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Dear Alvy,
Over the last few months, I have relocated to Langenfirth for most of my hunting needs. I am especially fond of the Brocket Deer, down the path toward the Rakash Village. After a couple hours of hunting there, I usually have at least one full bundle of skins, so I mosey back to Langenfirth for some healing and to sell the skins at the peltery.
However, the thing that always gets me is that there are no Banks anywhere in Langenfirth, so I have to run all the way up to Theren and back just to deposit my coins. If it wasn't enough to run ~55 rooms east from Deer to Langen, I then have to run another ~60 rooms north just to get to the nearest bank, then ~115 rooms to get back to the Deer.
Since Langenfirth has pretty much every modern convenience as Theren, and a larger population of players to boot, most would consider it a major town of the Realms. Lang already has a multi-material repair shop, an herbalist, a peltery, a pawnshop, and a couple small weapons shops. That's pretty much all anyone needs to maintain a longterm hunting expedition, except for the fact that one can accumulate several plats worth of skins in a short amount of time, necessitating a long trip out of the way to Theren to keep one's coins safe.
Is there any way that we could have a small bank open up in Langenfirth in the near future? I don't care if the room description just says,
"Bank of Langenfirth" The room is empty save for an ATM machine and a Money Exchange machine. Obvious exits: out.
At this point, anything would be better then going 120 rooms out of my way to Theren after every hunting session. I'm sure the people who hunt Swamp Trolls and Peccaries would enjoy the shorter trips as well.
If you need ideas for a location for a bank, I have a couple suggestions:
1. The crossroads just South and East of the Ranger Guild seems like a good central location.
2. Inside the Tree or inside the Telgar Inn. Both would be more Protected from the general riff-raff, since there's no proper gate around the town.
Anyone else have suggestions?
>>Lang already has a multi-material repair shop, an herbalist, a peltery, a pawnshop, and a couple small weapons shops.<<
You mean I can sell skins in Lang?
10 years I've been playing this game and I've always run to one room southwest of the bank, go door, go passage, go door, remove bundle, sell bundle, stow rope, out, out, out, ne, go bank, north, deposit all, etc, etc,...
I suppose if there's no bank in Lang, then I'll just have to continue to do what I've always done, even though I'm also hunting in brocket deer.
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You mean I can sell skins in Lang?
10 years I've been playing this game and I've always run to one room southwest of the bank, go door, go passage, go door, remove bundle, sell bundle, stow rope, out, out, out, ne, go bank, north, deposit all, etc, etc,...
I suppose if there's no bank in Lang, then I'll just have to continue to do what I've always done, even though I'm also hunting in brocket deer.
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Clerics are on the sectual radar.
Just to be clear - I didn't do it. Not sure who did, but it wasn't me.
- GM Raesh
>> You mean I can sell skins in Lang?
Yes, you can sell skins in Lang.... but then you have to run way north with your pockets full of cash to deposit it. Not sure of the point of having a peltery and pawnshop in Lang if there's no bank.
The Peltery is at the eastern room of the four rooms surrounding the big Tree that you can go inside of.
Yes, you can sell skins in Lang.... but then you have to run way north with your pockets full of cash to deposit it. Not sure of the point of having a peltery and pawnshop in Lang if there's no bank.
The Peltery is at the eastern room of the four rooms surrounding the big Tree that you can go inside of.
I just ran from the peltery in Lang to the bank teller in Theren, typed depo all and ran back. It took less than a minute.
If the issue is carying coin that far, then take your bundle with you.
~Sulakhan
"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."
~Miyamoto Musashi
If the issue is carying coin that far, then take your bundle with you.
~Sulakhan
"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."
~Miyamoto Musashi
>Not sure of the point of having a peltery and pawnshop in Lang if there's no bank
So you don't have to run all the way to Theren if you want to buy something in Lang... I seriously use the peltery and my bundle as the Lang bank when I need to buy herbs. Pull out some skins, sell them until I have enough, and then go to the shop. If my bundle is full, I run to Theren to deposit it.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Expert Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
So you don't have to run all the way to Theren if you want to buy something in Lang... I seriously use the peltery and my bundle as the Lang bank when I need to buy herbs. Pull out some skins, sell them until I have enough, and then go to the shop. If my bundle is full, I run to Theren to deposit it.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Expert Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
it would be kind of redundant, with a premie bank right down the street in elbains.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
>>Is it a big deal there is no bank in Lang? No... Would it be cool if there was? Yes... Why do you have to shoot it down and say it took a minute or so to run north?
Because it would make Langenfirth switch from wilderness to urban, which is pretty much exactly what has been avoided for some time, even though the population has grown steadily.
It's not the same case as Rossman's (which, incidentally, does not have a repairperson, which must suck for people who can't swim the Jantspyre), which has a gem buyer which, for the convenience of DIY significantly underpays you, and an ATM, which charges a huge fee to deposit to Riverhaven.
People often have unvoiced motivations to resist changes, particularly if the area being changed is their "home area." One thing I have kind of been confused by is why you can't just swim across Lake Gwendalion, assuming your swimming is high enough.
Because it would make Langenfirth switch from wilderness to urban, which is pretty much exactly what has been avoided for some time, even though the population has grown steadily.
It's not the same case as Rossman's (which, incidentally, does not have a repairperson, which must suck for people who can't swim the Jantspyre), which has a gem buyer which, for the convenience of DIY significantly underpays you, and an ATM, which charges a huge fee to deposit to Riverhaven.
People often have unvoiced motivations to resist changes, particularly if the area being changed is their "home area." One thing I have kind of been confused by is why you can't just swim across Lake Gwendalion, assuming your swimming is high enough.
I like the small-town outpost feel of Lang. A Rangers Guild was set up there, instead of in a major town like Theren/Haven. Pelts and bows and wilderness stuff. While there might be more PCs in Lang than Theren because of hunting, Theren City would have a much higher population of commoners.
I'm not trying to shoot down convenience for players, but I hope that in any development for Lang it doesn't move towards a metropolis. Theren really isn't that far off.
Jalika
After a long deliberation, the judge finally says, "Jalika, this court finds you innocent of the charges brought upon you. You are free to go. Guards, please return this woman's things.
I'm not trying to shoot down convenience for players, but I hope that in any development for Lang it doesn't move towards a metropolis. Theren really isn't that far off.
Jalika
After a long deliberation, the judge finally says, "Jalika, this court finds you innocent of the charges brought upon you. You are free to go. Guards, please return this woman's things.
>> I like the small-town outpost feel of Lang. A Rangers Guild was set up there, instead of in a major town like Theren/Haven.
And I enjoy the Frontier-like feel of Lang, as well, and I hope that doesn't go away... I just think Lang is long overdue for a bank.
I did some research and Lang is the largest town in Elanthia that still doesn't have it's own bank. Even Dirge has one, and its about half the size of Lang and has far less adventurers passing through it. Boar Clan is about 8 rooms big and has a small bank for certain guilds. Raven's Point is tiny and has a bank. Even the Vykathi infested Fortress of Chyolvea Tayeu'a has a bank, though I have no idea what bank tellers would be crazy enough to venture there for their full-time job.
All that to say, DragonRealms is a dynamic game, full of developing plot-lines with new creatures, locations, and content being added regularly. I see no reason why Langenfirth cannot grow from a sleepy outpost in the woods to more of a Woodsmans/Hunters haven that serves as a crossroad of sorts between Theren, Haven, and Siksraja. (In fact, that is already what it has become, although the statically programmed NPCs of Lang have not yet realized it).
When I was backpacking through Laos a few years ago, we stopped at a small backpackers' haven called Vang Vieng. It was (and probably always will be) a rustic, backpackers town, that served as a stop-over for people traveling north or south along the main road. However, it still had some more modern conveniences like a Hospital (which I unfortunately spent the night in with food-poisoning), restaurants (the source of the food poisoning), and banks (to purchase the ill-prepared food). The presence of the hospitals, schools, banks, etc... didn't take away from it's charm as a rustic outpost, but rather they sprang up to meet the needs of the growing amount of traffic caused by travelers passing through the town.
In the same way, I think Langenfirth could have a few 'modern conveniences' added to meet the needs of the increasing population of local travelers, without it giving up it's Tree-laden charm :)
And I enjoy the Frontier-like feel of Lang, as well, and I hope that doesn't go away... I just think Lang is long overdue for a bank.
I did some research and Lang is the largest town in Elanthia that still doesn't have it's own bank. Even Dirge has one, and its about half the size of Lang and has far less adventurers passing through it. Boar Clan is about 8 rooms big and has a small bank for certain guilds. Raven's Point is tiny and has a bank. Even the Vykathi infested Fortress of Chyolvea Tayeu'a has a bank, though I have no idea what bank tellers would be crazy enough to venture there for their full-time job.
All that to say, DragonRealms is a dynamic game, full of developing plot-lines with new creatures, locations, and content being added regularly. I see no reason why Langenfirth cannot grow from a sleepy outpost in the woods to more of a Woodsmans/Hunters haven that serves as a crossroad of sorts between Theren, Haven, and Siksraja. (In fact, that is already what it has become, although the statically programmed NPCs of Lang have not yet realized it).
When I was backpacking through Laos a few years ago, we stopped at a small backpackers' haven called Vang Vieng. It was (and probably always will be) a rustic, backpackers town, that served as a stop-over for people traveling north or south along the main road. However, it still had some more modern conveniences like a Hospital (which I unfortunately spent the night in with food-poisoning), restaurants (the source of the food poisoning), and banks (to purchase the ill-prepared food). The presence of the hospitals, schools, banks, etc... didn't take away from it's charm as a rustic outpost, but rather they sprang up to meet the needs of the growing amount of traffic caused by travelers passing through the town.
In the same way, I think Langenfirth could have a few 'modern conveniences' added to meet the needs of the increasing population of local travelers, without it giving up it's Tree-laden charm :)
I guess I think it would be silly to have a bank in Lang and Theren because of how easy it is to get to Theren from Lang.
Also, I hate to see benefits I am paying extra for become useless as would be the case with the El Bains premie bank.
~Sulakhan
"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."
~Miyamoto Musashi
Also, I hate to see benefits I am paying extra for become useless as would be the case with the El Bains premie bank.
~Sulakhan
"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."
~Miyamoto Musashi
>> I guess I think it would be silly to have a bank in Lang and Theren because of how easy it is to get to Theren from Lang.
Its about a 150 room round trip from the Lang Bin to the Theren Bank and back (plus a few more if selling bundles). Even though it can be scripted, I think its safe to stay that's a relatively long distance. (I doubt the local townspeople of Lang want to travel that far just to go to the bank). To put it in perspective, it's about 145 rooms from the Northeast Gate of Crossing to the East Gate of Riverhaven (if swimming the Faldesu River).
To contrast, there are two banks in Hibarnhvidar that are only 9 rooms apart. If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
For an in-game argument, Langenfirth is a town that is in the woods and so more cut off from civilization than many other towns. If the people of the town have this isolation mindset, then logically, they would probably keep as many services inside their town as they could, especially a bank. They already have the right idea with the peltery, pawnshow, herbalist and such. This is really the only other addition they need to keep themselves properly isolated from more urban Theren society. After all, if they liked going to the city, they wouldnt' have moved to Lang in the first place. I don't see why the local population should have to make the long trek to Theren several times a day just to keep one's coins safe.
Its about a 150 room round trip from the Lang Bin to the Theren Bank and back (plus a few more if selling bundles). Even though it can be scripted, I think its safe to stay that's a relatively long distance. (I doubt the local townspeople of Lang want to travel that far just to go to the bank). To put it in perspective, it's about 145 rooms from the Northeast Gate of Crossing to the East Gate of Riverhaven (if swimming the Faldesu River).
To contrast, there are two banks in Hibarnhvidar that are only 9 rooms apart. If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
For an in-game argument, Langenfirth is a town that is in the woods and so more cut off from civilization than many other towns. If the people of the town have this isolation mindset, then logically, they would probably keep as many services inside their town as they could, especially a bank. They already have the right idea with the peltery, pawnshow, herbalist and such. This is really the only other addition they need to keep themselves properly isolated from more urban Theren society. After all, if they liked going to the city, they wouldnt' have moved to Lang in the first place. I don't see why the local population should have to make the long trek to Theren several times a day just to keep one's coins safe.
>Also, I hate to see benefits I am paying extra for become useless as would be the case with the El Bains premie bank.
To be honest, it isn't much of a benefit since El'Bains is even closer to Theren than Lang is. You get a lower exchange rate though... plus the hammocks!
>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.
To be honest, it isn't much of a benefit since El'Bains is even closer to Theren than Lang is. You get a lower exchange rate though... plus the hammocks!
>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.
>To contrast, there are two banks in Hibarnhvidar that are only 9 rooms apart. If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
This is why I don't bother giving a polite answer. Good luck getting getting that third bank.
~Sulakhan
"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."
~Miyamoto Musashi
This is why I don't bother giving a polite answer. Good luck getting getting that third bank.
~Sulakhan
"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."
~Miyamoto Musashi
Probably-dumb question, but since there are fest portals in a few places around the world, I take it that means I don't have to head down to Ilithi (and, in turn, lug coins down there), right?
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nope. all the entrances are inside town though, so you might wanna put up eotb first. unlike the "festival meeting portal" which is to the seacaves, for the hallows eve you can get there while under this spell. Unfortunately, you can't cast any magic or even perceive such once inside.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
>>Its about a 150 room round trip from the Lang Bin to the Theren Bank and back (plus a few more if selling bundles). Even though it can be scripted, I think its safe to stay that's a relatively long distance. (I doubt the local townspeople of Lang want to travel that far just to go to the bank). To put it in perspective, it's about 145 rooms from the Northeast Gate of Crossing to the East Gate of Riverhaven (if swimming the Faldesu River).
It takes 15-16 seconds each way for you from Lang-Theren. "Oh my god think of the imperceptible non-player characters!" rings pretty false with me. Chances are they're in Lang because they want to be there. Ergo, they enjoy the "isolation." Even if all these adventurers are ruining it.
>>To contrast, there are two banks in Hibarnhvidar that are only 9 rooms apart. If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
You really haven't got a solid argument and this ad hominen attack just underlines that fact.
>>For an in-game argument, Langenfirth is a town that is in the woods and so more cut off from civilization than many other towns. If the people of the town have this isolation mindset, then logically, they would probably keep as many services inside their town as they could, especially a bank. They already have the right idea with the peltery, pawnshow, herbalist and such. This is really the only other addition they need to keep themselves properly isolated from more urban Theren society. After all, if they liked going to the city, they wouldnt' have moved to Lang in the first place. I don't see why the local population should have to make the long trek to Theren several times a day just to keep one's coins safe.
As I explained above, Langenfirth is a village almost certainly inhabited entirely by people who enjoy the quietude and escape from cities and towns and farming and what-have-you.
Dirge has a bank because of Elanthian history. Short version: it used to be a major settlement.
Hibarn has two banks...I can't really explain that one, except to say that Inner Hibarn is supposed to have been a metropolis.
Saying Langenfirth needs a bank is like saying Fever Point needs a bank. Sure, it'd be convenient for adventurers, but who else would use it? Pig farmers? I sincerely doubt Elanthian bankers would see the reasoning for that.
It takes 15-16 seconds each way for you from Lang-Theren. "Oh my god think of the imperceptible non-player characters!" rings pretty false with me. Chances are they're in Lang because they want to be there. Ergo, they enjoy the "isolation." Even if all these adventurers are ruining it.
>>To contrast, there are two banks in Hibarnhvidar that are only 9 rooms apart. If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
You really haven't got a solid argument and this ad hominen attack just underlines that fact.
>>For an in-game argument, Langenfirth is a town that is in the woods and so more cut off from civilization than many other towns. If the people of the town have this isolation mindset, then logically, they would probably keep as many services inside their town as they could, especially a bank. They already have the right idea with the peltery, pawnshow, herbalist and such. This is really the only other addition they need to keep themselves properly isolated from more urban Theren society. After all, if they liked going to the city, they wouldnt' have moved to Lang in the first place. I don't see why the local population should have to make the long trek to Theren several times a day just to keep one's coins safe.
As I explained above, Langenfirth is a village almost certainly inhabited entirely by people who enjoy the quietude and escape from cities and towns and farming and what-have-you.
Dirge has a bank because of Elanthian history. Short version: it used to be a major settlement.
Hibarn has two banks...I can't really explain that one, except to say that Inner Hibarn is supposed to have been a metropolis.
Saying Langenfirth needs a bank is like saying Fever Point needs a bank. Sure, it'd be convenient for adventurers, but who else would use it? Pig farmers? I sincerely doubt Elanthian bankers would see the reasoning for that.
Futility,
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I can see you feel very passionately about your position. I'll try to answer each section as best I can. I hope we can continue this discussion in a respectful and gentlemanly manner.
>> "Oh my god think of the imperceptible non-player characters!" rings pretty false with me.
Not an actual quote. But if you read back a few posts, you see that ASHBOMB was saying that the players aren't really part of the town (even if they own houses there)... implying that it's the computer pixel people who are really the townsfolk. I was mostly responding to ASHBOMB, saying that if the NPC townsfolk are the important ones, wouldn't they prefer a closer bank, too for in-game reasons?
Personally, I believe that players can be part of a town too, especially if they own homes in the area and support the local economy through hunting and such. As such, a town with a growing population base would find a bank to be very convenient.
>> Chances are they're in Lang because they want to be there... Langenfirth is a village almost certainly inhabited entirely by people who enjoy the quietude and escape from cities and towns and farming and what-have-you.
Exactly my point too! I'm glad we agree on this :) If they are happy living in a rural area, why would they want to travel to an urban city daily for their banking needs? Outdoorsy people are generally very resourceful and they would have come up with a solution by now to allow themselves to stay out of the city. Even frontier settlements can (and did) have banks without giving up their rural-ness.
>> SULAKHAN: I think it would be silly to have a bank in Lang and Theren because of how easy it is to get to Theren from Lang.
>> MARKCAT120: There are two banks in Hibarnhvidar that are only 9 rooms apart. If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
>> FUTILITY: You really haven't got a solid argument and this ad hominen attack just underlines that fact.
>> FUTILITY: Hibarn has two banks...I can't really explain that one, except to say that Inner Hibarn is supposed to have been a metropolis.
So... are you saying that because Inner Hib is a metropolis, it's okay for there to be another bank on the outskirts? I think that's reinforcing my position. You are saying a metropolis can have a bank, and a nearby area on the outskirts can have a bank as well. This is the same thing with Theren/Lang.
Also, I want to say that there was nothing 'ad hominen' about my statement. 'Ad hominen' is an attack on someone's character to try to discredit their argument. (How can you take him seriously? He can't even tie his own shoes! <-- That's ad hominem). I didn't attack Sulakhan, I was countering his argument that "it is silly to have a bank in Lang and Theren" by pointing out that the GM's have put banks near each other in the past (and they didn't think it was silly), yet Sulakhan did not take issue with that.
P.S. Sulakhan, I do value your opinion and I hope we can continue to dialog about this. I will admit that my prior comment about the Hib folders may have been a bit snarky and I apologize. I will say that I was a bit hurt that you wrote off my idea (which I am passionate about) as just something 'silly.' Hopefully we can both refrain from such comments in the future.
>> Saying Langenfirth needs a bank is like saying Fever Point needs a bank. Sure, it'd be convenient for adventurers, but who else would use it?
I'm not familiar with Fever Point. Is that a nickname for Raven's Point? Raven's Point does have a bank and the town is much smaller than Lang... are you arguing that it should be removed? It also has a furrier, a gem shop, two stores, and a Trader Post. I imagine the Traders and shopkeepers would use the bank often, along with all the travelers who pass through.
Langenfirth also has a furrier, general store, Trader Post, along with a Town Hall, a Temple, a Casino Barge that docks there, rentable boats, leather shops, a forge, a Ranger Guild, player homes, and furniture stores. It's a busy frontier town in the woods that's become a crossroads of Therengia and arguably an economic stronghold of the north, as well as a popular launching point for hunting expeditions, yet it still lacks something as basic as a bank. I think the absence of a bank is probably the most strange thing about the town. You'd think an NPC would have thought by now, "Wow, with all this traffic through town, I could make a fortune if I open a bank here!"
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I can see you feel very passionately about your position. I'll try to answer each section as best I can. I hope we can continue this discussion in a respectful and gentlemanly manner.
>> "Oh my god think of the imperceptible non-player characters!" rings pretty false with me.
Not an actual quote. But if you read back a few posts, you see that ASHBOMB was saying that the players aren't really part of the town (even if they own houses there)... implying that it's the computer pixel people who are really the townsfolk. I was mostly responding to ASHBOMB, saying that if the NPC townsfolk are the important ones, wouldn't they prefer a closer bank, too for in-game reasons?
Personally, I believe that players can be part of a town too, especially if they own homes in the area and support the local economy through hunting and such. As such, a town with a growing population base would find a bank to be very convenient.
>> Chances are they're in Lang because they want to be there... Langenfirth is a village almost certainly inhabited entirely by people who enjoy the quietude and escape from cities and towns and farming and what-have-you.
Exactly my point too! I'm glad we agree on this :) If they are happy living in a rural area, why would they want to travel to an urban city daily for their banking needs? Outdoorsy people are generally very resourceful and they would have come up with a solution by now to allow themselves to stay out of the city. Even frontier settlements can (and did) have banks without giving up their rural-ness.
>> SULAKHAN: I think it would be silly to have a bank in Lang and Theren because of how easy it is to get to Theren from Lang.
>> MARKCAT120: There are two banks in Hibarnhvidar that are only 9 rooms apart. If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
>> FUTILITY: You really haven't got a solid argument and this ad hominen attack just underlines that fact.
>> FUTILITY: Hibarn has two banks...I can't really explain that one, except to say that Inner Hibarn is supposed to have been a metropolis.
So... are you saying that because Inner Hib is a metropolis, it's okay for there to be another bank on the outskirts? I think that's reinforcing my position. You are saying a metropolis can have a bank, and a nearby area on the outskirts can have a bank as well. This is the same thing with Theren/Lang.
Also, I want to say that there was nothing 'ad hominen' about my statement. 'Ad hominen' is an attack on someone's character to try to discredit their argument. (How can you take him seriously? He can't even tie his own shoes! <-- That's ad hominem). I didn't attack Sulakhan, I was countering his argument that "it is silly to have a bank in Lang and Theren" by pointing out that the GM's have put banks near each other in the past (and they didn't think it was silly), yet Sulakhan did not take issue with that.
P.S. Sulakhan, I do value your opinion and I hope we can continue to dialog about this. I will admit that my prior comment about the Hib folders may have been a bit snarky and I apologize. I will say that I was a bit hurt that you wrote off my idea (which I am passionate about) as just something 'silly.' Hopefully we can both refrain from such comments in the future.
>> Saying Langenfirth needs a bank is like saying Fever Point needs a bank. Sure, it'd be convenient for adventurers, but who else would use it?
I'm not familiar with Fever Point. Is that a nickname for Raven's Point? Raven's Point does have a bank and the town is much smaller than Lang... are you arguing that it should be removed? It also has a furrier, a gem shop, two stores, and a Trader Post. I imagine the Traders and shopkeepers would use the bank often, along with all the travelers who pass through.
Langenfirth also has a furrier, general store, Trader Post, along with a Town Hall, a Temple, a Casino Barge that docks there, rentable boats, leather shops, a forge, a Ranger Guild, player homes, and furniture stores. It's a busy frontier town in the woods that's become a crossroads of Therengia and arguably an economic stronghold of the north, as well as a popular launching point for hunting expeditions, yet it still lacks something as basic as a bank. I think the absence of a bank is probably the most strange thing about the town. You'd think an NPC would have thought by now, "Wow, with all this traffic through town, I could make a fortune if I open a bank here!"
Fever Point is on the islands. Much like Lang it is a small rural village area that does not have a bank.
Well put on your discussions, however they do not cover the logisitics of the atmosphere.
Since you've decided to be mature in your responses, I'll return the favor.
The towns that have banks, despite the player population, are towns. They have other facilities as well. Langenfirth has a certain atmosphere that denotes "we don't like civilizational trappings". It is rustic, a Ranger's dream. While not trying to speak for everyone, players who buy homes there typically do so because the atmosphere suits their character.
There are specific facilities available in Lang that do mesh with the ambiance of the area. A bank is not one of them.
Well put on your discussions, however they do not cover the logisitics of the atmosphere.
Since you've decided to be mature in your responses, I'll return the favor.
The towns that have banks, despite the player population, are towns. They have other facilities as well. Langenfirth has a certain atmosphere that denotes "we don't like civilizational trappings". It is rustic, a Ranger's dream. While not trying to speak for everyone, players who buy homes there typically do so because the atmosphere suits their character.
There are specific facilities available in Lang that do mesh with the ambiance of the area. A bank is not one of them.
>>Fever Point is on the islands. Much like Lang it is a small rural village area that does not have a bank.
What he said.
>>if the NPC townsfolk are the important ones, wouldn't they prefer a closer bank, too for in-game reasons?
No, no they would not. I'm pretty sure this one has been run into the ground. The citizenry of Langenfirth likes their village woodsy and quiet. All the adventurers being there of late hasn't really changed much.
>>Personally, I believe that players can be part of a town too, especially if they own homes in the area and support the local economy through hunting and such. As such, a town with a growing population base would find a bank to be very convenient.
Not germane to the discussion; we're talking about the village of Langenfirth, whether or not we're considering the player homes part of the town or not.
>>Exactly my point too! I'm glad we agree on this :)
We don't. Stop being disingenuous.
>>If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
>>Also, I want to say that there was nothing 'ad hominen' about my statement. 'Ad hominen' is an attack on someone's character to try to discredit their argument.
That is where, and when, and what is an ad hominen attack. You fail to address the point, and simply dismiss the belief expressed.
>>So... are you saying that because Inner Hib is a metropolis, it's okay for there to be another bank on the outskirts? I think that's reinforcing my position. You are saying a metropolis can have a bank, and a nearby area on the outskirts can have a bank as well. This is the same thing with Theren/Lang.
No it is not the same thing. Hibarn has two banks inside Hibarn. Because it's a metropolis. I guess. It's really hard to figure out why it has two banks, to be honest.
>>Langenfirth also has a furrier, general store, Trader Post, along with a Town Hall, a Temple, a Casino Barge that docks there, rentable boats, leather shops, a forge, a Ranger Guild, player homes, and furniture stores. It's a busy frontier town in the woods that's become a crossroads of Therengia and arguably an economic stronghold of the north, as well as a popular launching point for hunting expeditions, yet it still lacks something as basic as a bank. I think the absence of a bank is probably the most strange thing about the town. You'd think an NPC would have thought by now, "Wow, with all this traffic through town, I could make a fortune if I open a bank here!"
Cool. Short answer: because it would render a Premium benefit meaningless.
What he said.
>>if the NPC townsfolk are the important ones, wouldn't they prefer a closer bank, too for in-game reasons?
No, no they would not. I'm pretty sure this one has been run into the ground. The citizenry of Langenfirth likes their village woodsy and quiet. All the adventurers being there of late hasn't really changed much.
>>Personally, I believe that players can be part of a town too, especially if they own homes in the area and support the local economy through hunting and such. As such, a town with a growing population base would find a bank to be very convenient.
Not germane to the discussion; we're talking about the village of Langenfirth, whether or not we're considering the player homes part of the town or not.
>>Exactly my point too! I'm glad we agree on this :)
We don't. Stop being disingenuous.
>>If you feel that strongly about banks being near each other, you should post your concerns in the Hibarnhvidar folder.
>>Also, I want to say that there was nothing 'ad hominen' about my statement. 'Ad hominen' is an attack on someone's character to try to discredit their argument.
That is where, and when, and what is an ad hominen attack. You fail to address the point, and simply dismiss the belief expressed.
>>So... are you saying that because Inner Hib is a metropolis, it's okay for there to be another bank on the outskirts? I think that's reinforcing my position. You are saying a metropolis can have a bank, and a nearby area on the outskirts can have a bank as well. This is the same thing with Theren/Lang.
No it is not the same thing. Hibarn has two banks inside Hibarn. Because it's a metropolis. I guess. It's really hard to figure out why it has two banks, to be honest.
>>Langenfirth also has a furrier, general store, Trader Post, along with a Town Hall, a Temple, a Casino Barge that docks there, rentable boats, leather shops, a forge, a Ranger Guild, player homes, and furniture stores. It's a busy frontier town in the woods that's become a crossroads of Therengia and arguably an economic stronghold of the north, as well as a popular launching point for hunting expeditions, yet it still lacks something as basic as a bank. I think the absence of a bank is probably the most strange thing about the town. You'd think an NPC would have thought by now, "Wow, with all this traffic through town, I could make a fortune if I open a bank here!"
Cool. Short answer: because it would render a Premium benefit meaningless.
>> Fever Point is on the islands. Much like Lang it is a small rural village area that does not have a bank.
Ah, thanks! I was unaware of the existence of Fever Point. I'll have to visit it sometime.
>> Well put on your discussions, however they do not cover the logisitics of the atmosphere.
Thank you, and I am interested to hear what others have to say, so long as it's more constructive than "it would be silly" or "use your super hero powers."
>> Langenfirth has a certain atmosphere that denotes "we don't like civilizational trappings". It is rustic, a Ranger's dream. While not trying to speak for everyone, players who buy homes there typically do so because the atmosphere suits their character.
>> There are specific facilities available in Lang that do mesh with the ambiance of the area. A bank is not one of them.
This has been the best counter argument I've heard so far.
My only response is that if the people of Lang don't like civilization, then they wouldn't want to travel to Theren to deposit their coins... they would want to stay in Lang or in the outdoors somewhere. Maybe there are magical knotholes in the great tree where everyone stashes their coins? I don't know, but they must keep their coins somewhere. I doubt they all keep it in there mattresses at home. Especially if Lang has a Casino barge that comes everyday, it must have a lot of cash flow through the town.
Ah, thanks! I was unaware of the existence of Fever Point. I'll have to visit it sometime.
>> Well put on your discussions, however they do not cover the logisitics of the atmosphere.
Thank you, and I am interested to hear what others have to say, so long as it's more constructive than "it would be silly" or "use your super hero powers."
>> Langenfirth has a certain atmosphere that denotes "we don't like civilizational trappings". It is rustic, a Ranger's dream. While not trying to speak for everyone, players who buy homes there typically do so because the atmosphere suits their character.
>> There are specific facilities available in Lang that do mesh with the ambiance of the area. A bank is not one of them.
This has been the best counter argument I've heard so far.
My only response is that if the people of Lang don't like civilization, then they wouldn't want to travel to Theren to deposit their coins... they would want to stay in Lang or in the outdoors somewhere. Maybe there are magical knotholes in the great tree where everyone stashes their coins? I don't know, but they must keep their coins somewhere. I doubt they all keep it in there mattresses at home. Especially if Lang has a Casino barge that comes everyday, it must have a lot of cash flow through the town.
>> How about a ranger operated runner service that you could give your coins to, and they would go deposit them in the Theren bank? Might cost few silvers and might be slow...
I like Worrclan's idea. Something that functioned like a bank, but we don't have to call it a bank. Maybe it could be a service of the Ranger guild.
We could go to a tent in the guild and request a NPC Ranger to trail hop to Theren and deposit our coins in the bank for us.
OR also, maybe something with the Town Hall. Maybe we can get a little safe deposit box and keep coins in there, but it would have a limit... like 10 platinum. After that it would be full and we'd have to take our loot to Theren to properly deposit it before we could store more coins in our box. Maybe we could combine this with the Ranger idea. When the box gets full, we pay a small fee to an NPC ranger to take the box to Theren to deposit it.
Just some ideas. We can always hope, right? Thanks Worrclan for your support!
I like Worrclan's idea. Something that functioned like a bank, but we don't have to call it a bank. Maybe it could be a service of the Ranger guild.
We could go to a tent in the guild and request a NPC Ranger to trail hop to Theren and deposit our coins in the bank for us.
OR also, maybe something with the Town Hall. Maybe we can get a little safe deposit box and keep coins in there, but it would have a limit... like 10 platinum. After that it would be full and we'd have to take our loot to Theren to properly deposit it before we could store more coins in our box. Maybe we could combine this with the Ranger idea. When the box gets full, we pay a small fee to an NPC ranger to take the box to Theren to deposit it.
Just some ideas. We can always hope, right? Thanks Worrclan for your support!
make it a bank like at Rossman's, can deposit for a fee (think 10%) and they run it to your riverhaven accout. Could do the exact same thing and with the fee not infringe on the premie angle.
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A few comments about Langenfirth and it's history. Langenfirth is on the lands of one of the noble houses of Therengia and is a small town that is allowed to be there by the good graces of that noble. The people that do live there are a part of the larger population of Therengia not part of an isolated village. And as part of a larger population there are things they will need to travel for besides the basics provided for in Langenfirth and that includes the bank.
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<< A few comments about Langenfirth and it's history. >>
Leave it to DR-QUAREL to end a quarrel! :)
While I'm sad to hear that there are no plans to add a bank to Langenfirth in the near future, your post did make me curious about Langenfirth Lore in general. Over the past few days, I searched all over Langenfirth for any books on the history and lore of the town, but I couldn't locate anything. Is the lore that you mentioned about Langenfirth recorded anywhere in the game or website, or is it just "secret behind-the-scenes GM Lore" (TM) that only comes out when discussions like this arise? Any info would be appreciated... Thanks!
Leave it to DR-QUAREL to end a quarrel! :)
While I'm sad to hear that there are no plans to add a bank to Langenfirth in the near future, your post did make me curious about Langenfirth Lore in general. Over the past few days, I searched all over Langenfirth for any books on the history and lore of the town, but I couldn't locate anything. Is the lore that you mentioned about Langenfirth recorded anywhere in the game or website, or is it just "secret behind-the-scenes GM Lore" (TM) that only comes out when discussions like this arise? Any info would be appreciated... Thanks!
i believe it was posted awhile back when there was a post concerning the therengian nobility.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
