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>>I mean, Hodierna's Lilt can heal the spirit -- Bards are clearly capable of spirit manipulation<<
This used to be the case. Hodierna's Lilt now affects: Vitality, Fatigue, Concentration. It no longer effects spirit. But I am with you that Bard's are capable of spirit manipulation. A little bit from a victim's perspective of Abandoned Heart, as an example.
With a strong, slightly warbling voice, Terra sings:
"We are, we are!
Our time is gone!"
A horribly disconcerting feeling overcomes you, an overwhelming sadness that seems to sap your very will to live.
If that doesn't exude dampening of the spirit, I don't know what does.
Sidebar though, Armifer, do you think it might be possible to introduce a side effect of Redeemer's Pride to resist against spirit attacks. Because it bolsters your spirit? Also, if not Redeemer's Pride, maybe Naming of Tears (I'm basing this solely on the lore behind the spell, not the actual mechanics).
Thanks,
- Terra
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The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done." -George Carlin
>chant pyre
"I'm not really qualified to speak a Cleric perspective here anymore, though. I'd actually wait for Flavius to chime in, here."
I always find your perspective interesting at the very least, even when you and I completely disagree. I tend to look at these things from a practicality point of view, rather than a philosophical point of view, looking to whether changes will benefit clerics or not.
I am rather ambivelant about it really. Looking at the list, the most glaring thing to me is that all of our current contested spells are WvW, which on one level means we can choose to focus on one set of stats if we want. However, at the same time not having any Spells vs stamina or Spells vs Agility seems very restricted compared to every other guild.
Really, just switching out Wisdom for Intelligence(at least on the surface) and we have no boost to either, so from a playability level I just don't see it making much of a difference. I think it might be good if eventually we had a SvA or SvS spell, so we could use Benediction to boost the spell effect.
Really don't see how other guilds using Spell vs Spirit would be a big deal either way.
"militantly enforcing the overly rigid standards of you and your small collection of friends"
I always find your perspective interesting at the very least, even when you and I completely disagree. I tend to look at these things from a practicality point of view, rather than a philosophical point of view, looking to whether changes will benefit clerics or not.
I am rather ambivelant about it really. Looking at the list, the most glaring thing to me is that all of our current contested spells are WvW, which on one level means we can choose to focus on one set of stats if we want. However, at the same time not having any Spells vs stamina or Spells vs Agility seems very restricted compared to every other guild.
Really, just switching out Wisdom for Intelligence(at least on the surface) and we have no boost to either, so from a playability level I just don't see it making much of a difference. I think it might be good if eventually we had a SvA or SvS spell, so we could use Benediction to boost the spell effect.
Really don't see how other guilds using Spell vs Spirit would be a big deal either way.
"militantly enforcing the overly rigid standards of you and your small collection of friends"
>>I think it might be good if eventually we had a SvA or SvS spell, so we could use Benediction to boost the spell effect.
I don't have a big enough Cleric to weigh in on this thread, but I just wanted to say that my little halfling would really appreciate a clerical SvA spell.
"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught
I don't have a big enough Cleric to weigh in on this thread, but I just wanted to say that my little halfling would really appreciate a clerical SvA spell.
"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught
I think Spirit manipulation via SvSp should be open to all guilds.
This would allow for more development of the Spirit Health system and all systems that interact with Spirit Health. If only two guilds were to have access to the system, my guess is that over time development resources would not be as readily available as they would be if it were open to all 10+1 guilds.
If all guilds were given access to the Spirit system, it would give Clerics and Paladins the edge in a niche that has meaning and purpose.
GENT
This would allow for more development of the Spirit Health system and all systems that interact with Spirit Health. If only two guilds were to have access to the system, my guess is that over time development resources would not be as readily available as they would be if it were open to all 10+1 guilds.
If all guilds were given access to the Spirit system, it would give Clerics and Paladins the edge in a niche that has meaning and purpose.
GENT
>> If all guilds were given access to the Spirit system, it would give Clerics and Paladins the edge in a niche that has meaning and purpose.
I agree with this perspective. Clerics stand to gain more if the system is not exclusive.
Rev. Reene
A drunken cleric says, "Huldah. He is one mean poker player, I hear."
A drunken cleric says, "He cheats, of course."
A drunken cleric says, "Phelimmm. He doesn't cheat. Stupid, if you ask me."
I agree with this perspective. Clerics stand to gain more if the system is not exclusive.
Rev. Reene
A drunken cleric says, "Huldah. He is one mean poker player, I hear."
A drunken cleric says, "He cheats, of course."
A drunken cleric says, "Phelimmm. He doesn't cheat. Stupid, if you ask me."
I hate 'I agree' posts but ...
>This would allow for more development of the Spirit Health system and all systems that interact with Spirit Health. If only two guilds were to have access to the system, my guess is that over time development resources would not be as readily available as they would be if it were open to all 10+1 guilds.
This is absolutely true. Spirit has had no love in the 14 years or whatever since this game came into being. This is mostly because nobody cares because nobody can manipulate it. If more guilds could manipulate it, it might get some real love!
>This would allow for more development of the Spirit Health system and all systems that interact with Spirit Health. If only two guilds were to have access to the system, my guess is that over time development resources would not be as readily available as they would be if it were open to all 10+1 guilds.
This is absolutely true. Spirit has had no love in the 14 years or whatever since this game came into being. This is mostly because nobody cares because nobody can manipulate it. If more guilds could manipulate it, it might get some real love!
>>The only thing it contests is the MR of the people in the room when cast (confirmed via testing).
And removed from the pedia. =P
>>I agree with this perspective. Clerics stand to gain more if the system is not exclusive.
The existence of a consensus on the Cleric forums unnerves me. I'm kinda creeped out now. Did someone uncork the kool-aid? Where's the mindless idiot bashing the good idea?
---
"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
And removed from the pedia. =P
>>I agree with this perspective. Clerics stand to gain more if the system is not exclusive.
The existence of a consensus on the Cleric forums unnerves me. I'm kinda creeped out now. Did someone uncork the kool-aid? Where's the mindless idiot bashing the good idea?
---
"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
I was reading very old announcements, and I saw one from maybe 2002 that mentioned the idea of a vs Spirit spell that damaged an enemy's fatigue. I think it would be neat to have this if there's any time to fit it into the complete rewrite of the entire magic system or whatever's going on right now.
