty cool stuff in there that does absolutely nothing mechanically and doesn't interact with any other systems.
Documentation is a love letter you write to your future self.
The inventory from https://elanthipedia.play.net/A._R._Cayne%27s_Majikul_Serplize might help. There's a lot of pretty cool stuff in there that does absolutely nothing mechanically and doesn't interact with any other systems.
Documentation is a love letter you write to your future self.
I don't have a definitive list of all the things, but some guidelines for TM foci that might be helpful are...
Things that don't have other scripts. (anything verby, things like chakrel)
Things that aren't otherwise inherently magical (like cambrinth/gaethzen/etc)
Things that don't have any chance to "change state" (containers that could be open or closed or change weight because something is in or out of them, weapons/armor that could be damaged)
Pretty much, the only change that should be possible for your TM focus is you can wear it or you can hold it (and it only works while you hold it).
Someone a little more "in-the-know" might have a more definitive list later, but hopefully this will help you avoid some of the stuff that could have the worst "unintended consequences".
(and yes, ritual foci have different rules - TM foci are much more demanding!)
Iocanthe
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Things that don't have other scripts. (anything verby, things like chakrel)
Things that aren't otherwise inherently magical (like cambrinth/gaethzen/etc)
Things that don't have any chance to "change state" (containers that could be open or closed or change weight because something is in or out of them, weapons/armor that could be damaged)
Pretty much, the only change that should be possible for your TM focus is you can wear it or you can hold it (and it only works while you hold it).
Someone a little more "in-the-know" might have a more definitive list later, but hopefully this will help you avoid some of the stuff that could have the worst "unintended consequences".
(and yes, ritual foci have different rules - TM foci are much more demanding!)
Iocanthe
Doing stuff
>>For instance, jeweled faenrae skulls that are containers from Misenseor Goods, etc. I've tried to find items that are basic and not associated with ANY outside system such as Weapons, Containers, Verby Fluff, and so on.
For what it's worth, I had a locket with a mirror stuck inside it (so, for all intents and purposes, a container) turned into a universal focus.
The item I had made into a focus last year is: https://elanthipedia.play.net/Item:Silver-framed_cameo_locket_on_a_delicate_chain
From what Iocanthe said, TM foci might have different rules, though when it comes to containers, so keep that in mind!
Also, clearly not a GM, but I think if you're okay with the item's original script(s) getting removed, you can always have something de-scripted so it can be made into a focus. So if you really like an amulet but it has that basic kit of kiss/lick/etc verbs that comes with a lot of neck jewelry, you can always have it de-verbbed so it's suitable for your purposes.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
For what it's worth, I had a locket with a mirror stuck inside it (so, for all intents and purposes, a container) turned into a universal focus.
The item I had made into a focus last year is: https://elanthipedia.play.net/Item:Silver-framed_cameo_locket_on_a_delicate_chain
From what Iocanthe said, TM foci might have different rules, though when it comes to containers, so keep that in mind!
Also, clearly not a GM, but I think if you're okay with the item's original script(s) getting removed, you can always have something de-scripted so it can be made into a focus. So if you really like an amulet but it has that basic kit of kiss/lick/etc verbs that comes with a lot of neck jewelry, you can always have it de-verbbed so it's suitable for your purposes.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
TM foci and ritual foci have completely different rules for what can and can't work for them, and a totally different set up behind the scenes. That's partially why the alterer's entry for this event said that any item you're wanting to be turned into a focus will have to be evaluated by the alterer in person for suitability.
Some rules of thumb, though:
For Making Ritual Foci From Existing Items
* weapons are generally okay.
* containers are generally okay.
* anything non-magical and without a script and that is not consumable is generally okay.
For Making TM Foci From Existing Items
* The item can't have any scripts or other functions at all.
* No containers.
* No weapons.
* No cambrinth or gaethzen or anything remotely magical.
* No to a whole lot of items that we can't tell you exactly what they are until the alterer looks at them individually.
The alterer is charging the same base price as Vatari used to, which is 100 plat dokoras, and the prices will go up from there depending on the complexity of the work.
-Persida
Some rules of thumb, though:
For Making Ritual Foci From Existing Items
* weapons are generally okay.
* containers are generally okay.
* anything non-magical and without a script and that is not consumable is generally okay.
For Making TM Foci From Existing Items
* The item can't have any scripts or other functions at all.
* No containers.
* No weapons.
* No cambrinth or gaethzen or anything remotely magical.
* No to a whole lot of items that we can't tell you exactly what they are until the alterer looks at them individually.
The alterer is charging the same base price as Vatari used to, which is 100 plat dokoras, and the prices will go up from there depending on the complexity of the work.
-Persida
>>The item can't have any scripts or other functions at all.
Possibly silly question, but is it possible to have an item de-scripted/functioned so it can meet the requirements of being "clean" for these kinds of alterations?
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Possibly silly question, but is it possible to have an item de-scripted/functioned so it can meet the requirements of being "clean" for these kinds of alterations?
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
>>Teveshszat: Possibly silly question, but is it possible to have an item de-scripted/functioned so it can meet the requirements of being "clean" for these kinds of alterations?
I hope so. I have an old altered item hider that I no longer need; it would make the perfect TM focus.
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I hope so. I have an old altered item hider that I no longer need; it would make the perfect TM focus.
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