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Hi, can we please have the bloodworms purged of this area finally? I think the only people who want them there is Empaths, and personally, Empaths don't hunt there so why should it matter to them? All of the low level to mid level people who hunt perfectly in them are being cut out of the picture here because they don't have 120-150ish FA to tend them off. It's really not fair to them.
Thanks, and I hope you atleast consider it this time.
- Amzari Tolerentice, who almost just died of 1 bloodworm because his beam set and he couldn't find the reeds after going east about 30 times.
>>>>Hi, can we please have the bloodworms purged of this area finally? I think the only people who want them there is Empaths, and personally, Empaths don't hunt there so why should it matter to them? All of the low level to mid level people who hunt perfectly in them are being cut out of the picture here because they don't have 120-150ish FA to tend them off. It's really not fair to them.<<<<
as a ranger this is one of my favorite places to hunt right behind the gargs in Shard...and ill say emphatically that i want the worms to stay right where they are
coincidentaly...78 in FA and i can usually tend em off in 2-3 tends...but FA is not the only skill involved in removing them...
Izzit
Master Tanner in Training
as a ranger this is one of my favorite places to hunt right behind the gargs in Shard...and ill say emphatically that i want the worms to stay right where they are
coincidentaly...78 in FA and i can usually tend em off in 2-3 tends...but FA is not the only skill involved in removing them...
Izzit
Master Tanner in Training
From what I understand, Gulph should really be hunting in crocs, but I don't have near enough first aid to deal with a bloodworm. At the rate I've been learning FA, and if what I hear is correct (80 ranks necessary to tend the bloodworms), It'll take me another 3.5 RL years before Gulph can go in there on his own. =/
That's okay, though; I have a ranger who can probably make it there in just 1-2 years. Oh yes. I will see crocs one day. One day....
~player of Gulphphunger
That's okay, though; I have a ranger who can probably make it there in just 1-2 years. Oh yes. I will see crocs one day. One day....
~player of Gulphphunger
I'm talking about all of the people around 20th who couldn't tend a slight with decent RT. The people who give up weapons guilds becaus there's nothing that will teach their weapon ranks that isn't A) Too easy and does't teach. Or B) Too hard and teaches great but they die. I think this goes more over to the barbarians than anyone else, having a low circle barb myself I know that middle level weapons training is really rough right now. I like Gheist's idea and wouldn't mind seeing that or possibly an area without the worms for the younger people.
- Amzari, who just failed to tend a bloodworm 5 times with 103 FA.
- Amzari, who just failed to tend a bloodworm 5 times with 103 FA.
Amzari is right in saying the bloodworms can make crocs a bit too dangerous for lower circles that want to/need to hunt crocs for their skills. The ideal solution would not be to drain the swamp but rather create an area inside the swamp or accessed nearby the swamp that is a bit higher land and still has crocs
>>Amzari is right in saying the bloodworms can make crocs a bit too dangerous for lower circles that want to/need to hunt crocs for their skills. The ideal solution would not be to drain the swamp but rather create an area inside the swamp or accessed nearby the swamp that is a bit higher land and still has crocs
That would be lovely.
~player of Gulphphunger (Circle 27 warmage, 30 FA)
That would be lovely.
~player of Gulphphunger (Circle 27 warmage, 30 FA)
50th barb,close to 90 FA 162 skinning 130 mech 40 agility,and cant remove the blasted things reasonably enough to use em for FA practice.Too many 30 second "you screwed that tend up" messages before the final tend.I think the 30 second RT if anything is the deadliest part,especially if you have multiple worms on you.And they are a bit too hard to tend,there should be a "quick/careful/normal" setting for em like scraping skins and disrarm traps has.
Drachus
Drachus
>I understand the bloodworms are quite a bit harder than one of the varieties of leech in Muspar'i.
Not really. I get about the same success/failure rates on both bloodworms and red leeches, and at the empath meeting where they were announced, the red leeches were said to be 'slightly easier'. I'd estimate maybe 15 ranks easier, give or take 10.
I agree, the bloodworms in crocs make what used to be a good mid-low level hunting ground and made it into a novelty area where you can only hunt for combat experience if your noncombat skills are unusually high. A wormless area (or, even better, an area with much easier worms, like say 50 FA required instead of 100) would do a lot towards making the area more useful to its original target audience.
Kalyn
Not really. I get about the same success/failure rates on both bloodworms and red leeches, and at the empath meeting where they were announced, the red leeches were said to be 'slightly easier'. I'd estimate maybe 15 ranks easier, give or take 10.
I agree, the bloodworms in crocs make what used to be a good mid-low level hunting ground and made it into a novelty area where you can only hunt for combat experience if your noncombat skills are unusually high. A wormless area (or, even better, an area with much easier worms, like say 50 FA required instead of 100) would do a lot towards making the area more useful to its original target audience.
Kalyn
I don't understand why the worms are such a big deal.
The place is swarmming with empaths that will gladly tend them off of you.
I've spent most of today there and not one hunter asked for my help nor seem to need it.
I saw more empaths there than I saw bloodworms on my legs.
Illcram the Evil Empath
The place is swarmming with empaths that will gladly tend them off of you.
I've spent most of today there and not one hunter asked for my help nor seem to need it.
I saw more empaths there than I saw bloodworms on my legs.
Illcram the Evil Empath
>The place is swarmming with empaths that will gladly tend them off of you.
Try Plat or TF. You're lucky to find an empath awake in TF, and there's only one I know of with an autoempath script that will tend worms. He's across the ferry in Haven. I havn't personally experienced plat, and I'm fairly certain you could find an empath eventually, but I've been led to believe that the peak population is like 100-200. Not exact teeming with empaths combing the marsh.
In addition, it's quite possible that a character (who's in the level range, with low-average stamina) hunting there during off-peak hours would die from having multiple bloodworms attach and then having more attach while he's frantically searching for an empath. Plus there's the infections they tend to cause which will cause nasty bleeders quite rapidly with low stamina.
Kalyn
Try Plat or TF. You're lucky to find an empath awake in TF, and there's only one I know of with an autoempath script that will tend worms. He's across the ferry in Haven. I havn't personally experienced plat, and I'm fairly certain you could find an empath eventually, but I've been led to believe that the peak population is like 100-200. Not exact teeming with empaths combing the marsh.
In addition, it's quite possible that a character (who's in the level range, with low-average stamina) hunting there during off-peak hours would die from having multiple bloodworms attach and then having more attach while he's frantically searching for an empath. Plus there's the infections they tend to cause which will cause nasty bleeders quite rapidly with low stamina.
Kalyn
<<Try Plat or TF.>>
Well, I won't speak for those places since I don't play there and this isn't the forum for those places. But there are only two places for me here in Prime to get circling skills from critters and this is one of them. You hunters have many many other places to go if bloodworms are interfering with your enjoyment of the game.
So please don't wish they would take my bloodworms away.
Pretty please with yelith on top?
Illcram the Evil Empath
Well, I won't speak for those places since I don't play there and this isn't the forum for those places. But there are only two places for me here in Prime to get circling skills from critters and this is one of them. You hunters have many many other places to go if bloodworms are interfering with your enjoyment of the game.
So please don't wish they would take my bloodworms away.
Pretty please with yelith on top?
Illcram the Evil Empath
>So please don't wish they would take my bloodworms away.
Uh, we aren't. Or at least, I'm not. I'm suggesting a new area in crocs that has easier bloodworms so that the area can actually be used by the people the area was intended for (ie, 15th-20th circle characters, who don't even have 100 in their primary skillset probably, let alone in FA, mech, and skinning).
Kalyn
Uh, we aren't. Or at least, I'm not. I'm suggesting a new area in crocs that has easier bloodworms so that the area can actually be used by the people the area was intended for (ie, 15th-20th circle characters, who don't even have 100 in their primary skillset probably, let alone in FA, mech, and skinning).
Kalyn
With 105 First Aid, 120 Skinning and 111 Mechanical Lore I usually mess up the removal. Using a skinning knife(perfect condition).
With 30 in Stamina I've come close to dying from the bloodworms a few times.
Crocs are under me by a good deal...and yet I cannot hunt them.
On my few trips there, to take a look at the bloodworms, I don't think I saw a single Empath. Died my very first time around when the worms were released since I was stuck in that 30 second RT when some crocs came in.
All-in-all the place has been rendered practically useless for the range of circles it was intended to serve. Bit of a bummer, for them, I suppose.
-Chris, player of Mad Mage Kilan
The Beginning of the End or Something.
With 30 in Stamina I've come close to dying from the bloodworms a few times.
Crocs are under me by a good deal...and yet I cannot hunt them.
On my few trips there, to take a look at the bloodworms, I don't think I saw a single Empath. Died my very first time around when the worms were released since I was stuck in that 30 second RT when some crocs came in.
All-in-all the place has been rendered practically useless for the range of circles it was intended to serve. Bit of a bummer, for them, I suppose.
-Chris, player of Mad Mage Kilan
The Beginning of the End or Something.
<<Crocs are under me by a good deal...and yet I cannot hunt them.
On my few trips there, to take a look at the bloodworms, I don't think I saw a single Empath. Died my very first time around when the worms were released since I was stuck in that 30 second RT when some crocs came in.>>
If crocs are so far under you, what are you doing getting killed by em? Not critisizing, just wondering. Myself, I like Bloodworms, for both my empaths, as well as my Rangers. Makes it worth going to crocs again.
Mole
Not much call for a barbarian-hairdresser, I expect, I mean, no-one wants a shampoo-and-beheading..
On my few trips there, to take a look at the bloodworms, I don't think I saw a single Empath. Died my very first time around when the worms were released since I was stuck in that 30 second RT when some crocs came in.>>
If crocs are so far under you, what are you doing getting killed by em? Not critisizing, just wondering. Myself, I like Bloodworms, for both my empaths, as well as my Rangers. Makes it worth going to crocs again.
Mole
Not much call for a barbarian-hairdresser, I expect, I mean, no-one wants a shampoo-and-beheading..
>what are you doing getting killed by em?
Sadly, I'm not so above them that I can handle 4 while in a 30 second RT.
I think the bloodworms would be much more appropriate for that area if:
1. They were made a bit more inline with the people that are meant to be hunting crocs.
or
2. They were moved to a more approriate area with creatures of a level matching what bloodworms are around.(Maybe put some aligators or something up there...I dunno.)
-Chris, player of Mad Mage Kilan
The Beginning of the End or Something.
Sadly, I'm not so above them that I can handle 4 while in a 30 second RT.
I think the bloodworms would be much more appropriate for that area if:
1. They were made a bit more inline with the people that are meant to be hunting crocs.
or
2. They were moved to a more approriate area with creatures of a level matching what bloodworms are around.(Maybe put some aligators or something up there...I dunno.)
-Chris, player of Mad Mage Kilan
The Beginning of the End or Something.
I just want to add my vote for the removal of worms in at least some parts of the swamps.
I coud not care less weither they do or not. My only character doesn't need them anymore.
I just recently went back to crocs. Hadn't been there since the bloodworms had made their appearance.
They only teach some of my defenses, no weapon, no TM. I went there mainly to back train shield and get a bit more evasion.
First experience, I come out with 1 worm and almost die before reaching crossing. Nope, could not find an empath on the path along the reeds.
Then I found an easy way to hunt them. Stay in the first room after crossing the reeds since they seem to attach themselves only when one moves from room to room. However, I got sick of sometimes waiting upwards of ten minutes for a critter to join me so I moved to vines and creepers. At least, most my defenses let me survive there. If I was at croc level, I would have been really anoyed.
I coud not care less weither they do or not. My only character doesn't need them anymore.
I just recently went back to crocs. Hadn't been there since the bloodworms had made their appearance.
They only teach some of my defenses, no weapon, no TM. I went there mainly to back train shield and get a bit more evasion.
First experience, I come out with 1 worm and almost die before reaching crossing. Nope, could not find an empath on the path along the reeds.
Then I found an easy way to hunt them. Stay in the first room after crossing the reeds since they seem to attach themselves only when one moves from room to room. However, I got sick of sometimes waiting upwards of ten minutes for a critter to join me so I moved to vines and creepers. At least, most my defenses let me survive there. If I was at croc level, I would have been really anoyed.
First off, I don't want to take anything from empaths.
The leech pits in Muspar'I are very good idea, and my empath managed to train there a bit. <yes, in the red ones>
However, things are made to scale.
Red leeches <easier>
Blood-worms <middle>
Black leeches <hard>
Now--that gives room for empaths with various skill levels.
However, if we were to take SOME of the rooms of the croc swamp and DRAIN the water out of them: <IRL--there are plenty of cultures that have drained swampland or marshland and made productive farmland out of them--the Early egyptians, the Kibbutzniks of Israel, the folks out in our own Florida borders with the everglades> this would reach a happy medium.
Part of the reason why I used to enjoy training in there was when my Paladin used to train there--<although crocs no longer train him--I have other characters who haven't outgrown crocs> was because of the very good holy mana in there. My cleric cannot train armor/weapon in there anymore because he doesn't have the FA you'd need to last long. My paladin died in there trying to rescue someone who was coming back from Riverdale to return to their grave. No more rescue missions for him.
In addition--one cannot stalk nor train stalking in water. This doesn't affect my older character that trains stalk, however when my ranger gets old enough to fight crocs,not being able to train stalking in there is a definate disadvantage.
So the amount of training required to "handle" the bloodworms" is Not imho the same as the skills to handle the regular critters. Therefore the need to divide the area in half and perhaps put tougher critters--alligators maybe--in the area with the bloodworms, and kick the bloodworms out of the new "croc" area.
-me-
The leech pits in Muspar'I are very good idea, and my empath managed to train there a bit. <yes, in the red ones>
However, things are made to scale.
Red leeches <easier>
Blood-worms <middle>
Black leeches <hard>
Now--that gives room for empaths with various skill levels.
However, if we were to take SOME of the rooms of the croc swamp and DRAIN the water out of them: <IRL--there are plenty of cultures that have drained swampland or marshland and made productive farmland out of them--the Early egyptians, the Kibbutzniks of Israel, the folks out in our own Florida borders with the everglades> this would reach a happy medium.
Part of the reason why I used to enjoy training in there was when my Paladin used to train there--<although crocs no longer train him--I have other characters who haven't outgrown crocs> was because of the very good holy mana in there. My cleric cannot train armor/weapon in there anymore because he doesn't have the FA you'd need to last long. My paladin died in there trying to rescue someone who was coming back from Riverdale to return to their grave. No more rescue missions for him.
In addition--one cannot stalk nor train stalking in water. This doesn't affect my older character that trains stalk, however when my ranger gets old enough to fight crocs,not being able to train stalking in there is a definate disadvantage.
So the amount of training required to "handle" the bloodworms" is Not imho the same as the skills to handle the regular critters. Therefore the need to divide the area in half and perhaps put tougher critters--alligators maybe--in the area with the bloodworms, and kick the bloodworms out of the new "croc" area.
-me-
I don't have a problem with having parts of the swamp bloodworm free, but each time I see a post on this topic, I drop back by the swamp and see three empaths waiting to tend worms for every croc I come across and six empaths for every worm that sucks on my legs.
So I continue to fail to see how anyone cannot find aid in this area.
I'm not doubting any you (well I am but I am not saying that) but I just don't understand how this can be.
Maybe you don't know which characters are the empaths. We empaths are the ones wearing all the fluff and munching on yelith roots. :)
Illcram the Evil Empath
So I continue to fail to see how anyone cannot find aid in this area.
I'm not doubting any you (well I am but I am not saying that) but I just don't understand how this can be.
Maybe you don't know which characters are the empaths. We empaths are the ones wearing all the fluff and munching on yelith roots. :)
Illcram the Evil Empath
>>So I continue to fail to see how anyone cannot find aid in this area.
I think some of the ones who cannot find aid are in plat.
Also, I was in there about a month ago, and with 190 in FA, I had worms on me that I could not get off, and at various points of trying to remove them had massive bleeders.. and there were no 'paths there at the time (thank god for herbs)...
Although, probably the one time I've not seen one there.
~Tanshar
I think some of the ones who cannot find aid are in plat.
Also, I was in there about a month ago, and with 190 in FA, I had worms on me that I could not get off, and at various points of trying to remove them had massive bleeders.. and there were no 'paths there at the time (thank god for herbs)...
Although, probably the one time I've not seen one there.
~Tanshar
>>>>I've spent most of today there and not one hunter asked for my help nor seem to need it.
I saw more empaths there than I saw bloodworms on my legs.<<<<
thats always been my experince too,for every 2 worms i get on me i see least 5 empaths roaming about,and i have yet to find one that wont tend a worm offa ya if yas ask em
but i do like the idea about an area that is on higher ground...that way ya keep those of us who like the worms content as well as letting that area be a viable hunting area for those who dont have the tending skills
Izzit
Master Tanner in Training
I saw more empaths there than I saw bloodworms on my legs.<<<<
thats always been my experince too,for every 2 worms i get on me i see least 5 empaths roaming about,and i have yet to find one that wont tend a worm offa ya if yas ask em
but i do like the idea about an area that is on higher ground...that way ya keep those of us who like the worms content as well as letting that area be a viable hunting area for those who dont have the tending skills
Izzit
Master Tanner in Training
>Seem to remember them being ALOT tougher than northern crocs. The water's pretty nasty, too.
I can vouch for this. I no longer learn evasion from the northern crocs unless I have multiple critters, while one of the southern breed will get my evasion moving nice. I believe that the southern breed of crocs will teach in a similar range to vipers, albiet starting a tad lower (for instance, if you can dance with a viper at 150 evasion, 140 will do with the crocs).
And, the water is very, very cold, and will start to sap your fatigue and I believe your vit. As an empath (ie. good stamina, stamina-friendly spells, etc) this was not often a problem for me, and usually my defenses were locked and I was scampering back to a safe room to rest long before the water became deadly. However, you can also get disease from the water there.
And (last one), I am very pleased with the gen rate there, since I have no way to kill them off. But, I have found that the critters tend to gen in a single or pairs, and there will be 5-8 minutes between the next gen when I am the only one there. This may not be enough for a hunter.
Kythryn, who wouldn't mind seeing some blood critters in there too
I can vouch for this. I no longer learn evasion from the northern crocs unless I have multiple critters, while one of the southern breed will get my evasion moving nice. I believe that the southern breed of crocs will teach in a similar range to vipers, albiet starting a tad lower (for instance, if you can dance with a viper at 150 evasion, 140 will do with the crocs).
And, the water is very, very cold, and will start to sap your fatigue and I believe your vit. As an empath (ie. good stamina, stamina-friendly spells, etc) this was not often a problem for me, and usually my defenses were locked and I was scampering back to a safe room to rest long before the water became deadly. However, you can also get disease from the water there.
And (last one), I am very pleased with the gen rate there, since I have no way to kill them off. But, I have found that the critters tend to gen in a single or pairs, and there will be 5-8 minutes between the next gen when I am the only one there. This may not be enough for a hunter.
Kythryn, who wouldn't mind seeing some blood critters in there too
You people need to train firstaid more.
Whats up with you youngsters that dont train firstaid more? Free TDPs
By level 30, as a barbarian, I had 155 firstaid, and now, I can teach most well known empaths firstaid.
#1 Keep a bleeder at all times. Dont worry about infection unless you're extremely young (Ive only gotten 3 infections so far, however)
Slight bleeders teach to about 120,
light - 155
moderate- 180+
heavy 200+
Heavies still teach me very well.... so keep the bleeders. Stop crying about bloodworms.
Piatchi
Whats up with you youngsters that dont train firstaid more? Free TDPs
By level 30, as a barbarian, I had 155 firstaid, and now, I can teach most well known empaths firstaid.
#1 Keep a bleeder at all times. Dont worry about infection unless you're extremely young (Ive only gotten 3 infections so far, however)
Slight bleeders teach to about 120,
light - 155
moderate- 180+
heavy 200+
Heavies still teach me very well.... so keep the bleeders. Stop crying about bloodworms.
Piatchi
>Keep a bleeder at all times. Dont worry about infection unless you're extremely young (Ive only gotten 3 infections so far, however)
Bad advice. Infections positively wreck anyone that has more than one wound. Infections increase the damage level of every would you have, internal and external, and they open up all your scars (also int and ext) to the equivalent level of fresh wound (and leave the scar). They do this every pulse. It's quite easy to get half a dozen heavy bleeders very quickly from an infection, especially in an area like crocs that's a maze with RT every step where you can get numerous leg wounds just by moving.
Kalyn
Bad advice. Infections positively wreck anyone that has more than one wound. Infections increase the damage level of every would you have, internal and external, and they open up all your scars (also int and ext) to the equivalent level of fresh wound (and leave the scar). They do this every pulse. It's quite easy to get half a dozen heavy bleeders very quickly from an infection, especially in an area like crocs that's a maze with RT every step where you can get numerous leg wounds just by moving.
Kalyn
>>Whats up with you youngsters that dont train firstaid more? Free TDPs
Well, I don't like having a pet bleeder. Gulphphunger is not the type of fellow to cut himself and walk around bleeding. He's an Elothean, and walking around wounded just doesn't make any IC sense, so I don't. Thus, no mega first aid ranks.
~player of Gulphphunger
Well, I don't like having a pet bleeder. Gulphphunger is not the type of fellow to cut himself and walk around bleeding. He's an Elothean, and walking around wounded just doesn't make any IC sense, so I don't. Thus, no mega first aid ranks.
~player of Gulphphunger
>>Whats up with you youngsters that dont train firstaid more? Free TDPs
Infection can be quite deadly to a youngin. Had a couple of mine almost die cause it with around 20 stamina cause I got infected quite a ways from town.
Brabs
What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine, what's not bolted down is mine, if it can be pried up it isn't bolted down.
Infection can be quite deadly to a youngin. Had a couple of mine almost die cause it with around 20 stamina cause I got infected quite a ways from town.
Brabs
What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine, what's not bolted down is mine, if it can be pried up it isn't bolted down.
I had a young character die of infection after getting a bleeder to train FA. This was in Plat, and there weren't any empaths with cure disease spell around. Believe me, I chose the spell with my empath there ASAP. Because the hospital doesn't help.
This doesn't look like a good place to finger-waggle.
This doesn't look like a good place to finger-waggle.
<<I had a young character die of infection after getting a bleeder to train FA. This was in Plat, and there weren't any empaths with cure disease spell around. Believe me, I chose the spell with my empath there ASAP. Because the hospital doesn't help.>>
Anytime ya get an infection, feel free to give me a shout. Oleander can take em, assuming I can get to ya, am happy to help out.
Mole and Co.
Of course, just because you've heard a spine-chilling, blood-curdling scream of the sort to make your very marrow freeze in your bones doesn't automatically mean there's anything wrong!
Anytime ya get an infection, feel free to give me a shout. Oleander can take em, assuming I can get to ya, am happy to help out.
Mole and Co.
Of course, just because you've heard a spine-chilling, blood-curdling scream of the sort to make your very marrow freeze in your bones doesn't automatically mean there's anything wrong!
