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The Jantspyre river, between Haven and Rossmans, should teach to at least 100 ranks.
Probably a bit more of a walk than you were hoping for, though.
-Chris
No matter where light goes...it will find darkness has been there first.
What's wrong with the stream by the homes? Teaches me at 76, I know the old man has 80 something, we both have no problems locking and turning our minds to total mush. Talk to me tonight if you want something to help with the stream, I don't have my stuff here at work.
"...And yes, I could see the Elemental Music restore spirit much like it restores vitality. Just because some can't, doesn't mean I'm wrong. It means they're narrow minded." --Prickly
"...And yes, I could see the Elemental Music restore spirit much like it restores vitality. Just because some can't, doesn't mean I'm wrong. It means they're narrow minded." --Prickly
>>From what I recall, you can't get stuck in the stream by the housing area, and it teaches very nicely. You're probably not seeing all the exits or something.
Correct, you can keep going with the current and then climb out (tree or bank or something, can't remember which). With ~75, the first two rooms (ne/sw) taught me great. Didn't succeed all time, but even failing taught me well. At 80+, failure was down around 10%. However, this is usually w/out burden and survival primary. But I think this is part of Woodcubs problem is the burden issue. If I'm not mistaken, you posted a while that you were almost at constant burden and really couldn't get rid of it for whatever reason. I know when I was burdened there, I couldn't go ne but once in a great while; however it still taught me great when I failed.
Personally, I think Theren/Lang have most of the climbing/swimming issues resolved now.. at least at lower-mid level. Not sure about 200-300+, but I'm guessing with the river and chasm by Rossman's that those should be covered as well (and high level climbing in Seords).
~Tanshar
Correct, you can keep going with the current and then climb out (tree or bank or something, can't remember which). With ~75, the first two rooms (ne/sw) taught me great. Didn't succeed all time, but even failing taught me well. At 80+, failure was down around 10%. However, this is usually w/out burden and survival primary. But I think this is part of Woodcubs problem is the burden issue. If I'm not mistaken, you posted a while that you were almost at constant burden and really couldn't get rid of it for whatever reason. I know when I was burdened there, I couldn't go ne but once in a great while; however it still taught me great when I failed.
Personally, I think Theren/Lang have most of the climbing/swimming issues resolved now.. at least at lower-mid level. Not sure about 200-300+, but I'm guessing with the river and chasm by Rossman's that those should be covered as well (and high level climbing in Seords).
~Tanshar
<<The Jantspyre river, between Haven and Rossmans, should teach to at least 100 ranks.>>
Can't swim it with burden.
<<What's wrong with the stream by the homes? >>
Can't swim it with burden.
<<From what I recall, you can't get stuck in the stream by the housing area, and it teaches very nicely. You're probably not seeing all the exits or something.>>
I can swim it one way easy, but can't swim it coming back. Must have no burden to swim it.
<<But I think this is part of Woodcubs problem is the burden issue.>>
Yup, you got it. Burden is my issue. I have had no burden, I'm sure I can swim those few places.
Before folks start with the "You need to get rid of burden" speech, that is not going to happen so don't waist your time posting about the evils of it. My burden is here to stay (courage pending). I can learn in the gwens fine with burden, but eels are too dangerous. Before Dammisak decided to "fix" the swimming areas, I was able to learn in lakes and moats fine with burden. Even the Fallow Fields in Illithi taught me a bit.
All the area mentioned so far are either too easy or must have NO burden to swim. There is no swimming holes inbetween anywhere in the realms (so far).
All I'm asking is for the lakes and moats to be re-evaluated and maybe, instead of them teaching to 80, why not have them teach to 100 or so? I always thought the swimming changes were too severe and have this gap.
Forever Burdened Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
Can't swim it with burden.
<<What's wrong with the stream by the homes? >>
Can't swim it with burden.
<<From what I recall, you can't get stuck in the stream by the housing area, and it teaches very nicely. You're probably not seeing all the exits or something.>>
I can swim it one way easy, but can't swim it coming back. Must have no burden to swim it.
<<But I think this is part of Woodcubs problem is the burden issue.>>
Yup, you got it. Burden is my issue. I have had no burden, I'm sure I can swim those few places.
Before folks start with the "You need to get rid of burden" speech, that is not going to happen so don't waist your time posting about the evils of it. My burden is here to stay (courage pending). I can learn in the gwens fine with burden, but eels are too dangerous. Before Dammisak decided to "fix" the swimming areas, I was able to learn in lakes and moats fine with burden. Even the Fallow Fields in Illithi taught me a bit.
All the area mentioned so far are either too easy or must have NO burden to swim. There is no swimming holes inbetween anywhere in the realms (so far).
All I'm asking is for the lakes and moats to be re-evaluated and maybe, instead of them teaching to 80, why not have them teach to 100 or so? I always thought the swimming changes were too severe and have this gap.
Forever Burdened Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
<<I think Theren/Lang have most of the climbing/swimming issues resolved now.. at least at lower-mid level. >>
I disagree, if anyone can show where I can SAFELY swim with my burden and learn decently (past 80) in the Lang/Theren area, I'll give them 5 plats. (No eels)
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
I disagree, if anyone can show where I can SAFELY swim with my burden and learn decently (past 80) in the Lang/Theren area, I'll give them 5 plats. (No eels)
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
>I disagree, if anyone can show where I can SAFELY swim with my burden and learn decently (past 80) in the Lang/Theren area, I'll give them 5 plats. (No eels)
Just find me and I'll give you an immense courage anytime Woodcubb. I think you even have my IM name.
~Coine
"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. -- Herm Albright
Just find me and I'll give you an immense courage anytime Woodcubb. I think you even have my IM name.
~Coine
"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. -- Herm Albright
<<Just find me and I'll give you an immense courage anytime Woodcubb. I think you even have my IM name.>>
Tanks Coine, I'll give you a holler then.
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
Tanks Coine, I'll give you a holler then.
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
<< Before folks start with the "You need to get rid of burden" speech, that is not going to happen so don't waist your time posting about the evils of it. My burden is here to stay (courage pending). I can learn in the gwens fine with burden, but eels are too dangerous. Before Dammisak decided to "fix" the swimming areas, I was able to learn in lakes and moats fine with burden.
I believe it was the Ranger team that owns both Climbing and Swimming nowadays (course both needing rewrites), and really if your looking for swimming to become even more easier to learn than it currently is, I'd put a gajillion plats that you wont see it.
In fact, to my mind it would be a safe bet that you will see Swimming become quite a bit harder to learn in the future. Currently right now, both Swimming and Climbing are ridiculously easy skills to Train. No other skills seem to come close in the "Reasonable Training" vs "Exp Award" Ratios. Appraisal might, but carrying around 20 full gem pouches for a Trader to lock his appraisal is a bit beyond the "Reasonable Training".
Put simply, I can lock climbing in under a minute, and I can lock Swimming in under a minute, and being prime in them gives me a much larger pool then yours. If you truly wanted to learn, ya would find someone to hold your backpack for the minute it would take to lock ya. Really it takes me significantly shorter for me to lock Swimming than it does for me to Lock Primary Magic or even other "easy" tert skills.
As I said, look for Swimming and Climbing to become harder to train in the future, and a big yay from me on that. ;)
Tusca
Do you take me for a fool?
Do you think that I don't see?
That ditch out in the valley,
That they digging just for me.
I believe it was the Ranger team that owns both Climbing and Swimming nowadays (course both needing rewrites), and really if your looking for swimming to become even more easier to learn than it currently is, I'd put a gajillion plats that you wont see it.
In fact, to my mind it would be a safe bet that you will see Swimming become quite a bit harder to learn in the future. Currently right now, both Swimming and Climbing are ridiculously easy skills to Train. No other skills seem to come close in the "Reasonable Training" vs "Exp Award" Ratios. Appraisal might, but carrying around 20 full gem pouches for a Trader to lock his appraisal is a bit beyond the "Reasonable Training".
Put simply, I can lock climbing in under a minute, and I can lock Swimming in under a minute, and being prime in them gives me a much larger pool then yours. If you truly wanted to learn, ya would find someone to hold your backpack for the minute it would take to lock ya. Really it takes me significantly shorter for me to lock Swimming than it does for me to Lock Primary Magic or even other "easy" tert skills.
As I said, look for Swimming and Climbing to become harder to train in the future, and a big yay from me on that. ;)
Tusca
Do you take me for a fool?
Do you think that I don't see?
That ditch out in the valley,
That they digging just for me.
<<and really if your looking for swimming to become even more easier to learn than it currently is, I'd put a gajillion plats that you wont see it.>>
Naw, I just wanna learn it period. I don't care if it's hard, it's just currently it's impossible for me to learn unless I learn in the eels.
My suggestion is not to make swimming easier, contrare, I think there's a gap missing. Currently in Lang, once you get to 80, you don't learn anywhere else unless it's in the gwens (which is suicide) or the home area west of Lang which don't teach one way (swimable) and I heard it will teach against the current, but unless you have 100+ and no burden, you can't swim it.
So my suggestions is to raise the lake caps to maybe 100. If they GMs say no, fine, I don't need swimming other than for quest (currently). I just wish a guy with burden can train it safely. Currently, I can't, at least north of Crossing I can't.
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
Naw, I just wanna learn it period. I don't care if it's hard, it's just currently it's impossible for me to learn unless I learn in the eels.
My suggestion is not to make swimming easier, contrare, I think there's a gap missing. Currently in Lang, once you get to 80, you don't learn anywhere else unless it's in the gwens (which is suicide) or the home area west of Lang which don't teach one way (swimable) and I heard it will teach against the current, but unless you have 100+ and no burden, you can't swim it.
So my suggestions is to raise the lake caps to maybe 100. If they GMs say no, fine, I don't need swimming other than for quest (currently). I just wish a guy with burden can train it safely. Currently, I can't, at least north of Crossing I can't.
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
<<I heard it will teach against the current, but unless you have 100+ and no burden, you can't swim it.
Well met, friend Woodcubb. I just started swimming in the housing area and I can go back and forth in the first room. I have 65 in swimming and somewhat burden. I do need to have a Ranger cast CAIS on me though, but I can lock it up in two minutes.
Trebber
Well met, friend Woodcubb. I just started swimming in the housing area and I can go back and forth in the first room. I have 65 in swimming and somewhat burden. I do need to have a Ranger cast CAIS on me though, but I can lock it up in two minutes.
Trebber
<< My suggestion is not to make swimming easier, contrare, I think there's a gap missing. Currently in Lang, once you get to 80, you don't learn anywhere else unless it's in the gwens (which is suicide) or the home area west of Lang which don't teach one way (swimable) and I heard it will teach against the current, but unless you have 100+ and no burden, you can't swim it.
The swimming area there isn't all the same swimming difficulty. The current varies somewhat from room to room. So if your unable to swim up the current in one room, try a different room.
Tusca
Do you take me for a fool?
Do you think that I don't see?
That ditch out in the valley,
That they digging just for me.
The swimming area there isn't all the same swimming difficulty. The current varies somewhat from room to room. So if your unable to swim up the current in one room, try a different room.
Tusca
Do you take me for a fool?
Do you think that I don't see?
That ditch out in the valley,
That they digging just for me.
<<try a different room.>>
I have. I will try again. After reading Trebber's post, I'm gonna try it with getting courage cast as well as that caimen spell Rangers have. I think I once I past 100+ it should get easier to swim with burden on . . . at least I think. It's better than nothing. Though I wish they expanded the Lake in Lang a bit more, maybe have go further deep into the lake for allowing those with 80+ to learn. Or maybe allow swimming off the Wharf. Just a suggestion.
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
I have. I will try again. After reading Trebber's post, I'm gonna try it with getting courage cast as well as that caimen spell Rangers have. I think I once I past 100+ it should get easier to swim with burden on . . . at least I think. It's better than nothing. Though I wish they expanded the Lake in Lang a bit more, maybe have go further deep into the lake for allowing those with 80+ to learn. Or maybe allow swimming off the Wharf. Just a suggestion.
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
<<You really cant fault any changes to swimming to your inability to learn when you penalize yourself with burden.>>
Considering I could swim just fine before Damissak changed swimming caps, yes I can fault it. I learned ALL of my 82 ranks of swimming WITH burden, thank you very much.
So say what you want about my burden, there is NO reason why I cannot continue learning with burden. If I can hunt, teach, climb, forage or fold origami while burden, no reason why I cannot move swimming now.
Also note there are LOTS and LOTS of places that I can swim verrry easily with alot of burden right now. My problem is I just don't learn anything. All I ask for current swimming caps to be reviewed.
I tell . . some folks think they know it all.
Hmpf!
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
Considering I could swim just fine before Damissak changed swimming caps, yes I can fault it. I learned ALL of my 82 ranks of swimming WITH burden, thank you very much.
So say what you want about my burden, there is NO reason why I cannot continue learning with burden. If I can hunt, teach, climb, forage or fold origami while burden, no reason why I cannot move swimming now.
Also note there are LOTS and LOTS of places that I can swim verrry easily with alot of burden right now. My problem is I just don't learn anything. All I ask for current swimming caps to be reviewed.
I tell . . some folks think they know it all.
Hmpf!
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
<Considering I could swim just fine before Damissak changed swimming caps, yes I can fault it. I learned ALL of my 82 ranks of swimming WITH burden, thank you very much.
Thats because you could learn more from an easy swimming area that should not teach you by increasing burden to increase difficulty. Goblins wont teach past 300 ranks in weapons because I decide to hunt left-handed. Now you know how the system works; work with it.
Fahrenheit 451: The temperature at which posts burn.
Thats because you could learn more from an easy swimming area that should not teach you by increasing burden to increase difficulty. Goblins wont teach past 300 ranks in weapons because I decide to hunt left-handed. Now you know how the system works; work with it.
Fahrenheit 451: The temperature at which posts burn.
BTW, I'm thinking of giving up herbs . . (Um . . healing herbs for all you hippies out there), so my burden will drop significantly from burden to light burden.
So hopefully, I can spare the GMs some whining on my part. Though I do still request the lake in Lang to cap higher than 80. 100 will at least keep me quite for another 20 ranks. :-)
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
So hopefully, I can spare the GMs some whining on my part. Though I do still request the lake in Lang to cap higher than 80. 100 will at least keep me quite for another 20 ranks. :-)
Woodcubb of Ilithi
You have crystal blue eyes. You are bald, with dark brown skin. You are clean shaven. You have a tattoo of a huge Taisidonian pearl nestled inside an opened oyster on your arm.
>So hopefully, I can spare the GMs some whining on my part. Though I do still request the lake in Lang to cap higher than 80. 100 will at least keep me quite for another 20 ranks.
Or you could just run to Haven for those 20 ranks. Creek out the west gate (scarlet crayfish area) teaches well in that range.
~Coine
"Walks are therapeutic, especially when taken by people that annoy me." - Coine
Or you could just run to Haven for those 20 ranks. Creek out the west gate (scarlet crayfish area) teaches well in that range.
~Coine
"Walks are therapeutic, especially when taken by people that annoy me." - Coine
>>>Friend Woodcubb, with 80 in swimming and light burden, you should be able to learn very well moving out and back into the first room of the housing river.
>>>Trebber
Woodcubb,
I've got to agree with Trebber here. I've taken swimming from 80 to 92 with burdens varying from none to somewhat in the Lang housing stream. Even at 92 ranks, I don't succeed very often, but failing with 9-12 second round times does teach enough to mind lock me in five to ten minutes.
In the stream, there's two upstream swims that are easier than the rest. The northern-most swim one off the bridge (swimming ne in the ne/w exited room) and the second to the last room going south (swimming east in the e/sw exited room). Both seem to be about the same difficulty. The second one might be just a touch easier, but that's purely subjective, I've never tried to compare success rates. I usually stop by on my way from Theren to the fens after popping boxes and selling off tusks and gems, in order to be as unburdened as possible, but I've locked in there with light to somewhat burden.
Meigs
>>>Trebber
Woodcubb,
I've got to agree with Trebber here. I've taken swimming from 80 to 92 with burdens varying from none to somewhat in the Lang housing stream. Even at 92 ranks, I don't succeed very often, but failing with 9-12 second round times does teach enough to mind lock me in five to ten minutes.
In the stream, there's two upstream swims that are easier than the rest. The northern-most swim one off the bridge (swimming ne in the ne/w exited room) and the second to the last room going south (swimming east in the e/sw exited room). Both seem to be about the same difficulty. The second one might be just a touch easier, but that's purely subjective, I've never tried to compare success rates. I usually stop by on my way from Theren to the fens after popping boxes and selling off tusks and gems, in order to be as unburdened as possible, but I've locked in there with light to somewhat burden.
Meigs
