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Getting all your stats to 30th by 50th circle. Through the years I've always heard plenty of people claim that they have done it. Ive had a Ranger and a War Mage, and I didn't even pay attention simply because I didn't train evenly. Now that Im playing my trader, I thought it would be fun to see how close I could get. Sitting at circle 40 ATM and don't really see myself coming anywhere near that goal.
Anybody thats done it want to chime in? And if you did manage it, did it take a lot of overtraining? I know I don't have the magic TDP's, and that hurts quite a bit.
Thanks in advance.
Karnas
My elf bard is almost at that point with a few circles to go, although I trained a few stats above 30 so I probably won't quite make it. Currently he has 25 in STR/STA/WIS/INT, 30 in AGI/REF and 35 in DIS/CHA. It was a combination of the lore and weapon skills that have done it, but magics have helped to a smaller degree. Lore skills are a TDP factory for bards and I dabble in all weapons to at least some degree to make up the rest. Of course, this means I've definitely held off on circling because of the weapon training. To give an idea of the overtraining needed, I have almost enough lore to be a Grandmaster Bard at circle 46.
-Evran
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-Evran
Armifer: EMA is now five times less likely to blow up in your face than MDIS!
Infomercial Co-host: That's incredible, Armifer! I know -I- would want this spell after hearing that!
My 46th cleric has 40/40/41 in mentals, 30 something charisma, and bringing the rest of the stats up to 30 now.
This is mostly due to his magics which are in the 500's however, plenty of extra tdps from just those. Just a question of how you train, if I hunted him more he'd actually circle...
This is mostly due to his magics which are in the 500's however, plenty of extra tdps from just those. Just a question of how you train, if I hunted him more he'd actually circle...
Someone directed my attention here so I thought I'd post. Here is my 46th TF elothean barbarian. Currently here's where I'm sitting...
Strength : 26 Reflex : 30
Agility : 28 Charisma : 20
Discipline : 30 Wisdom : 30
Intelligence : 30 Stamina : 30
and the experience.
Shield Usage: 231 43% clear Leather Armor: 230 82% clear
Light Chain: 204 24% clear Heavy Chain: 9 66% clear
Bone Armor: 9 62% clear Parry Ability: 233 30% clear
Multi Opponent: 226 14% clear Light Edged: 93 85% clear
Medium Edged: 210 55% clear Heavy Edged: 109 80% very muddled
Twohanded Edged: 31 43% clear Light Blunt: 85 37% clear
Medium Blunt: 33 08% clear Heavy Blunt: 32 11% clear
Twohanded Blunt: 9 31% clear Long Bow: 120 24% perplexing
Brawling: 245 53% clear Offhand Weapon: 62 94% clear
Evasion: 229 00% clear Climbing: 215 48% clear
Perception: 329 00% thoughtful Hiding: 140 71% muddled
Lockpicking: 24 56% clear Disarm Traps: 22 45% clear
Stalking: 137 02% perplexed Stealing: 76 12% clear
First Aid: 234 47% perplexed Foraging: 125 45% clear
Escaping: 89 87% clear Skinning: 120 20% clear
Swimming: 147 02% clear Scholarship: 245 05% bewildered
Mechanical Lore: 124 52% clear Appraisal: 234 60% clear
Teaching: 143 58% clear Vocals: 267 38% clear
So what I guess I'm going to say is I'm pretty freaking close. If I had magics to train and/or another armor (which I"ll probaly pick up soon) I might get it, but 4 ranks of strength and 10 of charisma and 2 agility isn't the lowest amount to be behind. I could sit at 50th for just a tad and most definitly have it. I didn't properly train ranged/stealth at level so now I'm going back to fix my mistakes.
Anyway, it looks like it is probable, not impossible. For a trader or another NMU, I'd be surprised to see it accomplished. Though, I might sit at 49th for a tad and make sure I accomplish this now.
Player of Holy Soldier Adakin of Prime
Kastr of TF
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"The Key To Immortality Is Living A Life Worth Remembering."
"Killing Time Murders Opportunities."
Strength : 26 Reflex : 30
Agility : 28 Charisma : 20
Discipline : 30 Wisdom : 30
Intelligence : 30 Stamina : 30
and the experience.
Shield Usage: 231 43% clear Leather Armor: 230 82% clear
Light Chain: 204 24% clear Heavy Chain: 9 66% clear
Bone Armor: 9 62% clear Parry Ability: 233 30% clear
Multi Opponent: 226 14% clear Light Edged: 93 85% clear
Medium Edged: 210 55% clear Heavy Edged: 109 80% very muddled
Twohanded Edged: 31 43% clear Light Blunt: 85 37% clear
Medium Blunt: 33 08% clear Heavy Blunt: 32 11% clear
Twohanded Blunt: 9 31% clear Long Bow: 120 24% perplexing
Brawling: 245 53% clear Offhand Weapon: 62 94% clear
Evasion: 229 00% clear Climbing: 215 48% clear
Perception: 329 00% thoughtful Hiding: 140 71% muddled
Lockpicking: 24 56% clear Disarm Traps: 22 45% clear
Stalking: 137 02% perplexed Stealing: 76 12% clear
First Aid: 234 47% perplexed Foraging: 125 45% clear
Escaping: 89 87% clear Skinning: 120 20% clear
Swimming: 147 02% clear Scholarship: 245 05% bewildered
Mechanical Lore: 124 52% clear Appraisal: 234 60% clear
Teaching: 143 58% clear Vocals: 267 38% clear
So what I guess I'm going to say is I'm pretty freaking close. If I had magics to train and/or another armor (which I"ll probaly pick up soon) I might get it, but 4 ranks of strength and 10 of charisma and 2 agility isn't the lowest amount to be behind. I could sit at 50th for just a tad and most definitly have it. I didn't properly train ranged/stealth at level so now I'm going back to fix my mistakes.
Anyway, it looks like it is probable, not impossible. For a trader or another NMU, I'd be surprised to see it accomplished. Though, I might sit at 49th for a tad and make sure I accomplish this now.
Player of Holy Soldier Adakin of Prime
Kastr of TF
Killr of TF
"The Key To Immortality Is Living A Life Worth Remembering."
"Killing Time Murders Opportunities."
As a WM, I finished 30 in my last stat (charisma, I think) with the TDP's it took from hitting 50th. My magics were very low compared to any other mage I met anywhere near my level. I never willingly held myself back when I had the skills to circle, but I didn't min/max either. I will say, it was more than likely due to the fact that I am a weapon freak. I should have been a barb, because I make a horrible mage.
30 in all stats does seem to be something you have to dedicate yourself to, and work to achieve, rather than something that happens every time someone sneezes. Not impossible to do with a little work, but not so easy that every person will achieve it just by circling.
At 63rd I have all stats to 35, with strength at 40 as an Elothean. Ever since 50th I've been trying to come up with a tough but realistic stat goal for 100th. How hard is 50 in all stats by 100th? Too easy, too hard, about right?
-Master Ndin
30 in all stats does seem to be something you have to dedicate yourself to, and work to achieve, rather than something that happens every time someone sneezes. Not impossible to do with a little work, but not so easy that every person will achieve it just by circling.
At 63rd I have all stats to 35, with strength at 40 as an Elothean. Ever since 50th I've been trying to come up with a tough but realistic stat goal for 100th. How hard is 50 in all stats by 100th? Too easy, too hard, about right?
-Master Ndin
I'm just wondering why people seem to be so intent on keeping all stats equal. Strength appears to be a largely wasted stat much beyond 30 or 40 points in it unless you're a forger. Charisma also unless you're a moonie trying to mind control someone or something, a paladin who uses halt, or a barbarian using roars. I've heard that the benefit to training wisdom beyond 45 is non-existent as the curve somewhat goes flat after that point. Discipline and Intelligence I can see taking very high, as well as Agility, Reflex, and Stamina, but the others? I'm just not seeing it.
Life is too short to drink cheap beer.
Life is too short to drink cheap beer.
>I'm just wondering why people seem to be so intent on keeping all stats equal.
I do a little bit of everything in the game, and there is no real dump stat when you do everything. While some things taper off, or are less useful in one situation or another, every point does make a difference for various things.
-Master Ndin, jack of all trades.
I do a little bit of everything in the game, and there is no real dump stat when you do everything. While some things taper off, or are less useful in one situation or another, every point does make a difference for various things.
-Master Ndin, jack of all trades.
Don't forget, charisma helps you hum better!
I find that I enjoy unevenly trained characters much more than those that are average at everything, so my philosophy is to focus on what I enjoy. Some people can't stand the idea of a weakness, but that will always be there unless you overcompensate anyway.
I find that I enjoy unevenly trained characters much more than those that are average at everything, so my philosophy is to focus on what I enjoy. Some people can't stand the idea of a weakness, but that will always be there unless you overcompensate anyway.
<<>I'm just wondering why people seem to be so intent on keeping all stats equal
For the same reason people go for titles such as Weaponmaster or self-imposed goals such as 3000 total ranks in survival as a tert.
<<so my philosophy is to focus on what I enjoy.
In other words, that. I've done it both ways, my bard is a jack-of-all-trades type character training a bit in everything and keeping stats relatively equal. My moon mage has focused himself towards very specific goals reflected in both skills and stats. I enjoy playing them both and they each bring something different to the table.
As far as the stats go,
<<Strength appears to be a largely wasted stat much beyond 30 or 40 points in it unless you're a forger.
Funnily enough, Strength used to be the stat to over-train. One big pitfall of min/maxing is if something big changes, a maxed character may end up becoming unbalanced in the wrong direction.
<<Charisma also unless you're a moonie trying to mind control someone or something, a paladin who uses halt, or a barbarian using roars
<<Or a cleric using most of their spells or a WM using a fir fam
Or a bard doing anything they do, or an empath manipulating or shifting, or a trader making more money, or anyone teaching a class, or anyone improving their facility with any stat contest. Charisma isn't as useless as most people make it out to be.
<<I've heard that the benefit to training wisdom beyond 45 is non-existent as the curve somewhat goes flat after that point. Discipline and Intelligence I can see taking very high,
These two statements next to eachother are rather silly since all three of those stats are on similar curves with regards to the exp system, but with regards to everything else they all are linear. Wisdom is just less obvious in its effects. If the min/maxers knew exactly what wisdom did, I'm sure there would be builds that used it.
-Evran
Armifer: EMA is now five times less likely to blow up in your face than MDIS!
Infomercial Co-host: That's incredible, Armifer! I know -I- would want this spell after hearing that!
For the same reason people go for titles such as Weaponmaster or self-imposed goals such as 3000 total ranks in survival as a tert.
<<so my philosophy is to focus on what I enjoy.
In other words, that. I've done it both ways, my bard is a jack-of-all-trades type character training a bit in everything and keeping stats relatively equal. My moon mage has focused himself towards very specific goals reflected in both skills and stats. I enjoy playing them both and they each bring something different to the table.
As far as the stats go,
<<Strength appears to be a largely wasted stat much beyond 30 or 40 points in it unless you're a forger.
Funnily enough, Strength used to be the stat to over-train. One big pitfall of min/maxing is if something big changes, a maxed character may end up becoming unbalanced in the wrong direction.
<<Charisma also unless you're a moonie trying to mind control someone or something, a paladin who uses halt, or a barbarian using roars
<<Or a cleric using most of their spells or a WM using a fir fam
Or a bard doing anything they do, or an empath manipulating or shifting, or a trader making more money, or anyone teaching a class, or anyone improving their facility with any stat contest. Charisma isn't as useless as most people make it out to be.
<<I've heard that the benefit to training wisdom beyond 45 is non-existent as the curve somewhat goes flat after that point. Discipline and Intelligence I can see taking very high,
These two statements next to eachother are rather silly since all three of those stats are on similar curves with regards to the exp system, but with regards to everything else they all are linear. Wisdom is just less obvious in its effects. If the min/maxers knew exactly what wisdom did, I'm sure there would be builds that used it.
-Evran
Armifer: EMA is now five times less likely to blow up in your face than MDIS!
Infomercial Co-host: That's incredible, Armifer! I know -I- would want this spell after hearing that!
Wow, I sucked:
Strength : 28 Reflex : 26
Agility : 28 Charisma : 30
Discipline : 28 Wisdom : 26
Intelligence : 28 Stamina : 26
Then again, I was never a fan of sandbagging or training more than 2 weapons. Stats per circle or ranks per circle or ANYTHING per circle are all kind of worthless when you discount the time investment or yawn components.
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Strength : 28 Reflex : 26
Agility : 28 Charisma : 30
Discipline : 28 Wisdom : 26
Intelligence : 28 Stamina : 26
Then again, I was never a fan of sandbagging or training more than 2 weapons. Stats per circle or ranks per circle or ANYTHING per circle are all kind of worthless when you discount the time investment or yawn components.
Aveda's Field Guide- http://dr.aveda.googlepages.com
I'm only 75th now but 50th was so long ago for me I can't remember what my stats were.
God I'm slow.
Here's what they are now FWIW.
Strength : 25 Reflex : 35
Agility : 30 Charisma : 30
Discipline : 46 Wisdom : 40
Intelligence : 40 Stamina : 30
Goal is discipline to 50 then charisma to 40. Elf, so disc is expensive. :\
Rev. Reene
"But does one ever truly have a choice? One can only match, move by move, the machinations of Fate, and thus defy the tyrannous stars." -- Kain, Defiance
God I'm slow.
Here's what they are now FWIW.
Strength : 25 Reflex : 35
Agility : 30 Charisma : 30
Discipline : 46 Wisdom : 40
Intelligence : 40 Stamina : 30
Goal is discipline to 50 then charisma to 40. Elf, so disc is expensive. :\
Rev. Reene
"But does one ever truly have a choice? One can only match, move by move, the machinations of Fate, and thus defy the tyrannous stars." -- Kain, Defiance
80th:
Strength : 20 Reflex : 32
Agility : 34 Charisma : 40
Discipline : 50 Wisdom : 40
Intelligence : 50 Stamina : 30
My first thought on reading this thread was "30 in each stat should be easy at 50" but it's been so long... I dunno. I get about 3-4 new stats a level and have spent 125 TPDS on perm learning a spell.
-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver
Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."
Strength : 20 Reflex : 32
Agility : 34 Charisma : 40
Discipline : 50 Wisdom : 40
Intelligence : 50 Stamina : 30
My first thought on reading this thread was "30 in each stat should be easy at 50" but it's been so long... I dunno. I get about 3-4 new stats a level and have spent 125 TPDS on perm learning a spell.
-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver
Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."
Just to throw it out there:
150th
Strength : 40 Reflex : 80
Agility : 60 Charisma : 85
Discipline : 85 Wisdom : 90
Intelligence : 90 Stamina : 50
I've only really trained two weapons, but have well over 8000 ranks in Lore. I earn about 2 stat points worth of TDPs every 5-6 days, depending on how the wall cycles align and how much time I spend exploring and not scripting.
Debating whether to cap out Wisdom and Intelligence or go for more Charisma and Discipline.
GENT
150th
Strength : 40 Reflex : 80
Agility : 60 Charisma : 85
Discipline : 85 Wisdom : 90
Intelligence : 90 Stamina : 50
I've only really trained two weapons, but have well over 8000 ranks in Lore. I earn about 2 stat points worth of TDPs every 5-6 days, depending on how the wall cycles align and how much time I spend exploring and not scripting.
Debating whether to cap out Wisdom and Intelligence or go for more Charisma and Discipline.
GENT
>>I'll let you guys now when I hit 50th if I met my goal or how far off I was. Thanks for the input.
If you want to know how far you have to go...
http://www.zairius.com/cgi-bin/tdpcalc.cgi
~player of Gulphphunger
If you want to know how far you have to go...
http://www.zairius.com/cgi-bin/tdpcalc.cgi
~player of Gulphphunger
My stats looked something like this when I was 50th. Horrible, I know.
Strength : 25 Reflex : 32
Agility : 32 Charisma : 40
Discipline : 20 Wisdom : 24
Intelligence : 25 Stamina : 20
Vinjince
"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."
- Sima Yi
Strength : 25 Reflex : 32
Agility : 32 Charisma : 40
Discipline : 20 Wisdom : 24
Intelligence : 25 Stamina : 20
Vinjince
"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."
- Sima Yi
45th Gnome Moon Mage:
Strength : 12 Reflex : 12
Agility : 10 Charisma : 10
Discipline : 46 Wisdom : 46
Intelligence : 46 Stamina : 12
Not in combat yet and I'm trying to keep intel, wisdom, and discipline equal or above my circle at least through 50th.
Life is too short to drink cheap beer.
Strength : 12 Reflex : 12
Agility : 10 Charisma : 10
Discipline : 46 Wisdom : 46
Intelligence : 46 Stamina : 12
Not in combat yet and I'm trying to keep intel, wisdom, and discipline equal or above my circle at least through 50th.
Life is too short to drink cheap beer.
>>I think Gnomes were made for people who love odd stat builds.
There definitely seems to be a certain dichotomy between races focused on maintaining a certain degree of balance and those that are targeted toward folks who either want to really excel at one particular aspect, or who just prefer imbalance for whatever reason.
I'm one of the latter myself, hardly ever playing anything other than a Tog, Halfling or Gnome anymore. If a race doesn't have at least one significant + or - 2 or more stat, they just feel too vanilla for me. I also train exclusively according to TDP cost with all my characters, since I've just never really seen the point of playing against type in that way.
Putting the Romance back in Necromancer.
Necromancy: Because every man lives, not every man really dies.
There definitely seems to be a certain dichotomy between races focused on maintaining a certain degree of balance and those that are targeted toward folks who either want to really excel at one particular aspect, or who just prefer imbalance for whatever reason.
I'm one of the latter myself, hardly ever playing anything other than a Tog, Halfling or Gnome anymore. If a race doesn't have at least one significant + or - 2 or more stat, they just feel too vanilla for me. I also train exclusively according to TDP cost with all my characters, since I've just never really seen the point of playing against type in that way.
Putting the Romance back in Necromancer.
Necromancy: Because every man lives, not every man really dies.
