Could we have a sign at the Fever Point Pier that tells us which direction the Degan is traveling and how long till its return? Also a sign with the information at Acenamacra Pier

Thanks in advance for looking into this matter.

or a shady figure to pay money for said info could work

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Smuggler's ship, nuff said.

What about the idea of a Beyonddisbelief? I had no idea it was a smuggler's ship, I need to pay closer attention to room descriptions.

Thank you for your time and I will take your advice

Not likely to happen, the Allvar's would have them killed before they could make a habit of doing it.


GM Alvy

>>but this is a bit silly.

Unreasonable ways to limit players FTW?...

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*Please add what leilond posted.

>>I am pretty sure the Degan is a smuggler's ship. So they would want to keep their movements on the down low.

Me >>I understand there not being a sign because the Degan is an illegal boat or something, but having a goblin there that can estimate the time based off of what it sees wouldn't be unreasonable I don't think.

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>>The goblin pulls up next to you and whispers, "Well, jus' between you and me, but I saw the Degan take off 'bout 1 hour ago. I reckon it should be back in roughly 30 minutes."

While you're at it, can we get one of those guys for all the other ships too? It'd be awesome to have an indication of when the regularly scheduled and public ships would be coming back in that was accurate to +/- an hour or so.

I think I'd spend less time if there wasn't a sign than I do when I see it say a ship is due in 15 mins, then due, then overdue, then overdue by an hour.

// Not really a complaint, but if the denizens can't track a scheduled and public ship properly, what should the odds be that a ship trying not to be seen would have a regular stream of contacts that'll take anyone's coin to give their schedule out?

- Aristron

>As Drevid said, the Degan is a smuggler's ship so they don't want their movements advertised. Anyone keeping track of the boats schedule wouldn't be allowed to live long enough to be of much use.

You could say the same thing about anyone that gives away the location of the thieves' guild, but (appologies to Apple) there's an NPC for that.

I think the reality is, the islands suck if you aren't a MM and you don't have a boat, and no GM in a position to address the issue cares about that.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

>>I think the reality is, the islands suck if you aren't a MM and you don't have a boat, and no GM in a position to address the issue cares about that.

Honestly, I think it is like this to validate moon mages and those that spent 10k plat on a boat.


~Sulakhan

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>On the Degan, they have a perfectly logical set of reasoning for why it won't happen. "It's a smuggler's ship," plus "They will kill anyone who appears to be tracking it," plus "It's only available to citizens." Which makes for a very comprehensive set of countermeasures, one that, players aside, is unlikely to be breached.

I'm sorry, but I really don't consider any of this compelling compared to the playability issue.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

<<Which is -- was -- a playability issue. If there was no hint on finding the Thieves Guild, there would have been a lot less Thieves in the early days. Now, of course, no secret remains a secret if it's been uncovered at any point>>

there's no npc for the necros and look how many damned...

:-)


anything that is anywhere on the internet won't remain secret for long.

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>Is there a diplomatic row that is unresolved? A trade embargo? Does Mer'kresh have normal diplomatic relations with the mainland?

Isn't the whole island just a pirate den?

~ Kougen

You tap Ruea's nose with your willow tree.

>>Isn't the whole island just a pirate den?

Pirates, smugglers, and sailors (of a legitimate nature) are common enough on M'Riss to support the stereotype, yes.

But it's also a settlement comprised of Humans and Elves who fled persecution of their intermarrying (and wars) on the mainland. There's a lot more history to it, too. It's actually got one of the most complete histories of any place in the game. It's important enough to be home to a few guildhalls.

>>The other issue is, you can go in circles with the RP arguments based on any position you'd like to justify.

Yes, but I didn't. A GM did. A few posts ago.

I realize you play TF and role-playing as a valid reason for something is apparently anathema, but everyone else plays Prime or Plat, where role-playing is a valid reason for something. I hate to be trite, but you've gotten exactly what you're paying for. Another instance of DR with all those RP-related reasons intact, no RP requirements, and no obligations on the part of GMs to ease your burdens.

I happen to like RP reasons for things to be as they are (and remain as they are); I'm sure if a player Prime-side decided to set up a regular run between M'Riss and The Crossing and managed to remain consistent, and got the GMs involved, it could very well become normative to the RP environment of M'Riss and thus be echoed over to TF and Plat. That's our mode of changing role-playing decisions; role-playing solutions.

>I'm sure if a player Prime-side decided to set up a regular run between M'Riss and The Crossing and managed to remain consistent, and got the GMs involved, it could very well become normative to the RP environment of M'Riss and thus be echoed over to TF and Plat. That's our mode of changing role-playing decisions; role-playing solutions.

I'm pretty sure what you're smoking isn't legal.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

Are there spots to train stats on kresh/Riss? I feel like this was another issue for me back in the day, when I finally circled I had to travel to spend tdps. It's a huge pian, and there truly isn't a great rp reason for keeping the travel so outrageously long. If I want to go to the islands and I take the degan I can wait for hours for the ship, then wait on the ship for two hours..... It's complete unfeasable to do this and really a joke. The degan is basically worthless. In fairness boats need to be made available again or a fifteen to thirty minute regularly scheduled boat should be implemented. Thirty minutes is still a really long time to sit at a dock, and then on a boat.

>>I'd prefer if you consider me someone who is passionate about this game and who thinks about game design. Because I don't write every post from the perspective of my character in TF.

This rings hollow when you flatly dismiss role-playing as a valid reason for anything.

>>But when you have game design that is causing constant frustration to long time players due to their inability to participate in RP events on the mainland, I view it as a problem. This is a game, and it should almost always be fun. Let's use that as our framework and build the RP up from that.

You've just explained to me that RP is not fun, and that removing RP is the only way you feel people can have fun. Like I said, your bias is pretty apparent here and I'd just like that everyone be aware of that.

As for your accusations regarding what I smoke, well, I suppose if that's the best ad hominen you can summon, it's not looking good.

Copernicus, check the screen name. Futility. Yup, pretty much this.

I for one appreciate your passion for the game, your knowledge of mechanics, and your ability to step outside of your TF persona to contribute to the game and the players in it, regardless of what instance they happen to choose.

While I've played TF for years, I now play prime whenever I'm ATK and no longer script around the clock in TF and I'm dreading trying to get to the islands for hunting. Most people in prime don't want to go to the islands because of the difficulties involved in circling (for some), training stats (for all), and participating in GM or player-run events that almost never happen out there, but instead happen in Therengia, Zoluren, or Ilithi.

In order for the Degan to become a viable option for travel back and forth, you first HAVE to get to Mer'Kresh and become a citizen. Ugh. From a playability standpoint, this is stupid. From a roleplay standpoint, this is stupid. One ship, that requires citizenship to board, and travels between M'riss and Leth. Super.

I bark at people all the time who gweth (on the mainland) asking for moongates to Ratha. Laziness. They at least have the use of the Kree or the Skirr, and while the schedule is inconvenient at times, there are options. There are options for getting to Hara, Poke Beach, and Aesry? I'm not sure about Aesry because I haven't been there in 8 or 10 years with any character in any instance.

There are people that don't go to the islands because it's so isolated and they get stuck when trying to get back, and there's people that want to go to the islands but can't get there in the first place. Stupid. Period. There are no reasons that justify locking the player population out of an area that should be accessible to all.


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>I was residing on M'Riss back before anyone could gate there. Before player boats. That means it legitimately did take a couple days to come and go from M'Riss.

It does when you only have a few hours a day to play. Please try and step out of your situation for a second if you are going to argue what is best for everyone.

>You know why nobody complained? Because everyone was in the same boat.

I doubt that there was ever a period of no complaints over island travel.

>This philosophy is why more and more people leave DR. The emphasis on role-playing makes DR unique. When you begin to de-emphasize it for "playability considerations" you're effectively just turning DR into a more complicated version of Progress Quest.

LOL, sure thing.

>I'm sorry you feel that nothing could possibly ever be worth 3 hours of your time.

Hmm, I never said that. In fact, there are plenty of things that could be worth 3 hours of my time.

I can see that there is no point in even attempting to have a logical conversation here. Shine on...

~Sulakhan

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"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."

~Miyamoto Musashi