first bug

ad gryph
A1 = 0 V1 = 108
You begin to advance on a young forest gryphon.

thats while dancing wolverine

Yeah, I had to roll them out again. Working on fixing and getting them back in.

~GM Aurdun
Barbarians' Guild Advocate
Gor'Tog Co-Champion

"Don't use logic on scientists. That's just mean." ~ GM Zeyurn

new engagement messaging or did it just happen faster?


stuck on a boat,
Drachus - Interprovincial Gold Champion, Kaith Kirm 370 AV - Open Team Combat, Division 2

>>rubs hands

which dances was it working with? I'm gonna guess its limmited to cobra/wolverine/dragon maybe? panther?


Drachus - Interprovincial Gold Champion, Kaith Kirm 370 AV - Open Team Combat, Division 2

any of you guys try panther , hide, then advance?

my barbarian doesn't have panther yet.


<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>

Oh my goodness... what a change. Kudos to both Aurdun and Ssra.

You all need to check it out with a certain dance. Really good stuff.


Vinjince

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"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."

- Sima Yi

yep thanks guys


Drachus - Interprovincial Gold Champion, Kaith Kirm 370 AV - Open Team Combat, Division 2

I'm not sure about the purpose of the roundtime, using swan seems like quite the limitation already and it still allows instant retreat.

I'm not sure if being engaged to a person earlier changed the results, but I saw zero change in my advancement time with any other dance.

I am --- Navak

<<we're obviously going to compare it with the thieves ability, and considering we're "combat masters" or "melee combat masters" the changes really don't seem that great.>>

Then don't use it. If you don't see the merit in the ability and understand why there is a roundtime then I am pretty sure nothing I am willing to do is going to meet your standard of "awesomeness."

-Ssra

Dude! This is awesome! 3 seconds RT to melee with swan.

Drachus - Interprovincial Gold Champion, Kaith Kirm 370 AV - Open Team Combat, Division 2

Then don't use it. If you don't see the merit in the ability and understand why there is a roundtime then I am pretty sure nothing I am willing to do is going to meet your standard of "awesomeness."

-Ssra


Wow that is a very bitter post coming from a GM. My point is, defensive dance + jump to pole (with roundtime) negates any chance of charging unless the person getting advanced on can't type "ret" within 3 seconds. The thief ability obviously works. Lots of thieves use it, and love it. I am just saying I don't really get the point of ours. Can you give me a situation where it will actually help to dance swan instead of badger, cobra, wolverine or dragon?

>> Can you give me a situation where it will actually help to dance swan instead of badger, cobra, wolverine or dragon?

yeah dude, when you wanna smash as many critters as quickly as possible and already outlclass them in every other way, use swan. 3 seconds to melee instead of 9, 3-9 seconds to kill, off to find new critter.

Drachus - Interprovincial Gold Champion, Kaith Kirm 370 AV - Open Team Combat, Division 2

<<Wow that is a very bitter post coming from a GM. My point is, defensive dance + jump to pole (with roundtime) negates any chance of charging unless the person getting advanced on can't type "ret" within 3 seconds.>>

In regard to advance + charge ... you just explained why there is a roundtime.

As for "ret within 3 seconds" ... welcome to DR.

Two wrongs don't make a right. As to what is right and wrong I leave that up to the reader to decide. :)

For now, anyway. ;)

/salute

-Ssra

I just don't understand why an ability which cannot be used in hiding means it gets a 3 second roundtime (and that same ability is defensive and cannot be stacked) while an ability that can be stacked and must be used in hiding does not get roundtime.

It seems like different side of the same coin but that is not how the combat team is treating them.

I am --- Navak

which one? tried badger and wolverine, didn't see too much difference.


<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>

I have to say, I agree with Navak. If thieves can advance to pole instantly in hiding (an inherently more difficult task), barbarians shouldn't get gimped with roundtime.

Sorry to be critical, but it DOES sound like we got the short end of the stick - I remember when the Khri Rewrite came around and all Khri went on preview. Shadowstep was awsome. It can, at high enough circle, be mixed with whatever other Khri you want to mix it with. Keeps you in hiding, too. Supposedly if you do it right you can literally instantly hit someone with AMBUSH SLASH if using a pole-ranged weapon.

I'm curious why 'zerking or dancing Barbs (even with just certain dances or berserks) aren't allowed an insta-pole ability as well. Even if it doesn't let us hide, it would be nice.

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"Just for poops and giggles..."
-Solomon

Dear god please don't turn into the Rangers here. Something comes our way and we complain it into the ground.

Make your posts constructive in their criticism. Discouraging a GM by saying these changes are "gimp" or "weak" or "lame" really don't do anything to help the situtation.

I fell asleep after the changes were pulled but for the brief time I did test I saw cobra zip me to melee on an Adan'f insanely fast. I'll have to try with Swan later this evening. I'll post my thoughts then.

Thanks Aurdrun, Jaed and Ssra! <3

- Galren

>>The Rippentropps are a mysterious collective of well-known individuals whose primary charge is to initiate the advancing task of not stopping.

<Make your posts constructive in their criticism. Discouraging a GM by saying these changes are "gimp" or "weak" or "lame" really don't do anything to help the situtation.>

I agree, Aurdun hasn't even given his follow up post about all the changes and the ability was only out for an hour and people are whining its gimped. I don't think a "gimped" ability/spell has ever just been left in place. It at the very least gets slated to be changed. In fact, this was an obvious attempt to make one of the least useful barbarian abilities(swan) more useful. I also think we got a free bonus 2-3 second advancement on a couple dances. When you start adding bonuses to cobra and wolverine which were already useful, thats pretty awesome.

Ok doing some testing this morning using
timer clear
timer start
put adv pecc
waitfor melee
echo %t



I ran these a few times each just to make sure I was getting consistent results.Whatever mojo I had last night seems to be gone. Oh no!

zero lag this morning

Dragon:
> [Script loaded: adv.cmd]
[adv]: adv pecc

You begin to advance on a peccary.
>
The peccary begins to advance on you!
The peccary is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>
You close to pole weapon range on a peccary.
You stop a peccary from advancing any farther.
>
You close to melee range on a peccary.
> 11.828125


Cobra:
> [Script loaded: adv.cmd]
[adv]: adv pecc

You begin to advance on a peccary.
>
The peccary begins to advance on you!
The peccary is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>
You close to pole weapon range on a peccary.
You stop a peccary from advancing any farther.
>
You close to melee range on a peccary.
> 8.578125

Wolverine:
> [Script loaded: adv.cmd]
[adv]: adv pecc

You begin to advance on a peccary.
>
The peccary begins to advance on you!
The peccary is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>
You close to pole weapon range on a peccary.
You stop a peccary from advancing any farther.
>
You close to melee range on a peccary.
> 11.46875

Swan:
[adv]: adv pecc

You leap to pole range on a peccary.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You begin to advance on a peccary.
R>
You close to melee range on a peccary.
You stop a peccary from advancing any farther.
> 3.515625

Whatever changes were affecting Dragon/Cobra/Wolvering last night seem to have been undone. I am pretty sure (it was late) I was getting the bonus from Dragon.....

Drachus - Interprovincial Gold Champion, Kaith Kirm 370 AV - Open Team Combat, Division 2