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There needs to be changes made to the way people get accused of necromancy. People should not have to worry that someone who doesnt like them will get a bunch of their friends to make a false accusation and get it successfully taken by the guards and thus be purged. If this is the case then people should be allowed to plead their case before a jury before being beheaded to prove or disprove they really are a necromancer. For example someone who casts holy magic clearly isnt a necromancer. Right now the system is flawed and needs tweaking. People should not have to leave town for extended days or be unable to go to their own guilds just because someone wants to take advantage of the system without it looking like they are taking advantage of the sytem.
> someone who casts holy magic clearly isnt a necromancer
Unless they have a runestone with holy magic, or learned a spell off a scroll.
> People should not have to worry that someone who doesnt like them will get a bunch of their friends to make a false accusation and get it successfully taken by the guards and thus be purged.
That's actually about how it always happened in the real world. It's a fairly accurate depiction.
Unless they have a runestone with holy magic, or learned a spell off a scroll.
> People should not have to worry that someone who doesnt like them will get a bunch of their friends to make a false accusation and get it successfully taken by the guards and thus be purged.
That's actually about how it always happened in the real world. It's a fairly accurate depiction.
It's really hard to keep getting successful accuses off a non necromancer.
Like, under 15%, if I recall correctly.
If people are getting multiple accuses off on you, go out of town. Even with 99 charisma, if I tried to accuse a non necromancer all the time, I'd be successful maybe 1 time out of 30. And that's with having to have a waiting period, because they yell at you when you're wrong - and there's a (random I think) waiting period of at LEAST an hour, sometimes more before you can accuse again.
If you've irritated someone to the point where they are willing to camp a guard to try to accuse you I don't know what to tell you.
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Like, under 15%, if I recall correctly.
If people are getting multiple accuses off on you, go out of town. Even with 99 charisma, if I tried to accuse a non necromancer all the time, I'd be successful maybe 1 time out of 30. And that's with having to have a waiting period, because they yell at you when you're wrong - and there's a (random I think) waiting period of at LEAST an hour, sometimes more before you can accuse again.
If you've irritated someone to the point where they are willing to camp a guard to try to accuse you I don't know what to tell you.
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>> There needs to be changes made to the way people get accused of necromancy.
I take it this wall of text is in reference to Kyodan. I was wondering what happened there.
I really don't know how the system is working, but I don't think adding a jury of peers before the flash mob of Hounds and villagers kills you would really do much except cause said peers to be examined for connections to necromancy or necromancer support.
I'm not sure what it takes to get an accusation to stick, but this was brought up in hypothetical at guild's release and was addressed back then. Can't remember the thread, but the replies were reassuring enough to know that -- at the height of the player inquisition -- nobody was going to get my non-necro purged without my character doing something dumb first.
Necromancy is officially deemed bad and it still runs rampant across the area. I saw a rather known named character get an item that dropped by an NPC, get hounded, self-rezz and run off, all the while the gweth was full of other characters jumping with glee over the chance to get info about the item from him. Plenty of necromancers running around the province still. I don't expect the Hounds to use freedom pats to verify necro-ness before splattering brains. Better safe than sorry.
Welcome to the un-enlightened ages where 99.99% of the region is comprised of ignorant peasants and non-adventurer citizens; pitchforks and torches solve their problems just nicely. If I manage to piss them off with my cleric, then I have no problems reassessing myself in other areas for a while. If a large enough group of people has it in to keep my character hounded without cause (and I'm not sure it's even possible to do ad infinitum out of spite), then I'm confident that they'll be looked at for mechanics abuse without anyone even having to report.
- Aristron
I take it this wall of text is in reference to Kyodan. I was wondering what happened there.
I really don't know how the system is working, but I don't think adding a jury of peers before the flash mob of Hounds and villagers kills you would really do much except cause said peers to be examined for connections to necromancy or necromancer support.
I'm not sure what it takes to get an accusation to stick, but this was brought up in hypothetical at guild's release and was addressed back then. Can't remember the thread, but the replies were reassuring enough to know that -- at the height of the player inquisition -- nobody was going to get my non-necro purged without my character doing something dumb first.
Necromancy is officially deemed bad and it still runs rampant across the area. I saw a rather known named character get an item that dropped by an NPC, get hounded, self-rezz and run off, all the while the gweth was full of other characters jumping with glee over the chance to get info about the item from him. Plenty of necromancers running around the province still. I don't expect the Hounds to use freedom pats to verify necro-ness before splattering brains. Better safe than sorry.
Welcome to the un-enlightened ages where 99.99% of the region is comprised of ignorant peasants and non-adventurer citizens; pitchforks and torches solve their problems just nicely. If I manage to piss them off with my cleric, then I have no problems reassessing myself in other areas for a while. If a large enough group of people has it in to keep my character hounded without cause (and I'm not sure it's even possible to do ad infinitum out of spite), then I'm confident that they'll be looked at for mechanics abuse without anyone even having to report.
- Aristron
>>People should not have to leave town for extended days or be unable to go to their own guilds just because someone wants to take advantage of the system without it looking like they are taking advantage of the sytem.
For a non-Necromancer, the Fun timer starts at approximately one hour. It can only increase beyond that if the subject participates in a SO death spiral (or if a GM manually sets it longer).
>>It's really hard to keep getting successful accuses off a non necromancer.
>>Like, under 15%, if I recall correctly.
If the accuser and the accused have equal Charisma, a false accusation will work approximately one time in 50 accusations. Not even Ysselt against someone who's never raised Charisma at all has a 15% chance.
Note we're talking about the initial accusation of "She turned me into a newt!" Accusations that feed into a SO death spiral or that occur in the presence of a mechanically recognized "tell" are not considered false, even if the accused is not a Necromancer. Don't troll reactionary zealots if you want to live.
>>Welcome to the un-enlightened ages where 99.99% of the region is comprised of ignorant peasants and non-adventurer citizens; pitchforks and torches solve their problems just nicely.
This.
Zeyurn and I are discussing modifying the system, but this really needs to be kept in mind. The Provinces are not in America and the Hounds are not held accountable to anyone except their distant and seemingly uncaring god.
If your character is at the wrong end of a torch-wielding mob, his options are to flee or suffer for his pride.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
For a non-Necromancer, the Fun timer starts at approximately one hour. It can only increase beyond that if the subject participates in a SO death spiral (or if a GM manually sets it longer).
>>It's really hard to keep getting successful accuses off a non necromancer.
>>Like, under 15%, if I recall correctly.
If the accuser and the accused have equal Charisma, a false accusation will work approximately one time in 50 accusations. Not even Ysselt against someone who's never raised Charisma at all has a 15% chance.
Note we're talking about the initial accusation of "She turned me into a newt!" Accusations that feed into a SO death spiral or that occur in the presence of a mechanically recognized "tell" are not considered false, even if the accused is not a Necromancer. Don't troll reactionary zealots if you want to live.
>>Welcome to the un-enlightened ages where 99.99% of the region is comprised of ignorant peasants and non-adventurer citizens; pitchforks and torches solve their problems just nicely.
This.
Zeyurn and I are discussing modifying the system, but this really needs to be kept in mind. The Provinces are not in America and the Hounds are not held accountable to anyone except their distant and seemingly uncaring god.
If your character is at the wrong end of a torch-wielding mob, his options are to flee or suffer for his pride.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
Two other useful posts are
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Post:A_reminder_--_Necromancers_and_Consent_-_3/9/2010_-_11:33:37
and
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Post:Purge/Accuse_2/28/2010_11:22:11
"Your suffering amuses me" -GM Raesh
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http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Post:A_reminder_--_Necromancers_and_Consent_-_3/9/2010_-_11:33:37
and
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Post:Purge/Accuse_2/28/2010_11:22:11
"Your suffering amuses me" -GM Raesh
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"Your suffering amuses me" -GM Raesh
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Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
"Your suffering amuses me" -GM Raesh
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http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
agree with half and half.
>>Unless they have a runestone with holy magic, or learned a spell off a scroll.>>
A necromancer CANNOT cast a holy spell without blowing up his/her arms.
believe me, i've tried.
<<People should not have to worry that someone who doesnt like them will get a bunch of their friends to make a false accusation and get it successfully taken by the guards and thus be purged>>
see- salam witch trials. try reading "the crucible" by arthur miller for a good literary example of how mob paranoia works.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
>>Unless they have a runestone with holy magic, or learned a spell off a scroll.>>
A necromancer CANNOT cast a holy spell without blowing up his/her arms.
believe me, i've tried.
<<People should not have to worry that someone who doesnt like them will get a bunch of their friends to make a false accusation and get it successfully taken by the guards and thus be purged>>
see- salam witch trials. try reading "the crucible" by arthur miller for a good literary example of how mob paranoia works.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
>>For a non-Necromancer, the Fun timer starts at approximately one hour. It can only increase beyond that if the subject participates in a SO death spiral (or if a GM manually sets it longer).
An hour is still a long time, particularly for characters who, unlike necromancers, return to life in town.
>>Note we're talking about the initial accusation of "She turned me into a newt!" Accusations that feed into a SO death spiral or that occur in the presence of a mechanically recognized "tell" are not considered false, even if the accused is not a Necromancer. Don't troll reactionary zealots if you want to live.
It's not so much reactionary zealots that most people seem to be worried about. It's people with (access to) a lot of accounts and a lot of time on their hands. There are quite a lot of people playing DR that fit that bill.
>>Zeyurn and I are discussing modifying the system, but this really needs to be kept in mind. The Provinces are not in America and the Hounds are not held accountable to anyone except their distant and seemingly uncaring god.
Understandable that Elanthia is not America and the Hounds are in it for the lusty justice, rather than what are arguably the "right reasons." One does wonder, however, why Rutilor is so distant when, essentially, his name is being taken in vain.
I'd appreciate it if you considered simply resetting the SO meter on a successful accuse (against a non-Necromancer, anyway) and cap a one hour grace period on the whole thing. Something like:
The guard raises his eyebrow and says, "The Hounds dealt with him just a couple of anlaen ago. They are no doubt still keeping an eye on him."
I don't have a Necromancer, so I've never experienced the mechanic on the receiving end. But given that the purging notice is quasi-IC, it would be highly irritating from a role-playing perspective. It's not like the real world where once you're dead, you're dead, and your ruined reputation doesn't mean anything to you any more. Elanthia, as you point out, is not America. The burden of proof may still be death, but it has vastly different consequences.
As for the Salem witch trials, well, that has less to do with false accusations than it ended up having to do with politics. It's hard to think of a better way to remove competitors, honestly, than to toss them on the fire in the middle of a witch hunt. It happened pretty often during the Inquisition, too, so please don't think Massachusetts was in any way unique.
An hour is still a long time, particularly for characters who, unlike necromancers, return to life in town.
>>Note we're talking about the initial accusation of "She turned me into a newt!" Accusations that feed into a SO death spiral or that occur in the presence of a mechanically recognized "tell" are not considered false, even if the accused is not a Necromancer. Don't troll reactionary zealots if you want to live.
It's not so much reactionary zealots that most people seem to be worried about. It's people with (access to) a lot of accounts and a lot of time on their hands. There are quite a lot of people playing DR that fit that bill.
>>Zeyurn and I are discussing modifying the system, but this really needs to be kept in mind. The Provinces are not in America and the Hounds are not held accountable to anyone except their distant and seemingly uncaring god.
Understandable that Elanthia is not America and the Hounds are in it for the lusty justice, rather than what are arguably the "right reasons." One does wonder, however, why Rutilor is so distant when, essentially, his name is being taken in vain.
I'd appreciate it if you considered simply resetting the SO meter on a successful accuse (against a non-Necromancer, anyway) and cap a one hour grace period on the whole thing. Something like:
The guard raises his eyebrow and says, "The Hounds dealt with him just a couple of anlaen ago. They are no doubt still keeping an eye on him."
I don't have a Necromancer, so I've never experienced the mechanic on the receiving end. But given that the purging notice is quasi-IC, it would be highly irritating from a role-playing perspective. It's not like the real world where once you're dead, you're dead, and your ruined reputation doesn't mean anything to you any more. Elanthia, as you point out, is not America. The burden of proof may still be death, but it has vastly different consequences.
As for the Salem witch trials, well, that has less to do with false accusations than it ended up having to do with politics. It's hard to think of a better way to remove competitors, honestly, than to toss them on the fire in the middle of a witch hunt. It happened pretty often during the Inquisition, too, so please don't think Massachusetts was in any way unique.
>>One does wonder, however, why Rutilor is so distant when, essentially, his name is being taken in vain.
An excellent point to keep in mind, and one that has been planned to be explored as part of the Paladin events that have been in a holding pattern for awhile. For now I'll leave it at it's intentional that the current Hounds of Rutilor don't seem very much at all like the historic Hounds of Rutilor.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
An excellent point to keep in mind, and one that has been planned to be explored as part of the Paladin events that have been in a holding pattern for awhile. For now I'll leave it at it's intentional that the current Hounds of Rutilor don't seem very much at all like the historic Hounds of Rutilor.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
>An hour is still a long time, particularly for characters who, unlike necromancers, return to life in town.
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Item:Celestite_runestone
I forget if Hiding will prevent Accuse or not, but worth a shot if need be.
Assuming the first Accuse is successful, they'll need ~7 more characters with 99 charisma to successfully accuse you again, and that's assuming you haven't trained charisma. Very few people are going to have access to a bunch of alts with 99 Charisma, so the odds are going to be much closer to 50 people. If you've pissed someone off that they're going to chain accuse you with even 20+ alts...perhaps it's time to lay low because you're dealing with someone of questionable stability.
Griefing someone with the Hounds is appealing because it's anonymous and you don't have to worry about Consent, but there are much more effective methods.
Tachid smugly exclaims, "Die midget!"
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Item:Celestite_runestone
I forget if Hiding will prevent Accuse or not, but worth a shot if need be.
Assuming the first Accuse is successful, they'll need ~7 more characters with 99 charisma to successfully accuse you again, and that's assuming you haven't trained charisma. Very few people are going to have access to a bunch of alts with 99 Charisma, so the odds are going to be much closer to 50 people. If you've pissed someone off that they're going to chain accuse you with even 20+ alts...perhaps it's time to lay low because you're dealing with someone of questionable stability.
Griefing someone with the Hounds is appealing because it's anonymous and you don't have to worry about Consent, but there are much more effective methods.
Tachid smugly exclaims, "Die midget!"
One thing I didn't notice getting put in there.
If your an empath and you use something like I don't know Shift, or anyone using Forbidden Practices, the Hounds can be just as Hounding and attack in the same manner as if that user of those arts were a Necromancer.
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If your an empath and you use something like I don't know Shift, or anyone using Forbidden Practices, the Hounds can be just as Hounding and attack in the same manner as if that user of those arts were a Necromancer.
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>>If you've pissed someone off that they're going to chain accuse you with even 20+ alts...<<
This would be mech abuse, with the usual sorts of consequences should we catch someone at it.
Convincing a group of friends is one thing, using a bunch of alts is another.
Melete
<Raesh>: How did they let you on staff again?
This would be mech abuse, with the usual sorts of consequences should we catch someone at it.
Convincing a group of friends is one thing, using a bunch of alts is another.
Melete
<Raesh>: How did they let you on staff again?
<<This would be mech abuse, with the usual sorts of consequences should we catch someone at it.
Convincing a group of friends is one thing, using a bunch of alts is another>>
It seems to me that this sort of behavior would not be condoned from a purely business sense, no matter the source. Bullying is bullying, whether done by one "powerful" individual or a group of individuals. And the person put into a position of being bullied by this type of behavior is presumably not going to continue to pay for a product in which they are harassed or bullied. It doesn't make economic sense to allow this sort of behavior.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
Convincing a group of friends is one thing, using a bunch of alts is another>>
It seems to me that this sort of behavior would not be condoned from a purely business sense, no matter the source. Bullying is bullying, whether done by one "powerful" individual or a group of individuals. And the person put into a position of being bullied by this type of behavior is presumably not going to continue to pay for a product in which they are harassed or bullied. It doesn't make economic sense to allow this sort of behavior.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
From a purely business sense, yes, if you want to keep the people who do not play nice with others and lose the business of the rest of the people who are sick and tired of the posturing, bullying and nasty attitude that these "victims", as you seem to see them, are known to display.
One thing you fail to consider is that many these so called "innocent" non-necros targeted by people are not all that pristine pure. These "victims" are equally capable of making gameplay as difficult for other players as well and have NO hesitance in bullying those weaker than them.
You are seeing this experience only from your perspective. You don't seem to comprehend that these actions are NOT done for no reason whatsoever.
Some of these people are known to bully others weaker than they are. Some of these people do NOT play nice with other people. And SOME of these people like to make a constant nuisance of himself/herself in the game.
In fact one such "victim" is known for picking on people he knows he can beat easily and often does his own form of bullying on others, but cannot take his own medicine when force fed back to him.
Are you saying that it's okay for them to do it to others because s/he's just one person?
Am I saying that the accuse system couldn't use a little tweak? No, I definitely can see room for improvement. But oftentimes, those people who keep getting hounded are because they don't understand that for the duration of their crime, they need to stay out of town.
You just got killed for being a KNOWN necromancer in town...you resurrect yourself and expect to skip back into town within half an hour of being outed as a necro? Yes. Your stuff is in the guard house, but the timer on keepin your stuff is, what, 72 hours?
What is the possibility of having means to retrieve their items out of town by ohh, a group of sympathetic villagers who know about your good deeds and trust that you were wrongfully accused? :) Not a guaranteed means, but just something that may ease the sting a little for people wrongfully accused.
One thing you fail to consider is that many these so called "innocent" non-necros targeted by people are not all that pristine pure. These "victims" are equally capable of making gameplay as difficult for other players as well and have NO hesitance in bullying those weaker than them.
You are seeing this experience only from your perspective. You don't seem to comprehend that these actions are NOT done for no reason whatsoever.
Some of these people are known to bully others weaker than they are. Some of these people do NOT play nice with other people. And SOME of these people like to make a constant nuisance of himself/herself in the game.
In fact one such "victim" is known for picking on people he knows he can beat easily and often does his own form of bullying on others, but cannot take his own medicine when force fed back to him.
Are you saying that it's okay for them to do it to others because s/he's just one person?
Am I saying that the accuse system couldn't use a little tweak? No, I definitely can see room for improvement. But oftentimes, those people who keep getting hounded are because they don't understand that for the duration of their crime, they need to stay out of town.
You just got killed for being a KNOWN necromancer in town...you resurrect yourself and expect to skip back into town within half an hour of being outed as a necro? Yes. Your stuff is in the guard house, but the timer on keepin your stuff is, what, 72 hours?
What is the possibility of having means to retrieve their items out of town by ohh, a group of sympathetic villagers who know about your good deeds and trust that you were wrongfully accused? :) Not a guaranteed means, but just something that may ease the sting a little for people wrongfully accused.
>>From a purely business sense, yes, if you want to keep the people who do not play nice with others and lose the business of the rest of the people who are sick and tired of the posturing, bullying and nasty attitude that these "victims", as you seem to see them, are known to display.
This is where you should have stopped. Because it's where you've gone wrong.
Despite the fact that you find someone insufferable, they are still a paying customer. If you in some way impact their decision to continue playing or not, you become a problem that should be removed because you are impacting the bottom line.
Justifications like yours are why have a policy to begin with. Vigilantism is all fun and games, until someone drops their subscription.
This is where you should have stopped. Because it's where you've gone wrong.
Despite the fact that you find someone insufferable, they are still a paying customer. If you in some way impact their decision to continue playing or not, you become a problem that should be removed because you are impacting the bottom line.
Justifications like yours are why have a policy to begin with. Vigilantism is all fun and games, until someone drops their subscription.
My apologies, Futility, my statements were taken out of context and I did not make it clear that my starting comment was only in response to GERSTEINJ2's silly comment trying to bring money into this argument:
>"It seems to me that this sort of behavior would not be condoned from a purely business sense, no matter the source."
Other than my first line, the rest of my comments has nothing to do with "business". Sorry for any misunderstanding.
I think it is silly to bring use "business" as a justification for this accuse system. My point is that if you're going to use "bullying people out of DR loses Simu money", then you can easily state that these "victims" are also guilty of bullying. And if they banded together, they would DEFINITELY do the same thing.
Now let's move away from "business" talk and talk about the system as it is.
The point of the matter is, the necro accuse system is mostly alright, but that the people playing this game don't understand how it works and as such, they get trapped in a vicious cycle through their own ignorance.
>"It seems to me that this sort of behavior would not be condoned from a purely business sense, no matter the source."
Other than my first line, the rest of my comments has nothing to do with "business". Sorry for any misunderstanding.
I think it is silly to bring use "business" as a justification for this accuse system. My point is that if you're going to use "bullying people out of DR loses Simu money", then you can easily state that these "victims" are also guilty of bullying. And if they banded together, they would DEFINITELY do the same thing.
Now let's move away from "business" talk and talk about the system as it is.
The point of the matter is, the necro accuse system is mostly alright, but that the people playing this game don't understand how it works and as such, they get trapped in a vicious cycle through their own ignorance.
I noticed that one of the individuals that bullied one of my characters and killed me 3 times in a span of 30 minutes were purged by the Hounds of Rutilor quite a few times a couple of nights in a row. I was privately rejoicing over this. I have no issues with accusing non necromancers. The system works great IMO.
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Just to be clear - I didn't do it. Not sure who did, but it wasn't me.
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Clerics are on the sectual radar.
Just to be clear - I didn't do it. Not sure who did, but it wasn't me.
- GM Raesh
i'm saying that it is different for someone who plays a necromancer and pretty much knows going in what they are getting into - that is not the case for someone who might be falsely accused of such. I certainly would not want to see people leave the game after being falsely accused by a gang of people and have no recourse of their own. A new player who might not know all the ins and outs could easily fall prey to this type of behavior.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
the kind of situation I am talking about would be a new player in all innnocence asking about necromancy, not knowing its forbidden status, and ending up being hounded for it, and leave the game because of it.
I am not talking about experienced players, or players of actual necromancers, who know what they are getting into.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
I am not talking about experienced players, or players of actual necromancers, who know what they are getting into.
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
>>the kind of situation I am talking about would be a new player in all innnocence asking about necromancy, not knowing its forbidden status, and ending up being hounded for it, and leave the game because of it.
1) Why would a true newbie be talking about necromancy.
2) One death would mean they'll never play again? Most true newbies die pretty often through more obnoxious means.
3) This really feels like a "think of the children!" situation that never actually takes place, like most "think of the children!" situations.
"We're not "out to get you," we're here to enhance your playing experience with extreme prejudice.," DR-ARMIFER
1) Why would a true newbie be talking about necromancy.
2) One death would mean they'll never play again? Most true newbies die pretty often through more obnoxious means.
3) This really feels like a "think of the children!" situation that never actually takes place, like most "think of the children!" situations.
"We're not "out to get you," we're here to enhance your playing experience with extreme prejudice.," DR-ARMIFER
>1) Why would a true newbie be talking about necromancy.
First character I ever rolled.
>2) One death would mean they'll never play again? Most true newbies die pretty often through more obnoxious means.
Quiting for one death is pretty silly. Quiting because you are unable to post yet, have no idea how most things works and you just keep dying seems a bit more likely though.
>3) This really feels like a "think of the children!" situation that never actually takes place, like most "think of the children!" situations.
Not everyone has been playing for years and years, and simply asking about a guild that is listed on the home page shouldn't get a noob screwed.
~Sulakhan
"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."
~Miyamoto Musashi
First character I ever rolled.
>2) One death would mean they'll never play again? Most true newbies die pretty often through more obnoxious means.
Quiting for one death is pretty silly. Quiting because you are unable to post yet, have no idea how most things works and you just keep dying seems a bit more likely though.
>3) This really feels like a "think of the children!" situation that never actually takes place, like most "think of the children!" situations.
Not everyone has been playing for years and years, and simply asking about a guild that is listed on the home page shouldn't get a noob screwed.
~Sulakhan
"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."
~Miyamoto Musashi
I do realize that DR isn't america and that this is equivilent to the middle ages but even back then, the peasants demanded fair trials of their king. And when the people felt the monarchy was being too demanding of the peasants, thats usually when they revolted. (Perfect example would be how Peter the Great came into power).
But when I said that we should be able to plead our case, I didn't realize the Zoluren Kingdom didn't have a say into the hounds. However, people should still be able to go to her highness and claim the hounds are treacherous. Technically even during the salem witch trials they were given a chance to prove their innocence. Granted, you still died whether you were or weren't since you had to drown in order to prove your innocene but still. I just think in the long run of rp that being able to tell the hounds or someone "Hey I was framed" would be better than just constantly having one's head cut off.
But when I said that we should be able to plead our case, I didn't realize the Zoluren Kingdom didn't have a say into the hounds. However, people should still be able to go to her highness and claim the hounds are treacherous. Technically even during the salem witch trials they were given a chance to prove their innocence. Granted, you still died whether you were or weren't since you had to drown in order to prove your innocene but still. I just think in the long run of rp that being able to tell the hounds or someone "Hey I was framed" would be better than just constantly having one's head cut off.
<<when the people felt the monarchy was being too demanding of the peasants, thats usually when they revolted.>>
So organize a revolt. Make an event out of it.
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>>Fahr: Technically even during the salem witch trials they were given a chance to prove their innocence. Granted, you still died whether you were or weren't since you had to drown in order to prove your innocene but still.
I'd be willing to let you have that kind of trial.
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I'd be willing to let you have that kind of trial.
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>> I didn't realize the Zoluren Kingdom didn't have a say into the hounds. ...However, people should still be able to go to her highness and claim the hounds are treacherous.
I might be off base here, bit it seems to me as if the family of Vorclaf have had more bad dealings with necromancers than the average player.
Just a shot in the dark, but seeing as he, and the province, have been plagued with dealings with necromancers, a lot, before the whole bit where a Necrolord killed him, I'd think that Zoluren's court might take such pleas with deaf ears. I worked for him during a short period where a new necromantic trace had just been discovered. He was quite interested in blotting it out.
Not saying the Hounds are infallible or that they have any basis with the original Hounds, or operate under any more divine auspices than the inquisition did. Just saying that, despite every splattered cleric, they do seem to do a really good job at keeping necromancers at bay. I certainly don't let my necromancer loose near the city anymore. And my cleric is grateful for that.
- Aristron
I might be off base here, bit it seems to me as if the family of Vorclaf have had more bad dealings with necromancers than the average player.
Just a shot in the dark, but seeing as he, and the province, have been plagued with dealings with necromancers, a lot, before the whole bit where a Necrolord killed him, I'd think that Zoluren's court might take such pleas with deaf ears. I worked for him during a short period where a new necromantic trace had just been discovered. He was quite interested in blotting it out.
Not saying the Hounds are infallible or that they have any basis with the original Hounds, or operate under any more divine auspices than the inquisition did. Just saying that, despite every splattered cleric, they do seem to do a really good job at keeping necromancers at bay. I certainly don't let my necromancer loose near the city anymore. And my cleric is grateful for that.
- Aristron
>>So organize a revolt. Make an event out of it.
Give me a little more time. It takes a while to organize and radicalize an autonomous, anarcho-syndicalist commune, then incite them to the proper degree of violence.
Ogdaro
"Take chances and see what you can get away with, it only costs you a favor or two if you mess up." -Issus
Give me a little more time. It takes a while to organize and radicalize an autonomous, anarcho-syndicalist commune, then incite them to the proper degree of violence.
Ogdaro
"Take chances and see what you can get away with, it only costs you a favor or two if you mess up." -Issus
<<Just a shot in the dark, but seeing as he, and the province, have been plagued with dealings with necromancers, a lot, before the whole bit where a Necrolord killed him, I'd think that Zoluren's court might take such pleas with deaf ears. I worked for him during a short period where a new necromantic trace had just been discovered. He was quite interested in blotting it out.>>
Speaking for Zoluren... this is absolutely correct. To further that, the person left in pseudo-charge of the law-enforcement bit of Zoluren, Brigadier General Zukir, was so blindly loyal to Vorclaf that Necromancers are most likely his new favorite thing to hate, right ahead of Empaths and Sebastienne. ;)
GM Jaedren
Speaking for Zoluren... this is absolutely correct. To further that, the person left in pseudo-charge of the law-enforcement bit of Zoluren, Brigadier General Zukir, was so blindly loyal to Vorclaf that Necromancers are most likely his new favorite thing to hate, right ahead of Empaths and Sebastienne. ;)
GM Jaedren
>> It takes a while to organize and radicalize an autonomous, anarcho-syndicalist commune, then incite them to the proper degree of violence.
No it doesn't. Just put a few critters at the gates and gweth that one of the NPCs inside has unique, droppable loot. Zoluren will be burning before sundown.
- Aristron
No it doesn't. Just put a few critters at the gates and gweth that one of the NPCs inside has unique, droppable loot. Zoluren will be burning before sundown.
- Aristron
The Hounds work on hate. Perhaps divine wrath, perhaps animal emotion, but essentially hate. They hate the Philosophers (rather specifically, for reasons that have been implied) and have proven they will cut a path through the innocent, burn down buildings, and even kill children if it means ferreting out one more Philosopher.
This is convenient enough, since as Jaedren touched on, Necromancers are very hateable. There's excellent reasons to hate Necromancers, and the world would be a worse place without the Hounds in it.
It's meant to be an uncomfortable situation.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
This is convenient enough, since as Jaedren touched on, Necromancers are very hateable. There's excellent reasons to hate Necromancers, and the world would be a worse place without the Hounds in it.
It's meant to be an uncomfortable situation.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
<<Give me a little more time. It takes a while to organize and radicalize an autonomous, anarcho-syndicalist commune, then incite them to the proper degree of violence.>>
Nonsense. The violence is inherent in the system.
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Nonsense. The violence is inherent in the system.
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