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I recently bought this old bandolier from another player: https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Bandolier_heavily_covered_with_thick_leather_leaves_dyed_in_varying_shades_of_green_and_brown
The shop description of it says, "Holds Knives Only! These bandoliers are 'especially light and a touch magical.'" What the seller told me is that they are not supposed to count the weight of the daggers inside them.
Messaging indicates this too:
>wear band
You strap a bandolier heavily covered with thick leather leaves dyed in varying shades of green and brown across your chest.
It falls into place, light as an Elf's whisper.
>get dagg from band
The throwing dagger slides easily out of the leaf bandolier. Strangely, the bandolier doesn't seem any less full.
>put dagg in band
The throwing dagger slides easily into the leaf bandolier. Strangely, the bandolier doesn't seem any fuller.
However, when I weighed it, with all 5 daggers it was 60 stones, and when I removed the daggers one by one it went to 50, 40, 30, etc.
I'm just wondering if the bandolier is actually intended to reduce weight, if it might be doing so in a way that MAMAS can't detect (i.e., only when worn), or if it's bugged.
Basically, should I ask for my money back?
-- Player of Eyuve
Is the Weight: 10 stones correct on Epedia? And how much do the knives weigh? It might lower the weight, not negate it. Or since older item 3.0/1 didn't get factored in like some older magic items.
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[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
>>Is the Weight: 10 stones correct on Epedia? And how much do the knives weigh? It might lower the weight, not negate it.
Yes, the bandolier by itself is 10 stones. The daggers are 10 stones each. So, according to MAMAS, no weight reduction at all. I also tried appraising it myself, in case maybe the reduction happens when worn, and that's not the case either.
>>Or since older item 3.0/1 didn't get factored in like some older magic items.
I don't know. Maybe? If anyone had one pre-3.0 and could tell me whether they worked as advertised then, that would be a help.
-- Player of Eyuve
Yes, the bandolier by itself is 10 stones. The daggers are 10 stones each. So, according to MAMAS, no weight reduction at all. I also tried appraising it myself, in case maybe the reduction happens when worn, and that's not the case either.
>>Or since older item 3.0/1 didn't get factored in like some older magic items.
I don't know. Maybe? If anyone had one pre-3.0 and could tell me whether they worked as advertised then, that would be a help.
-- Player of Eyuve
Wondering if MAMAS just weighs things in a manner that would ignore those enchantments. Does it appraise at 10/20/30/40/etc?
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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Or is the weight reduction applied only while the bandolier is being worn?
Could the bandolier reduce the weight of other types of throwing daggers down to 10 stone? Have you tried putting in other types of throwing daggers?
I seem to recall a similar discussion when these bandoliers were sold. Someone tried to verify that it worked as the signs and verbs implied. At the time, MAMA's gave a similar contrary result. I forget if we ever figured out what made these items special, if anything, or not.
Do I think the trader duped you? No. He or she probably thought it worked as the messaging indicated. Could the bandolier be buggy or just give fluff messaging (instead of a mechanical benefit), possibly. I think it needs more testing.
Nikpack
Could the bandolier reduce the weight of other types of throwing daggers down to 10 stone? Have you tried putting in other types of throwing daggers?
I seem to recall a similar discussion when these bandoliers were sold. Someone tried to verify that it worked as the signs and verbs implied. At the time, MAMA's gave a similar contrary result. I forget if we ever figured out what made these items special, if anything, or not.
Do I think the trader duped you? No. He or she probably thought it worked as the messaging indicated. Could the bandolier be buggy or just give fluff messaging (instead of a mechanical benefit), possibly. I think it needs more testing.
Nikpack
> Does it appraise at 10/20/30/40/etc?
> Or is the weight reduction applied only while the bandolier is being worn?
She said she appraised it while worn and saw no reduction.
> I think it needs more testing.
Really the best way to test would be withdraw coins until you're exactly 1 coin into the next weight category. Then move a knife from your backpack to the bandolier and see if you change weight categories.
> Or is the weight reduction applied only while the bandolier is being worn?
She said she appraised it while worn and saw no reduction.
> I think it needs more testing.
Really the best way to test would be withdraw coins until you're exactly 1 coin into the next weight category. Then move a knife from your backpack to the bandolier and see if you change weight categories.
>If I recall correctly the magic is in the fit and the way it was made.. not necessarily in any weight reduction abilities.
This is the sign from the shop about them when they were sold. The harnesses weigh the same for magical and non-magical. Basically they start lower so you don't have a 100 stone bandolier on you. If that wasn't what you wanted to buy prob talk to the Trader.
Greetings, Denizens of the ||
|| ;;;; demesne of Zoluren. I am ||
|| | Silvyr Darkwinge, a stitcher ||
|| who has created exclusively for you the finest ||
|| bandoliers in existence! The bandoliers on the ||
|| black table are for knives, and do not hold any ||
|| special properties. The bandoliers on the ||
|| ebonwood table, however, are especially light ||
|| and a touch magical (and much more expensive). ||
|| The bandoliers are for knives ONLY, and will ||
|| NOT hold any other type of device...not even ||
|| normal non-throwing knives! The harnesses on ||
|| the grey table are for darts, with no special ||
|| properties. The harnesses on the white iron- ||
|| wood table are, like the bandoliers on the ||
|| ebonwood table, a touch magical and VERY light. ||
|| As with the bandoliers, all the harnesses will ||
|| will only hold throwing darts! ||
|| Regards, ||
|| Silvyr
Fest ones (magic) are 10 stones
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Midnight_blue_bandolier_embroidered_in_black_with_the_stalking_panther_of_damaris
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Bandolier_heavily_covered_with_thick_leather_leaves_dyed_in_varying_shades_of_green_and_brown
Old Ambika ones are 50 stones.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Black_leather_bandolier_embossed_with_Dergati%27s_shrike
And Morum Melgorehn ones are 5 Stones
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Black_leather_bandolier_embroidered_with_the_image_of_a_glass_worm
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
This is the sign from the shop about them when they were sold. The harnesses weigh the same for magical and non-magical. Basically they start lower so you don't have a 100 stone bandolier on you. If that wasn't what you wanted to buy prob talk to the Trader.
Greetings, Denizens of the ||
|| ;;;; demesne of Zoluren. I am ||
|| | Silvyr Darkwinge, a stitcher ||
|| who has created exclusively for you the finest ||
|| bandoliers in existence! The bandoliers on the ||
|| black table are for knives, and do not hold any ||
|| special properties. The bandoliers on the ||
|| ebonwood table, however, are especially light ||
|| and a touch magical (and much more expensive). ||
|| The bandoliers are for knives ONLY, and will ||
|| NOT hold any other type of device...not even ||
|| normal non-throwing knives! The harnesses on ||
|| the grey table are for darts, with no special ||
|| properties. The harnesses on the white iron- ||
|| wood table are, like the bandoliers on the ||
|| ebonwood table, a touch magical and VERY light. ||
|| As with the bandoliers, all the harnesses will ||
|| will only hold throwing darts! ||
|| Regards, ||
|| Silvyr
Fest ones (magic) are 10 stones
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Midnight_blue_bandolier_embroidered_in_black_with_the_stalking_panther_of_damaris
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Bandolier_heavily_covered_with_thick_leather_leaves_dyed_in_varying_shades_of_green_and_brown
Old Ambika ones are 50 stones.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Black_leather_bandolier_embossed_with_Dergati%27s_shrike
And Morum Melgorehn ones are 5 Stones
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Black_leather_bandolier_embroidered_with_the_image_of_a_glass_worm
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
I assisted about it in game and the GH told me it was bugged. I submitted a bug report, so maybe it'll get fixed if someone gets around to it.
Thanks for the input, everyone. I learned that assisting is a good way to go with these kinds of items and that the new BUG system is much better (apparently) at actually notifying the GMs.
-- Player of Eyuve
Thanks for the input, everyone. I learned that assisting is a good way to go with these kinds of items and that the new BUG system is much better (apparently) at actually notifying the GMs.
-- Player of Eyuve
>I assisted about it in game and the GH told me it was bugged. I submitted a bug report, so maybe it'll get fixed if someone gets around to it.<
Hope it gets fixed for you. The last old magical item I assisted about (a quest prize holy magic booster) is still on a "to do" list somewhere.
--Just a Squire
Riveted to the metal is a small copper plaque depicting a shield crossed with a longsword overlaying a field of thirteen stars. Encircling the design are the words, "Many Faces - One God."
Hope it gets fixed for you. The last old magical item I assisted about (a quest prize holy magic booster) is still on a "to do" list somewhere.
--Just a Squire
Riveted to the metal is a small copper plaque depicting a shield crossed with a longsword overlaying a field of thirteen stars. Encircling the design are the words, "Many Faces - One God."
It's worth noting that, bugging on occasion (not exactly sure how often that is a few weeks, over a month), allows things to stay on radar (for lack of a better term on few hours of good sleep).
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DR-SOCHARIS
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Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer.
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"I think anything that forces you to do something no sane adventurer would do just in order to train is ridiculous."
DR-SOCHARIS
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