Alright, I spent all but 7 of my original TDPs, figured Id not spend again till I got 100 per circle....circle 12, still getting only 50+circle......as a barb, is it worth waiting for it, or should I spend now and get the bonuses of a higher wisdom, strength and stamina?

agree. When I have the tdps to raise a stat. I raise a stat. The only time i'll go over and have a large number of tdps saved up is when I've gone to M'riss for a couple of weeks worth of hunting and come back with a couple hundred to drop on a stat with some left over.

(hint hint throws out the couple hundred tdps in a couple weeks to maulem in refrence to M'riss)

Ternith Sjomah


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I know that I will die in battle, this I have accepted. I hope that it will be one of my own choosing, but if not do not bury me in a small, sad little cemetary. Burn me and spread my ashes to a strong western wind that I might make my way home.

Lemming.


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I know that I will die in battle, this I have accepted. I hope that it will be one of my own choosing, but if not do not bury me in a small, sad little cemetary. Burn me and spread my ashes to a strong western wind that I might make my way home.

I hear you Ternith. I'm working on 400 skill tdps this circle out on Riss myself.

The Assassin in Plat


Those who live by the blade die by those who don't.

"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot shoot, the
courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies."
Unknown

i agree totaly. thts one of the reasons i love being in plat. have been playin for just about two years on that side now after 7 in prime. I train a lot like you do as well. I circle when i can but i only work 5 survivals as a ranger and as such i have earned a TON of tdps and get a bunch each circle because all 5 survivals are over 300 ranks at 56th. oh yeah and training every armor there is helps too :-D only one more thats under 200 ranks with shield and leather both at 300+ and LC HC at 270+
Your circle: 56
Total ranks in weapons: 1515
Total ranks in armor: 1557
Total ranks in magic: 1002
Total ranks in survival: 2247
Total ranks in lore: 696
Total ranks gained: 7179
Total TDPs gained from ranks: 4324

The Assassin in Plat


Those who live by the blade die by those who don't.

"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot shoot, the
courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies."
Unknown

that probably wont happen since i cut all ties with prime (read killed off all chars) but if you ever wanna do that via IM's you can contact me at DRNazirre or can email my playnet addy.


Those who live by the blade die by those who don't.

"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot shoot, the
courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies."
Unknown

>In that case it would be good to save like 400-1000 tdps so you can see the effects of every train for possibly 3-4 point increases

And even then to me it would be useless to sit to them waiting to increase a stat that would help your learning percentage vs. just getting the stats as soon as you can and holding off on actually testing the theory out once you have the points in those stats that would make a test worth while.

~Ternith Sjomah
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Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

In TF, it's worth not spending your TDPs from circling from 1-10. You get to 10 so quickly, the extra 100-150 TDPs you get from not spending them right away doesn't really hurt.

FWIW, I've heard that you get 100 TDPs/circle whenever your stat total is less than your circle times 10.

>>I know you meant stat average :)

Total looks like a better fit to me.

-Gavyn
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"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

If it were total then it would be impossible to exceed your circle past your total stats.


Strangeguard Prayermaster

It is your circle times 8(for the 8 stats). I used the method when I created my new barbarian, when you compare her tdps against average tdps gained by the average person, you make between 300 and 700 more TDPs, due to starting stats and whether or not they spend all their tdps right away.

It doesn't balance out, you stay ahead.

You roll your stats at perfect minus 1(79 total). Your stat average is 9.875. So you circle to 10th and get 110 tdps, you train 8 times to bring your total to 10.875, then circle to 11 get 111 tdps, train 8 times, rinse/repeat.

Perfect stats gives you of course 10 as your average, and you won't get 100+ tdps until 11, so you lose out on 50 tdps minus the cost of training that one stat to perfect which is around 20ish depending on if its a -1/2, +1/2, etc stat. So you get about 20-30 tdps over someone who does the exact same thing but uses perfect stats.

Now another way to look at is is the aim for 8.875 stat average. It only gains you 50 extra tdps, at the cost of around 200 to move from 8.875 to 9.875. Using bare minimum is even worse.

Now if you use all your tdps, you end up getting 100+ around 13th-16th circle depending on what you train, your race, and other factors. So if someone rolls the exact same stats as you, but doesn't use the method you garner somewhere between 200 and 350 more tdps then them. If someone has around an average of 9, you get about 200 more tdps so 400 - 550, and if someone's average is closer to 8, you end up with 600-750 more tdps then them. I did all the exact numbers a few months ago when I created my barbarian. The best possible stat array is perfect minus 1, with the minus being in your cheapest stat(Str or Cha on a Kaldar, for example).

I pointed out why rolling lower stats is a penalty as opposed to a boon.

If you roll your stats to get 100+tdps at 9th circle instead of 10th, your stat average has to be 8.875. You get an extra 50 tdps over someone who has a stat average of 9.875. It costs around 200 tdps to raise your average from 8.875 to 9.875, so your spending 200 extra tdps to get 50 extra for a net loss of around 150 tdps.

S'kra's maximum roll was incorrect for a long time, and Gor'togs were forced to have a lower average due to them not having a net stat adjustment of 0. But now everyones's maximum is 10.0 average and everyone's minimum is 8.0 average.

I used 8 as minmum instead of 6, so my bad on that part, but the fact still remains you lose TDPs by making your average any less then 9.875.