since the new experience system has been put in, the problem that i've found with it is that it basically negated the "fix" that originally had been put in to make teaching more palatable.

I've had no problem learning "teaching". However, the Teacher learns zero. zilch, nada of the subject being taught.
Even when being taught by someone of the same species <race>.

And that basically makes it back to the way the skill used to be - namely major suckage.

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"If Elanthia can survive putting a dragon inside of its molten core, I think it can survive a few black-robed magicians sitting on Gibbet Hill"-<parshift>

<<This isn't true but it is a pathetically small amount.

That's depends on how you look at it too. It's still the same number of bits going in and out, the system is just pulsing larger into 3 times the pool size. People don't see themselves mind locking in the subject or scholarship because the inital pulse is enough to clear them to 0.

Nikpack

The gods are jerks. No, really.
-Armifer

>>I actually find that I learn just fine when I'm teaching. No, the skill being taught doesn't lock, but it's continuously getting to 1 and pulsing. I taught a shield class a few days ago and although I never saw it go past 1/34, I gained over 30% of a rank from the class. I have no complaints about that.

I do, getting to 1 isn't getting the same amount of experience as you used to when you could get to mind lock. If I was able to keep it around 3 constantly I wouldn't have any complaints.

"my primary goal isn't to learn the subject that I'm teaching. If it was, then I'd have a problem with the results. As a 'side benefit', it seems fine to me."

I am curious what your primary goal is then? For me, yes I am pleased to be able to teach a skill when I happen to be around other characters, but since my character needs Teaching in order to circle, I need more Teaching than I learn incidentally.

So what does Flavius get from Teaching? He learns teaching of course- but that is rather a circular argument. Learning Teaching well so I can Teach so I can learn Teaching well is not very satisfactory to me.

Being able to learn some of the skill taught and some scholarship are what made this somewhat more palatable. I realize the point that we are still learning it at the highest rate, but absorbing experience faster. Last night teaching Arcana my overall pool went down from 12 to zero, and then blipped back on and off as the teaching cycled. So perhaps overall Flavius is learning Arcana just fine from teaching, but it feels like he is learning less than before. It doesn't feel like he is gaining much from Teaching.

Combat has always had this advantage over lore. I was really hoping teaching would get updated to allow quicker locking. Especially since last year was the "year of lore". The thing is, no GM seems to have passion about lore skills. I think the assumption is, lore is easy to script so the exp rewards should be crappy.

Honestly, for me almost anything is easy to script. I avoid scripting lore because it takes forever and yields almost nothing.

But the problem of teaching exp gets worse and worse as your ranks get higher, because good luck finding a good student if you don't use a support account.

Woah. That's Winterangel in prime?


~ Purehand

After a long deliberation, the judge finally says, "Purehand, this court finds you innocent of the charges brought upon you."

1/34 is not a good enough benefit for the teacher.

Ignoring how hard it is to even learn teaching well in most circumstances, teaching a class currently does not do anything except train teaching.

Please please give us enough experience to at least hover at like 4/34 for as long as we teach. That would make it more worth it for me.

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Rev. Reene

(Ventuul demonstrates a sneak attack to the face.)

<<And I hate it when people ask me for scholarship classes. Why is that even an option?

Maybe because learning scholarship while listening to a class is pathetic, 1/34 is all I seem to get. It didn't used to be that way if I remember correctly. Wouldn't bother me so much if we got 4/34. (Not one that asks for scholarship classes btw).

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Necromancy brings out the Stupid in us all. -Armifer

>>Even when you are LISTEN OBSERVE?

You don't seem to know how listen works:

Listen to X -> Most bits go X, then Scholarship, then Teaching.

Listen to X Obs -> Swap Teaching and X above. No change in Scholarship.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.

Not quite sure why you're all asking for it to hover at like "4/34". The new exp system is simple... either it pulses clear every time (and thus hovers at 1 or maybe 2) or it will slowly build it's way to 34/34 (given enough time). There is no other point it can stabilize at.

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SEND[Abasha] It warms my heart to see three people die for a cupcake.

> I'm asking for it to give enough experience that we can get a full sized pulse.


I'll be looking at teaching experience again when I have time, but to be honest, I'd rather work on the "Part II" I promised when I released Teaching 2.0, since that will address a lot of the problems folks are having learning teaching in the first place.

As far as Scholarship goes, I need to run a couple of things past Solomon and Zeyurn first before tinkering too much with the experience there. As to experience in the subject being taught for the teacher, I may bump it up a little eventually, but frankly, that's something I added in the first place just as a minor perk for the teacher. I'm not sure I want to tinker with it more until the rest of Teaching is out. I am aiming long-term at a situation where being a good teacher will be enough of a benefit in and of itself.


- GM Dartenian

Though my soul may set in darkness it will rise in perfect light. I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night! - Sarah Williams

>My WM teaches TM in combat because WMs are the only ones besides bards who Can teach it in combat.

WTB skill based perks.

Maybe I've just been fortunate enough to keep finding the "sweet spot" student or what have you, but I often times lock teaching with 1 or 2 students and depending on the subject, keep it hovering at a decent rate as well (considering that it's just an added perk). Maybe I just lucked out and my friends happen to be the perfect students for me. But that would seem odd given the pretty extreme differences between them re: skills/stats/race/guild. This is with near 600 in teaching.

Now moving 640 ranks of scholarship is a whole other story. THAT is a pain.


- Terra

Thats weird because I can teach Malzard TM for that amount of time and not only have teaching mindlocked, but have TM moving at a nice pace as well.

Obviously there are other factors at play.


- Terra