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I REALLY LOVE HARMONY.
I do not really love the "atmosphere" messaging.
For example, I see:
You perform a daring series of flips!
Someone else sees:
Ysselt performs a daring series of flips!
Could we have a toggle for this on the spell briefmsg or something?
Ysselt performs a daring series of flips, singing proudly in a clear voice.
Ysselt glides effortlessly around the area, singing proudly in a clear voice
Ysselt glides easily around the area, displaying her skill and grace with every motion.
Ysselt focuses her resolve as she readies her scimitar!
Ysselt circles lightly on the balls of her feet, a look of determination etched in her features.
:(
I mean sure its a small complaint and I won't stop using Harmony because of it, but I just want to pretend I'm a badass and not a frolicking pixie.
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
Uh, yeah, I have to second that request. When I said I wanted to look cool, I meant like... having the ability to do extroardinary things and have access to unique verbs myself, not having my character do random stuff like the above mentioned items to the entire room.
Like, flips for no reason? Circling lightly on the balls of my feet? Some of those would totally destroy my image I think.
>Shudders.
Other than that, I'm totally looking forward to trying this Enchante out!
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~Leilond
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Like, flips for no reason? Circling lightly on the balls of my feet? Some of those would totally destroy my image I think.
>Shudders.
Other than that, I'm totally looking forward to trying this Enchante out!
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~Leilond
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Like if you could make it so that a really high success dodge would change into a sweet turn/backflip, or a really hard hit changing around the combat messaging a bit or something, that'd be really cool. Or even having a few verbs be altered to message differently while performing the song--like WAVE while holding a weapon and performing the song would do some fancy confident gesture or something. But doing stuff out of nowhere for no reason to the entire room... I'd rather have the option of turning that part off somehow.
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~Leilond
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~Leilond
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http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com/bard_planner_v2.xls - Personal Skill-Tracking Bard Spreadsheet
Not to be rude to anyone, but comments like these have to be a big slap in the face to whichever GM/GMs came up with the messaging for Harmony. We have to respect their vision and interpretation of the spell, both in mechanics and in fluff messaging. This song is well past the planning phase, so let's just appreciate that we get to fill up an empty spell slot with a powerhouse enchante.
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>This song is well past the planning phase,
I could agree with it, if we were giving input into it during the planning stage.
But I don't like my character doing things like that, I feel it makes me look stupid.
Like I said - I love the enchante, and the messaging won't prevent me from using it but I'd like to see a toggle.
I'm sorry if you feel my praise and slight personal disagreement with the enchante was rude, but I think you're being rude in disallowing me my opinion and feedback.
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
I could agree with it, if we were giving input into it during the planning stage.
But I don't like my character doing things like that, I feel it makes me look stupid.
Like I said - I love the enchante, and the messaging won't prevent me from using it but I'd like to see a toggle.
I'm sorry if you feel my praise and slight personal disagreement with the enchante was rude, but I think you're being rude in disallowing me my opinion and feedback.
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
Now see to me the messaging made me feel more like an actor on stage performing while fighting, as if mocking my opponent with my dancing and acrobatic moves. A swashbuckler! I can't think of the movie that keeps coming to mind while dancing with the enchante going but it makes me laugh. But that's just me, I can see how some bards wanna look all tough, mean, and evil.
~Eoworfinia~
Dartenian fades into view.
A horde of Lawrence Welk fans decend on the area.
Dartenian whimpers softly.
~Eoworfinia~
Dartenian fades into view.
A horde of Lawrence Welk fans decend on the area.
Dartenian whimpers softly.
>Now see to me the messaging made me feel more like an actor on stage performing while fighting, as if mocking my opponent with my dancing and acrobatic moves. A swashbuckler! I can't think of the movie that keeps coming to mind while dancing with the enchante going but it makes me laugh. But that's just me, I can see how some bards wanna look all tough, mean, and evil.
It's not really evil, mean or tough. But here I am, potentially in the middle of heated combat and I'm doing backflips?
The other stuff is only sorta goofy, it's the flips that are getting my goat. Although I did get laughed at twice by two totally different people. :(
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
It's not really evil, mean or tough. But here I am, potentially in the middle of heated combat and I'm doing backflips?
The other stuff is only sorta goofy, it's the flips that are getting my goat. Although I did get laughed at twice by two totally different people. :(
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
>By the way, not all of that messaging is fluff. It does have some purpose to it like what happens when you fall down?
I haven't seen any like that, would falling "manually" work, or do you know if it would need to be "creature aided"?
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
I haven't seen any like that, would falling "manually" work, or do you know if it would need to be "creature aided"?
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
Honestly, what if the Enchante were to create a holographic pink dress over the performer? I bet we would have more Bards up in arms about that.
Not the same situation I know, but the same concept applies in that not all Bards may want to be bound by forced visuals of light-hearted skips and giggles. While I do appreciate the work that was done in order for this to come out, and especially the work put into the messaging of this Enchante, I would like to again point out that not all of us would like to be bound by the messaging displayed in this Enchante, and I think it is perfectly fair that we may give our opinions on the matter. Considering Drums of the Snake just changed after having been out for years, I hardly think a change such as a messaging toggle would be something so drastic as to totally rule it out completely.
This is one Bard who will not be performing this Enchante with that messaging based on a character's concept. No offense intended, of course.
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~Leilond
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Not the same situation I know, but the same concept applies in that not all Bards may want to be bound by forced visuals of light-hearted skips and giggles. While I do appreciate the work that was done in order for this to come out, and especially the work put into the messaging of this Enchante, I would like to again point out that not all of us would like to be bound by the messaging displayed in this Enchante, and I think it is perfectly fair that we may give our opinions on the matter. Considering Drums of the Snake just changed after having been out for years, I hardly think a change such as a messaging toggle would be something so drastic as to totally rule it out completely.
This is one Bard who will not be performing this Enchante with that messaging based on a character's concept. No offense intended, of course.
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~Leilond
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> by forced visuals of light-hearted skips and giggles.
To the best of my knowledge, there's neither skips nor giggles in there. Acrobatics, yes. Maneuvering for position, yes. Grace, yes. But grace is the entire point of the enchante. "Dancing", yes, but we aren't talking about ballet (unless that's really how you wanna picture yourself) -- we are talking dancing in the sense that barbarians talk about dancing.
In any case, I've already said putting in special hooks for verbs isn't an option. Toggles per se are also not a viable option, since there are a limited number of toggles we can use, and I'm trying to save them for stuff that actually has substantial impact. Just so you know, demeanor DOES make a slight difference in some of the messaging.
In any case, I did try an experiment, and wallah! In spite of all odds, there IS a way to turn off the extra messaging. You can now SING HARMONY SILENT or SING HARMONY OFF (whichever you prefer) to turn off most of the fluff messaging. I say most because some of the messaging actually DOES something, and unless you want me to pull some of the perks you are just going to have to deal with a bit of messaging. You may find that some of the message-related perks will be less frequent as a result of turning off the messaging, but that's the tradeoff.
And before you ask, no, this does not mean we can apply this principle to other enchantes to hide messaging you don't like or don't want seen. So don't ask.
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
To the best of my knowledge, there's neither skips nor giggles in there. Acrobatics, yes. Maneuvering for position, yes. Grace, yes. But grace is the entire point of the enchante. "Dancing", yes, but we aren't talking about ballet (unless that's really how you wanna picture yourself) -- we are talking dancing in the sense that barbarians talk about dancing.
In any case, I've already said putting in special hooks for verbs isn't an option. Toggles per se are also not a viable option, since there are a limited number of toggles we can use, and I'm trying to save them for stuff that actually has substantial impact. Just so you know, demeanor DOES make a slight difference in some of the messaging.
In any case, I did try an experiment, and wallah! In spite of all odds, there IS a way to turn off the extra messaging. You can now SING HARMONY SILENT or SING HARMONY OFF (whichever you prefer) to turn off most of the fluff messaging. I say most because some of the messaging actually DOES something, and unless you want me to pull some of the perks you are just going to have to deal with a bit of messaging. You may find that some of the message-related perks will be less frequent as a result of turning off the messaging, but that's the tradeoff.
And before you ask, no, this does not mean we can apply this principle to other enchantes to hide messaging you don't like or don't want seen. So don't ask.
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
<<To the best of my knowledge, there's neither skips nor giggles in there. Acrobatics, yes. Maneuvering for position, yes. Grace, yes. But grace is the entire point of the enchante. "Dancing", yes, but we aren't talking about ballet (unless that's really how you wanna picture yourself) -- we are talking dancing in the sense that barbarians talk about dancing.
Thanks for posting that Dart. I had a much less diplomatic version ready to post, but decided to let a cooler head reply instead.
From one who understands the meaning of the messaging, thanks to the creators for the great enchante, both mechanically and atmospherically.
-Evran
<<and a G'nar Pethian would be "underpants-on-head crazy" - Armifer
Thanks for posting that Dart. I had a much less diplomatic version ready to post, but decided to let a cooler head reply instead.
From one who understands the meaning of the messaging, thanks to the creators for the great enchante, both mechanically and atmospherically.
-Evran
<<and a G'nar Pethian would be "underpants-on-head crazy" - Armifer
>To the best of my knowledge, there's neither skips nor giggles in there.
Dart can you throw in a SING HARMONY VERBOSE that includes LOTS of skips and giggles too? The enchante really doesn't fit MY personal style.
>spoiled Bards
'This is why we can't have nice things.'
On a more serious note...I could get used to this overwhelming my opponent and being in dominating posistion all the time.
Great work Dart.
-Derivan
Dart can you throw in a SING HARMONY VERBOSE that includes LOTS of skips and giggles too? The enchante really doesn't fit MY personal style.
>spoiled Bards
'This is why we can't have nice things.'
On a more serious note...I could get used to this overwhelming my opponent and being in dominating posistion all the time.
Great work Dart.
-Derivan
i tend to think of it very much like the swashbuckler, sort of like in the first pirates of the carib movie where jack leads them in quite a chase.
but then, thats kinda how i see my thief as well. just need the charisma for the title. i can very much see my TF bard in that sort of role as well. <although many more ranks , a long road ahead to go to get the title there.>
<<If nothing else, maybe some Magic Using guilds will now feel the joys of "You cannot steal here.", at least for a while.--Solomon>>
but then, thats kinda how i see my thief as well. just need the charisma for the title. i can very much see my TF bard in that sort of role as well. <although many more ranks , a long road ahead to go to get the title there.>
<<If nothing else, maybe some Magic Using guilds will now feel the joys of "You cannot steal here.", at least for a while.--Solomon>>
Thank you Dart for your consideration--it is greatly appreciated. I have a question about your post--well, two questions. SING HARMONY SILENT and SING HARMONY OFF are both options to hinder messaging, yes? If so, how do you get the messaging back after you use either one of these options?
I guess it's kind of refreshing to see that I'm one of the only darker themed Bards of the realms. I guess it just re-affirms why I stay so aloof from the rest of you. Seriously, way to rail on two Bards with separate opinions of what looks cool.
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~Leilond, Fallen Bard
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I guess it's kind of refreshing to see that I'm one of the only darker themed Bards of the realms. I guess it just re-affirms why I stay so aloof from the rest of you. Seriously, way to rail on two Bards with separate opinions of what looks cool.
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~Leilond, Fallen Bard
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>SING HARMONY SILENT and SING HARMONY OFF are both options to hinder messaging, yes? If so, how do you get the messaging back after you use either one of these options?
I'm going to take a wild guess but I would think you are only turning it off for the round of the enchante, so if you stop it and restart it without using silent or off at the end, it will default to the normal messaging.
~Eoworfinia~
Dartenian fades into view.
A horde of Lawrence Welk fans decend on the area.
Dartenian whimpers softly.
I'm going to take a wild guess but I would think you are only turning it off for the round of the enchante, so if you stop it and restart it without using silent or off at the end, it will default to the normal messaging.
~Eoworfinia~
Dartenian fades into view.
A horde of Lawrence Welk fans decend on the area.
Dartenian whimpers softly.
| To the best of my knowledge, there's neither skips nor giggles in there. Acrobatics, yes. Maneuvering for position, yes. Grace, yes. But grace is the entire point of the enchante. "Dancing", yes, but we aren't talking about ballet (unless that's really how you wanna picture yourself) -- we are talking dancing in the sense that barbarians talk about dancing. |
| In any case, I've already said putting in special hooks for verbs isn't an option. Toggles per se are also not a viable option, since there are a limited number of toggles we can use, and I'm trying to save them for stuff that actually has substantial impact. Just so you know, demeanor DOES make a slight difference in some of the messaging. |
| In any case, I did try an experiment, and wallah! In spite of all odds, there IS a way to turn off the extra messaging. You can now SING HARMONY SILENT or SING HARMONY OFF (whichever you prefer) to turn off most of the fluff messaging. I say most because some of the messaging actually DOES something, and unless you want me to pull some of the perks you are just going to have to deal with a bit of messaging. You may find that some of the message-related perks will be less frequent as a result of turning off the messaging, but that's the tradeoff. |
| And before you ask, no, this does not mean we can apply this principle to other enchantes to hide messaging you don't like or don't want seen. So don't ask. |
Thanks, Dart. I appreciate you looking into it, and seeing a solution! I didn't even expect it, but now I'm glad I asked!
Thanks again! I look forward to our next enchante (o god breath of storms pls?)
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
> I'm going to take a wild guess but I would think you are only turning it off for the round of the enchante, so if you stop it and restart it without using silent or off at the end, it will default to the normal messaging.
Right. It's just a "per song" deal. All I did was add a check to the start of the enchante to see if someone tacked "OFF" or "SILENT" to the name of the song. Crude, but it works!
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
Right. It's just a "per song" deal. All I did was add a check to the start of the enchante to see if someone tacked "OFF" or "SILENT" to the name of the song. Crude, but it works!
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
> i tend to think of it very much like the swashbuckler, sort of like in the first pirates of the carib movie where jack leads them in quite a chase.
I was thinking more Yoda vs Count Dra..er..Dooku. Man that little guy was all over the place!
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
I was thinking more Yoda vs Count Dra..er..Dooku. Man that little guy was all over the place!
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
It looks like the demeanor bit does what I was looking for initially.
Off hand, are there any other enchantes that demeanor affects? I'd never considered experimenting before...
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
Off hand, are there any other enchantes that demeanor affects? I'd never considered experimenting before...
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
> Off hand, are there any other enchantes that demeanor affects? I'd never considered experimenting before...
Nope. Harmony checks demeanor so that it doesn't make grumpy people smile. That's about all. I may change the actual song messaging to reflect this as well eventually, but for the initial release I wanted to leave it alone as much as possible since it was the winner of our "design enchante messaging" series for that particular enchante.
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
Nope. Harmony checks demeanor so that it doesn't make grumpy people smile. That's about all. I may change the actual song messaging to reflect this as well eventually, but for the initial release I wanted to leave it alone as much as possible since it was the winner of our "design enchante messaging" series for that particular enchante.
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
>> I wanted to leave it alone as much as possible since it was the winner of our "design enchante messaging" series for that particular enchante.
I didn't know that! Very cool. Who was it? I'll buy them a beer.
- Useff
Macfrae frowns at you as he says, "BAH! You already know that enchante. Why make me repeat things for you when you already know the answer? You owe me a beer for this!"
I didn't know that! Very cool. Who was it? I'll buy them a beer.
- Useff
Macfrae frowns at you as he says, "BAH! You already know that enchante. Why make me repeat things for you when you already know the answer? You owe me a beer for this!"
>>> I wanted to leave it alone as much as possible since it was the winner of our "design enchante messaging" series for that particular enchante.
>I didn't know that! Very cool. Who was it? I'll buy them a beer.
It is neat messaging. I forgot all about those contests. Can we have more?
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
>I didn't know that! Very cool. Who was it? I'll buy them a beer.
It is neat messaging. I forgot all about those contests. Can we have more?
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Sebastienne says, "please hand all weapons to me and I will see that they are returned to their proper owners."
Linkwurst offers Sebastienne a barnacle encrusted scimitar.
Kystrala exclaims, "NO!"
>>I can't think of the movie that keeps coming to mind while dancing with the enchante going but it makes me laugh.
Drumline? Robin Hood: Men in Tights? Step Up? Kill Da Wabbit?
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
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Drumline? Robin Hood: Men in Tights? Step Up? Kill Da Wabbit?
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
>>I just now read this thread, but did this comment make anybody else think of Link?
No, reminded me of that one guy in the blue clothes from Avatar: The Last Airbender. The one always complaining.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
No, reminded me of that one guy in the blue clothes from Avatar: The Last Airbender. The one always complaining.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
All tests were done at the appropriate Enchante's mana cap. The numbers below the Enchantes represent how many attacks it took to kill a bristle-back peccary using the combo:Draw Slice Chop Sweep, for infinity until death. I tested each Enchante with five different peccaries.
This is a test to see how effective a regular performance of Harmony with a Neutral demeanor is.
Katar
>app kat
A katar is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
poor puncture damage
fair slice damage
moderate impact damage
You are certain that the katar is dismally balanced and is well suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the katar is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The katar is made with metal.
You are certain that the katar weighs exactly 39 stones.
You are certain that the katar is worth exactly 600 lirums.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
With Harmony
5
4
4
3
5
With Rage
4
4
4
5
3
With Resonance
3
3
2
4
3
No Enchante
3
5
9
7
5
Dagger
>app dagg careful
A polished lion-claw throwing dagger is a light thrown and light edged melee-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
fair slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the dagger is well balanced and is poorly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the throwing dagger is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The throwing dagger is made with metal.
You are certain that the throwing dagger weighs exactly 10 stones.
You are certain that the throwing dagger is worth exactly 15000 lirums.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.
With Harmony
9
10
14
10
10
With Rage
9
9
6
13
10
With Resonance
12
12
10
10
9
I have no conclusions to draw. Honestly, what's the difference between these three Enchantes? I sure don't know.
Only thing I know is I love me some Harmony with dual wield once it comes out.
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~Leilond
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http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com/bard_compendium.html
This is a test to see how effective a regular performance of Harmony with a Neutral demeanor is.
Katar
>app kat
A katar is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
poor puncture damage
fair slice damage
moderate impact damage
You are certain that the katar is dismally balanced and is well suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the katar is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The katar is made with metal.
You are certain that the katar weighs exactly 39 stones.
You are certain that the katar is worth exactly 600 lirums.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
With Harmony
5
4
4
3
5
With Rage
4
4
4
5
3
With Resonance
3
3
2
4
3
No Enchante
3
5
9
7
5
Dagger
>app dagg careful
A polished lion-claw throwing dagger is a light thrown and light edged melee-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
fair slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the dagger is well balanced and is poorly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the throwing dagger is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The throwing dagger is made with metal.
You are certain that the throwing dagger weighs exactly 10 stones.
You are certain that the throwing dagger is worth exactly 15000 lirums.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.
With Harmony
9
10
14
10
10
With Rage
9
9
6
13
10
With Resonance
12
12
10
10
9
I have no conclusions to draw. Honestly, what's the difference between these three Enchantes? I sure don't know.
Only thing I know is I love me some Harmony with dual wield once it comes out.
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~Leilond
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You need more data to draw good inferences.
Peccaries spawn in different skill ranges. There are at least three 'types', and you can tell what type a peccary is from its appraisal.
At the very least you would want 30 observations per weapon, per enchante, with a measurement of the type of peccary for each observation. 100 observations would be better.
- Mazrian
Peccaries spawn in different skill ranges. There are at least three 'types', and you can tell what type a peccary is from its appraisal.
At the very least you would want 30 observations per weapon, per enchante, with a measurement of the type of peccary for each observation. 100 observations would be better.
- Mazrian
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Seriously? Three different kinds based off of appraisal, eh? I guess I'll have to retest that. I hope I can tell the difference based off of Appraisal.
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~Leilond
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Seriously? Three different kinds based off of appraisal, eh? I guess I'll have to retest that. I hope I can tell the difference based off of Appraisal.
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~Leilond
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Ohh shoot, I'm sorry, did I accidentally place this in the Complaints folder?
This is NOT a complaint Dart! I meant to put this in the Suggestions and Discussions folder. I have no complaints about Harmony except that I can't tell much of a difference between it, Rage of the Clans, and Resonance. I'll create my new test there--again, no complaints! I truely appreciate your hard work.
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~Leilond
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This is NOT a complaint Dart! I meant to put this in the Suggestions and Discussions folder. I have no complaints about Harmony except that I can't tell much of a difference between it, Rage of the Clans, and Resonance. I'll create my new test there--again, no complaints! I truely appreciate your hard work.
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~Leilond
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> At the very least you would want 30 observations per weapon, per enchante, with a measurement of the type of peccary for each observation. 100 observations would be better.
Even then your results aren't going to be entirely accurate. The way each of the enchantes works is very different. The one that works for you best in x situation may not be the best for y. One that works well for Bard A may not work best for Bard B.
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
Even then your results aren't going to be entirely accurate. The way each of the enchantes works is very different. The one that works for you best in x situation may not be the best for y. One that works well for Bard A may not work best for Bard B.
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
> a difference between it, Rage of the Clans, and Resonance.
- Harmony gives a modest self-only bonus to your offensive abilities in all weapons, but also helps maintain balance and provides a solid set of defensive benefits as well.
- Rage of the Clans gives a better offensive bonus for all weapons to everyone in your group.
- Resonance gives the best offensive bonus, but is self-only, only works with melee weapons and then only those that qualify for the top two weapons. It also provdes a lesser parry bonus and helps prevent weapon loss.
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
- Harmony gives a modest self-only bonus to your offensive abilities in all weapons, but also helps maintain balance and provides a solid set of defensive benefits as well.
- Rage of the Clans gives a better offensive bonus for all weapons to everyone in your group.
- Resonance gives the best offensive bonus, but is self-only, only works with melee weapons and then only those that qualify for the top two weapons. It also provdes a lesser parry bonus and helps prevent weapon loss.
- GM Dartenian
"So he buckled right in with a trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried, he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled that thing
That couldn't be done and he did it."
- Edgar Guest
