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Oh my gosh people!!
Okay...I didn't want to post a link for this site, cos it's kinda not PG-13, but there is a huge disclaimer that says that on the site...I apologize if it gets pulled, but Reexa and Souv need to know! :cackle:
http://www.illwillpress.com
Have fun listening to random bantering by Foamy the Squirrel! He will be your lord and master! :grin: It's kinda like Strongbad, if you need a reference. (but foamy is so much more funny, I think it's the voice)
"I just want a LARGE Hazelnut coffee, with no sucky undertaste!"
::shakes a Doon Kin Don Knotts cup of coffee::
~Brady, player of I'm a Lover Not a Fighter Elavin Rismel.
>get my amar
You get a burnt orange amaryllis.
>wear my amar
But you don't have any hair! Where are you going to put it? Don't answer that!
>>It's going to be a scorcher of a summer
I'll have to dig up the article at livescience.com, but summer is actually getting longer. In about 300 years, I think it was, they said spring would only last for like 2 months.
And thank god there's only 8 within 5 miles of me.
J'Lo, no that other one
I'll have to dig up the article at livescience.com, but summer is actually getting longer. In about 300 years, I think it was, they said spring would only last for like 2 months.
And thank god there's only 8 within 5 miles of me.
J'Lo, no that other one
Super Size Me wasn't a scary film, it was a film based on a scare tactic. Much difference.
He went out of his way to eat the worst food he could at McDonalds after being a vegetarian for years. No one's body could survive that better then he did. However, his premise is faulty, flawed and horribly one-sided as many other people have repeated his experiment with very healthy results through proper, logical ordering.
Starbucks is probably the worst thing to happen to coffee since they learned to freeze dry it. Starbucks coffee is engineered to be more caffeinated and burnt to within an inch of its life during roasting so that it tastes like burnt charcoal.
Coffee should only be brewed in a french press with just off boiling water. The beans should have been roasted with 48 hours of brewing and ground within seconds of there meeting with the water. Adding milk or sugar to coffee should be verboten.
And to the large Florida contingent here, have fun this season looks like its going to be filled with, how do they describe down south, ah yes, Active Weather.
He went out of his way to eat the worst food he could at McDonalds after being a vegetarian for years. No one's body could survive that better then he did. However, his premise is faulty, flawed and horribly one-sided as many other people have repeated his experiment with very healthy results through proper, logical ordering.
Starbucks is probably the worst thing to happen to coffee since they learned to freeze dry it. Starbucks coffee is engineered to be more caffeinated and burnt to within an inch of its life during roasting so that it tastes like burnt charcoal.
Coffee should only be brewed in a french press with just off boiling water. The beans should have been roasted with 48 hours of brewing and ground within seconds of there meeting with the water. Adding milk or sugar to coffee should be verboten.
And to the large Florida contingent here, have fun this season looks like its going to be filled with, how do they describe down south, ah yes, Active Weather.
<<He went out of his way to eat the worst food he could at McDonalds after being a vegetarian for years. No one's body could survive that better then he did. However, his premise is faulty, flawed and horribly one-sided as many other people have repeated his experiment with very healthy results through proper, logical ordering.>>
::buzzer sounds:: Wrong. He didn't order the worst food possible, he ordered something different everyday, he was not a vegitarian for years, his fiance is a vegan chef. Want to try again?
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::buzzer sounds:: Wrong. He didn't order the worst food possible, he ordered something different everyday, he was not a vegitarian for years, his fiance is a vegan chef. Want to try again?
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Its head soars through the air as its neck is entirely destroyed!
A sand sprite slowly falls to the ground, moaning in despair, shuddering in pain before taking her last breath.
>and horribly one-sided as many other people have repeated his experiment with very healthy results through proper, logical ordering.
Uh, yeah, tell that to my ankles and my attitude after a week of eating out every meal, not just fast food but also 'restaurant' food. Took me three days of near fasting this time to be able to wear my boots again. Doesn't matter what you order, the crud is so full of salt, trans-fats, refined sugar and whatever addictive sludge they put in it to keep you going back, it will make anyone who doesn't eat it all the time sick, and I think those who do are already sick and are so addicted they don't care anymore.
That and when he did his little experiment, they didn't have all the salads and other so-called healthy options on the menu. Bah. Go kill yourself if you like, just stop the lawsuits for eating that garbage.
Uh, yeah, tell that to my ankles and my attitude after a week of eating out every meal, not just fast food but also 'restaurant' food. Took me three days of near fasting this time to be able to wear my boots again. Doesn't matter what you order, the crud is so full of salt, trans-fats, refined sugar and whatever addictive sludge they put in it to keep you going back, it will make anyone who doesn't eat it all the time sick, and I think those who do are already sick and are so addicted they don't care anymore.
That and when he did his little experiment, they didn't have all the salads and other so-called healthy options on the menu. Bah. Go kill yourself if you like, just stop the lawsuits for eating that garbage.
The premise is still flawed. Drinking too much water can kill you, too.
It was meant to be entertainment, something people can gab about as they're taking a bite out of their Big Mac (or Whopper, if that's your cup of tea; though it's funny how some people think these results only apply to McDonald's). At best it'll motivate a some people to reduce the number of times they have fast food in any given month.
It's certainly not enough to stop me from going altogether. Everything in moderation.
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It was meant to be entertainment, something people can gab about as they're taking a bite out of their Big Mac (or Whopper, if that's your cup of tea; though it's funny how some people think these results only apply to McDonald's). At best it'll motivate a some people to reduce the number of times they have fast food in any given month.
It's certainly not enough to stop me from going altogether. Everything in moderation.
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<<That and when he did his little experiment, they didn't have all the salads and other so-called healthy options on the menu.>>
Fast food salads are a joke, most of them have more fat and calories than the burgers. Why don't they try a plain salad instead of putting all those toppings on them?
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Fast food salads are a joke, most of them have more fat and calories than the burgers. Why don't they try a plain salad instead of putting all those toppings on them?
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I completely agree, I won't stop eating fast food either. I have however started looking at what is put into there food and the fat and calories and it's kinda sickning. Especially since my favorite burger is the extreme cheeseburger from Jack-in-the-Box
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<<He went out of his way to eat the worst food he could at McDonalds after being a vegetarian for years.>>
Actually, he wasn't a vegetarian. His fiance was, but they made it a point to mention several times that he was not, despite her trying to convince him to become one, both before and after the "experiment."
Also, since one of the criteria of his experiment was that he had to order everything on the menu at least once during the month, he did not go out of his way to eat the worst food he could at McDonald's...unless, of course, you consider that it's ALL the worst food. And that just further proves his point.
The salads they offer now were introduced about three weeks after the movie was premiered.
Sure it was a scare tactic; many documentaries are...they are meant to inform and influence opinion. That doesn't detract from the fact that his experience was a very real one, and rather frightening.
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Actually, he wasn't a vegetarian. His fiance was, but they made it a point to mention several times that he was not, despite her trying to convince him to become one, both before and after the "experiment."
Also, since one of the criteria of his experiment was that he had to order everything on the menu at least once during the month, he did not go out of his way to eat the worst food he could at McDonald's...unless, of course, you consider that it's ALL the worst food. And that just further proves his point.
The salads they offer now were introduced about three weeks after the movie was premiered.
Sure it was a scare tactic; many documentaries are...they are meant to inform and influence opinion. That doesn't detract from the fact that his experience was a very real one, and rather frightening.
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>It's certainly not enough to stop me from going altogether. Everything in moderation.
Yup, but I have relatives who eat nothing but that garbage and its painfully obvious what it does. Things like being 250-300 pounds overweight or emaciated husks, horrible skin, no energy, constant pre-cancerous skin eruptions and so on and so forth. Yes, sure, once or twice a month, but 3 times a day, every day, 360+ days a year!
>The premise is still flawed. Drinking too much water can kill you, too.
You can drink water many times a day, even eight or ten. Eating processed crud even three times a day, no matter how careful you are about ordering, is probably about one of the worst things you can do to your body. And the saddest thing, these are the same people that then go off about smoking, drinking and touching other human beings.
Yup, but I have relatives who eat nothing but that garbage and its painfully obvious what it does. Things like being 250-300 pounds overweight or emaciated husks, horrible skin, no energy, constant pre-cancerous skin eruptions and so on and so forth. Yes, sure, once or twice a month, but 3 times a day, every day, 360+ days a year!
>The premise is still flawed. Drinking too much water can kill you, too.
You can drink water many times a day, even eight or ten. Eating processed crud even three times a day, no matter how careful you are about ordering, is probably about one of the worst things you can do to your body. And the saddest thing, these are the same people that then go off about smoking, drinking and touching other human beings.
Umm guys sorry but I did the junket interview for the CBC. He said flat out point blank, I'm watching the source tape now "I was basically vegetarian for years before doing this, I hadn't had meat in months." you can go look up the CNN story on there server or NBC. Or call and ask but trust me this time I"m right. I was sitting there on the other side of that camera its my job and I get to keep tapes. He also admitted to stopping exercising and basically doing nothing to support his body during this.
While he did order something different and tried everything on the menu if you do a statistical breakdown you'll notice that he did not order the type of food that would be consistant with an FDA approved diet, which he could have had he chosen too. I know this because a number of others have done the same sort of diet and lost weight, see here: http://www.cei.org/pages/debunk/debunk_the_junk.cfm
You guys have all been sucked into movies and tv editing around so that the thrust of the topic can be what they want.
Hell I haven't eaten at McDonalds in years, ever since "Fast Food Nation" came out and I read that. But the reason to not support McDonalds should be one based on its destruction of classical cooking techniques and the joy of sitting down with people over really good homemade food. As well we should be watching what factory farming and the water management that goes along with that is doing to the world. Just look at the Colorado River and you'll get a very clear idea of whats happening.
No matter if you agree or believe me Super Size Me, much like all of Michael Moore's work, is not a documentary. It follows none of the rules of Documentary film making and was journalistically irresponsible.
The definition of documentary as provided by the OED (this is the 4th definition listed but the most applicable): 4. Factual, realistic; applied esp. to a film or literary work, etc., based on real events or circumstances, and intended primarily for instruction or record purposes.
The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences defines it as: An eligible documentary film is defined as a theatrically released non-fiction motion picture dealing creatively with cultural, artistic, historical, social, scientific, economic or other subjects. It may be photographed in actual occurrence, or may employ partial re-enactment, stock footage, stills, animation, stop-motion or other techniques, as long as the emphasis is on fact and not on fiction.
But the Academy never listens to its own rules. Thats why they gave an academy to that atrocious propaganda thing Michael Moore produced about Bush. If your gonna scare people its always better to use the truth rather then a bunch of half-truths which is what Moore, Spurlock and the Republican Party all seem to be doing.
But if you want to believe what you see on the screen, then that is your right, your just getting it all wrong.
While he did order something different and tried everything on the menu if you do a statistical breakdown you'll notice that he did not order the type of food that would be consistant with an FDA approved diet, which he could have had he chosen too. I know this because a number of others have done the same sort of diet and lost weight, see here: http://www.cei.org/pages/debunk/debunk_the_junk.cfm
You guys have all been sucked into movies and tv editing around so that the thrust of the topic can be what they want.
Hell I haven't eaten at McDonalds in years, ever since "Fast Food Nation" came out and I read that. But the reason to not support McDonalds should be one based on its destruction of classical cooking techniques and the joy of sitting down with people over really good homemade food. As well we should be watching what factory farming and the water management that goes along with that is doing to the world. Just look at the Colorado River and you'll get a very clear idea of whats happening.
No matter if you agree or believe me Super Size Me, much like all of Michael Moore's work, is not a documentary. It follows none of the rules of Documentary film making and was journalistically irresponsible.
The definition of documentary as provided by the OED (this is the 4th definition listed but the most applicable): 4. Factual, realistic; applied esp. to a film or literary work, etc., based on real events or circumstances, and intended primarily for instruction or record purposes.
The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences defines it as: An eligible documentary film is defined as a theatrically released non-fiction motion picture dealing creatively with cultural, artistic, historical, social, scientific, economic or other subjects. It may be photographed in actual occurrence, or may employ partial re-enactment, stock footage, stills, animation, stop-motion or other techniques, as long as the emphasis is on fact and not on fiction.
But the Academy never listens to its own rules. Thats why they gave an academy to that atrocious propaganda thing Michael Moore produced about Bush. If your gonna scare people its always better to use the truth rather then a bunch of half-truths which is what Moore, Spurlock and the Republican Party all seem to be doing.
But if you want to believe what you see on the screen, then that is your right, your just getting it all wrong.
>Sure it was a scare tactic; many documentaries are...they are meant to inform and influence opinion.
Yup, what I loved though was the school where they replaced the processed crud in the cafeteria with real food. I've seen the difference, both in myself and others. I'm no saint. I drink, I smoke, I play fast and loose with other people's SOs, but I flat out refuse to get hooked back into the whole processed food trap. More than anything else I've ever done, its made a huge difference in how I feel.
Don't know what or why, but I know that even if I eat that stuff once or twice a month, I feel it. If nothing else because I go back to craving it. And I don't eat well otherwise, cheesesteak subs, machaca burritos, fried chicken, potatoes fried in tallow or bacon grease, cheese, butter, pasta with everything sauce, cafeteria food almost every day (Orthodox Kosher, so no crud) ... but no chain food and no 'box' food. I loose weight on that, too, as well as feeling pretty darn good, even with the occasional hangover. ;)
Its an interesting experiment to do. I did it because I couldn't afford fast food and kept with it because I learned to not like being addicted to that stuff. Try it sometime. One month ... no pre-processed food (frozen dinners, hamburger helper, rice mixes, etc), no canned soups/chili/etc, no chain/fast food of any kind. This is an experiment that's possible for anyone, really, to do, unlike the reverse. Its cheap, its actually easy (once you get the hang of it) and very tasty once you get over the salt/trans-fat/sugar jones. I'd much rather have my cheesteak subs and french fries (fried in lard, no less) than any quarter pounder and wimpy fries, thanks.
Yup, what I loved though was the school where they replaced the processed crud in the cafeteria with real food. I've seen the difference, both in myself and others. I'm no saint. I drink, I smoke, I play fast and loose with other people's SOs, but I flat out refuse to get hooked back into the whole processed food trap. More than anything else I've ever done, its made a huge difference in how I feel.
Don't know what or why, but I know that even if I eat that stuff once or twice a month, I feel it. If nothing else because I go back to craving it. And I don't eat well otherwise, cheesesteak subs, machaca burritos, fried chicken, potatoes fried in tallow or bacon grease, cheese, butter, pasta with everything sauce, cafeteria food almost every day (Orthodox Kosher, so no crud) ... but no chain food and no 'box' food. I loose weight on that, too, as well as feeling pretty darn good, even with the occasional hangover. ;)
Its an interesting experiment to do. I did it because I couldn't afford fast food and kept with it because I learned to not like being addicted to that stuff. Try it sometime. One month ... no pre-processed food (frozen dinners, hamburger helper, rice mixes, etc), no canned soups/chili/etc, no chain/fast food of any kind. This is an experiment that's possible for anyone, really, to do, unlike the reverse. Its cheap, its actually easy (once you get the hang of it) and very tasty once you get over the salt/trans-fat/sugar jones. I'd much rather have my cheesteak subs and french fries (fried in lard, no less) than any quarter pounder and wimpy fries, thanks.
The FDA is a joke as well. And Moores work is mostly true I admit there are somethings in there that are a little iffy but most of the time he didn't state anything but the facts, the conclusions you draw are your own.
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Its not like he was really showing you something you didn't already know either. We all knew that fast food isn't good for you, and if you eat it a heck of alot it can have bad effects to your body. He was just showing you an extreme side of the story to show you that point. Many Artists, whether painting, documentary, or other, use this tactic because we are prone to remember something that has a story to it then just plain facts. He probably took some artistic license to tweak the story a bit, but thats what he is allowed to do. I found the movie pretty funny. Moore is the same thing, although I found after analyzing both works for school, I liked them. Its funny cause we are taking a swing from being a society of highly romanticized opinions, to a twisted view of the facts. Thats the way modern cinima is moving these days.
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>>I'll have to dig up the article at livescience.com, but summer is actually getting longer. In about 300 years, I think it was, they said spring would only last for like 2 months.<<
You mean it lasts longer than two months? In Kansas at least, spring lasts exactly 3 days, during which time the trees turn color, the grass and flowers spring up overnight, and it goes from 30-40F to 70-80F
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You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
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You mean it lasts longer than two months? In Kansas at least, spring lasts exactly 3 days, during which time the trees turn color, the grass and flowers spring up overnight, and it goes from 30-40F to 70-80F
Souv
You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
You're only tackling one side of the point too... yeah, he ate McD's for a month, he also didn't excersise. I ate McD's at least once a day for 4 years and I never got above 165 lbs. The difference? I ran 5 miles every day
Souv
You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
Souv
You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
Metabolism also plays a role there, my brother doesn't exercise and can eat whatever he wants and as much as he wants without gaining wait. It's realy unfair.
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<<yeah, he ate McD's for a month, he also didn't excersise. >>
Yes but his point was that this is the way many of us are. We eat fast food because it's...fast. We don't exercise because we're busy. Yes we "know" that fast food is bad and exercise is good, but "knowing" it and seeing the results of it in someone deliberately doing it are entirely different.
It's like..."knowing" drinking and driving is a bad combination, and then seeing Red Asphalt. Or worse, being in a car with a driver who's drunk.
Or like "knowing" smoking is bad for you, and then seeing the bedsore on your dad's bum when you have to change the bandage because he's hooked up to a feeding tube and dying of cancer.
Is it sensationalistic? Darn tootin' it is, but sometimes that's what it takes to get our attention. Whether you agree with how it was presented or not is irrelevant in my opinion...the information it conveyed is still important, and stuff that a lot of people needed to be exposed to.
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Yes but his point was that this is the way many of us are. We eat fast food because it's...fast. We don't exercise because we're busy. Yes we "know" that fast food is bad and exercise is good, but "knowing" it and seeing the results of it in someone deliberately doing it are entirely different.
It's like..."knowing" drinking and driving is a bad combination, and then seeing Red Asphalt. Or worse, being in a car with a driver who's drunk.
Or like "knowing" smoking is bad for you, and then seeing the bedsore on your dad's bum when you have to change the bandage because he's hooked up to a feeding tube and dying of cancer.
Is it sensationalistic? Darn tootin' it is, but sometimes that's what it takes to get our attention. Whether you agree with how it was presented or not is irrelevant in my opinion...the information it conveyed is still important, and stuff that a lot of people needed to be exposed to.
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Throwing in my two cents here, since I do occasionally go to McDs.
One of the biggest problems I saw with "Super-Size Me" was that he was a very healthy eater prior to the beginning of his experiment, mostly vegetarian, with a strong workout regimen. His body was probably used to burning a certain amount of calories each day. Suddenly, he jumps to a high-fat, high-carb, high-calorie diet with a decrease in his out-take. Of course he's going to balloon, of course he's going to feel listless, his body is not used to it.
If I, on the other hand, were to go on that diet, I would still probably gain some weight, but no where near (percentage-wise) that he did. My body is used to a high intake of carbohydrates (soda, milk and bread, primarily), and a high intake of fat (fast food and milk, as well as a lot of meat). The adjustment from my current diet to that of McDonald's would not be nearly as large as his was, in addition to the fact that McD's food is "healthier" than it was during SuperSize Me.
Similar problem with opponents of the Atkins diet. Frequently I hear "no-carb and extremely low-carb diets are bad for your heart in the long run". Exactly...but a lot of people don't realize that the Atkins "diet" is actually a diet system, it compromises four different "diets". One of these diets is an absolutely no-carb diet (and is rarely used since people who don't respond to the first style of diet are rare). The diet most people criticize is simply the adjustment (Induction) diet: it's the diet intended to reverse the bad that's been done to your system and start you losing weight, which you maintain through the slightly higher carb Weight-loss diet. The other big part of this is, if I were to cut all sodas out my day, most desserts and didn't buy pre-processed food, I would be pretty much where I'd need to be for the Weight-Loss diet.
The only reason I'm not still on Atkins: it's incredibly expensive for someone on my budget. Almost all cheap food has bread or flour in it...meaning lots of carbs and a no-no on Atkins. It's a great diet if you can eat steak or a large portion of meat every meal, but otherwise the Induction diet is very pricey, IMO.
SuperSize Me did cause one change to me: I stopped eating McGriddles. Finding out that those tiny little sandwiches were almost as bad as a Big Mac for you kind of turned me off them.
Sorry for the food rant, but I've put at least a modicum of thought into this.
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One of the biggest problems I saw with "Super-Size Me" was that he was a very healthy eater prior to the beginning of his experiment, mostly vegetarian, with a strong workout regimen. His body was probably used to burning a certain amount of calories each day. Suddenly, he jumps to a high-fat, high-carb, high-calorie diet with a decrease in his out-take. Of course he's going to balloon, of course he's going to feel listless, his body is not used to it.
If I, on the other hand, were to go on that diet, I would still probably gain some weight, but no where near (percentage-wise) that he did. My body is used to a high intake of carbohydrates (soda, milk and bread, primarily), and a high intake of fat (fast food and milk, as well as a lot of meat). The adjustment from my current diet to that of McDonald's would not be nearly as large as his was, in addition to the fact that McD's food is "healthier" than it was during SuperSize Me.
Similar problem with opponents of the Atkins diet. Frequently I hear "no-carb and extremely low-carb diets are bad for your heart in the long run". Exactly...but a lot of people don't realize that the Atkins "diet" is actually a diet system, it compromises four different "diets". One of these diets is an absolutely no-carb diet (and is rarely used since people who don't respond to the first style of diet are rare). The diet most people criticize is simply the adjustment (Induction) diet: it's the diet intended to reverse the bad that's been done to your system and start you losing weight, which you maintain through the slightly higher carb Weight-loss diet. The other big part of this is, if I were to cut all sodas out my day, most desserts and didn't buy pre-processed food, I would be pretty much where I'd need to be for the Weight-Loss diet.
The only reason I'm not still on Atkins: it's incredibly expensive for someone on my budget. Almost all cheap food has bread or flour in it...meaning lots of carbs and a no-no on Atkins. It's a great diet if you can eat steak or a large portion of meat every meal, but otherwise the Induction diet is very pricey, IMO.
SuperSize Me did cause one change to me: I stopped eating McGriddles. Finding out that those tiny little sandwiches were almost as bad as a Big Mac for you kind of turned me off them.
Sorry for the food rant, but I've put at least a modicum of thought into this.
-GM Obseden
"To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven."
Frankly...
If anything has fully stopped me from going to McDonald's now (I prefer places like Jack in the Box or A&W) it is the horror stories I hear about the place sanitation-wise. I'm sure other places have had similar incidents, but I have yet to hear of anything that rivals McDonald's in terms of frequency and severity.
Stuff like reports of a McDonald's restaurant in Walsgrave, England that was shut down for serving food for over four hours with raw sewage on the kitchen floor. Confirmed stories of things like bloody bandaids in food. Ech.
Though on second thought it's probably safer to buy some Angus beef at the store and make my own hamburgers. Heh.
But I'm slightly off-topic now. Back to talk of toxic diets and bad fast food.
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If anything has fully stopped me from going to McDonald's now (I prefer places like Jack in the Box or A&W) it is the horror stories I hear about the place sanitation-wise. I'm sure other places have had similar incidents, but I have yet to hear of anything that rivals McDonald's in terms of frequency and severity.
Stuff like reports of a McDonald's restaurant in Walsgrave, England that was shut down for serving food for over four hours with raw sewage on the kitchen floor. Confirmed stories of things like bloody bandaids in food. Ech.
Though on second thought it's probably safer to buy some Angus beef at the store and make my own hamburgers. Heh.
But I'm slightly off-topic now. Back to talk of toxic diets and bad fast food.
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Melvosis is giggling at you.
>You're only tackling one side of the point too... yeah, he ate McD's for a month, he also didn't excersise. I ate McD's at least once a day for 4 years and I never got above 165 lbs. The difference? I ran 5 miles every day
That doesn't mean eating McD's is good for you. All that shows is that exercising is good for you, so good for you that it counteracted the junk.
'Super Size Me' was not presented or intended as a scientific or representative study in any way. It's just one man's experience eating nothing but food he got at McDonald's for a month. Whether you agree with the methodology or not, there's no denying that the movie was pretty darned effective in making its point. And the point IMO was more about portion sizes and overeating, and the marketing of such, more than the underlying poor quality of the food itself.
That doesn't mean eating McD's is good for you. All that shows is that exercising is good for you, so good for you that it counteracted the junk.
'Super Size Me' was not presented or intended as a scientific or representative study in any way. It's just one man's experience eating nothing but food he got at McDonald's for a month. Whether you agree with the methodology or not, there's no denying that the movie was pretty darned effective in making its point. And the point IMO was more about portion sizes and overeating, and the marketing of such, more than the underlying poor quality of the food itself.
>Sorry for the food rant, but I've put at least a modicum of thought into this.
Yeah, well, I've been on both sides of it and will be again. My room mate desperately needs to gain weight, so I'm going to be pulling out all my old tricks for how to pack it on a human. Mostly its just cranking up the density of the food, without going to pure sugar because that just mangles the blood sugar levels, particularly in someone who's already sick. Mostly its just fats, particularly vegetable and saturated fats, like avocados, nuts, butter, olive oil and lard/tallow.
Atkins, yeah, I've known people who've done really well on it, but I'm interested to see how well it works now that all the fast food and chain places have picked up on it. Honestly, if you're really following Atkins, yeah, you're gonna loose weight because you've yanked out the absolutely worst part of the American diet ... ultra-processed 'fake' food. Now that Atkins has become popular, there's all this fake food for Atkins. Uh, yeah, right.
Even if you pull just chips, crackers and 'snack' foods, you've improved your diet by a huge margin. Saved a lot of money, too. I'd love to find out how much was spent on Supersize Me, just on the food budget alone. Just think, a potato is about a dime, a small bag of fries are a buck. Duh.
>The only reason I'm not still on Atkins: it's incredibly expensive for someone on my budget.
Actually I think this is good sized part of why people loose weight on Atkins ... they can't afford to eat, so they cut their calories. I could never afford Atkins. That and I do eat a lot of pasta, real bread, potatoes and rice. However, none of those are refined to death. There's a huge difference between the real thing even in refined carbs, and the ultra-processed variety. Ready Mac (tm) is a long ways from fresh cooked pasta baked with a white cheese sauce. Wonderbread isn't a crusty loaf of sourdough. Ore-Ida Scalloped potatoes have no relationship to a huge baked potato with butter, sour cream, cheese and chives. Minute Rice is purely an abomination and downright evil.
In the end though, I have seen and do every time I visit my folks, the exact same thing that the guy who did Supersize Me went through. I've watched people put on literally hundreds of pounds eating that garbage. Yes, 200 or more pounds. I'm not joking. We're talking people who weigh 350-400-450 pounds or more. None of them would know a fresh vegetable, a fresh piece of cheese or even a bowl of unprocessed rice if it bit them on the nose! They also can't stand to eat real, unprocessed food, either they've become so dependant on garbage. To them its 'bland' or 'tastes funny' or 'too spicy' or something. I've never seen my mother, for example, eat a piece of fruit or a piece of cheese or a floret of fresh broccoli. Everything comes out of a box or a can or a jar.
When you've seen someone who's 600+ pounds, with their stomach stapling surgery wound wide open from sternum to groin because their circulation is so poor they can't even keep up with the infection rotting them from the inside out ... then you'll understand why I'm so down on this crud we all keep getting shoved in our faces. No, people don't need to eat it, but if we don't, then maybe they'll stop trying to foist this garbage off on us and calling it food. Or at least give us some options when we don't want to cook at home and would like to be able to pick up something quick and easy. I've spent hours in the grocery store, when I was hungry no less, trying to find something quick to heat up that looked vaguely edible ... I usually just put up with a piece of fruit and maybe some cheese. Not exactly dinner, but when you can't even get a loaf of real bread at the grocery store, what're ya gonna do?
Yeah, well, I've been on both sides of it and will be again. My room mate desperately needs to gain weight, so I'm going to be pulling out all my old tricks for how to pack it on a human. Mostly its just cranking up the density of the food, without going to pure sugar because that just mangles the blood sugar levels, particularly in someone who's already sick. Mostly its just fats, particularly vegetable and saturated fats, like avocados, nuts, butter, olive oil and lard/tallow.
Atkins, yeah, I've known people who've done really well on it, but I'm interested to see how well it works now that all the fast food and chain places have picked up on it. Honestly, if you're really following Atkins, yeah, you're gonna loose weight because you've yanked out the absolutely worst part of the American diet ... ultra-processed 'fake' food. Now that Atkins has become popular, there's all this fake food for Atkins. Uh, yeah, right.
Even if you pull just chips, crackers and 'snack' foods, you've improved your diet by a huge margin. Saved a lot of money, too. I'd love to find out how much was spent on Supersize Me, just on the food budget alone. Just think, a potato is about a dime, a small bag of fries are a buck. Duh.
>The only reason I'm not still on Atkins: it's incredibly expensive for someone on my budget.
Actually I think this is good sized part of why people loose weight on Atkins ... they can't afford to eat, so they cut their calories. I could never afford Atkins. That and I do eat a lot of pasta, real bread, potatoes and rice. However, none of those are refined to death. There's a huge difference between the real thing even in refined carbs, and the ultra-processed variety. Ready Mac (tm) is a long ways from fresh cooked pasta baked with a white cheese sauce. Wonderbread isn't a crusty loaf of sourdough. Ore-Ida Scalloped potatoes have no relationship to a huge baked potato with butter, sour cream, cheese and chives. Minute Rice is purely an abomination and downright evil.
In the end though, I have seen and do every time I visit my folks, the exact same thing that the guy who did Supersize Me went through. I've watched people put on literally hundreds of pounds eating that garbage. Yes, 200 or more pounds. I'm not joking. We're talking people who weigh 350-400-450 pounds or more. None of them would know a fresh vegetable, a fresh piece of cheese or even a bowl of unprocessed rice if it bit them on the nose! They also can't stand to eat real, unprocessed food, either they've become so dependant on garbage. To them its 'bland' or 'tastes funny' or 'too spicy' or something. I've never seen my mother, for example, eat a piece of fruit or a piece of cheese or a floret of fresh broccoli. Everything comes out of a box or a can or a jar.
When you've seen someone who's 600+ pounds, with their stomach stapling surgery wound wide open from sternum to groin because their circulation is so poor they can't even keep up with the infection rotting them from the inside out ... then you'll understand why I'm so down on this crud we all keep getting shoved in our faces. No, people don't need to eat it, but if we don't, then maybe they'll stop trying to foist this garbage off on us and calling it food. Or at least give us some options when we don't want to cook at home and would like to be able to pick up something quick and easy. I've spent hours in the grocery store, when I was hungry no less, trying to find something quick to heat up that looked vaguely edible ... I usually just put up with a piece of fruit and maybe some cheese. Not exactly dinner, but when you can't even get a loaf of real bread at the grocery store, what're ya gonna do?
<<I'm sure other places have had similar incidents>>
>The things I could tell you about movie theater food...
I work in film/TV production, and every now and then we shoot on location in restaurants, many of them quite high-end. I've learned that you don't want to see the kitchen (especially what is behind and under all the appliances) if you intend to come back and eat there.
>The things I could tell you about movie theater food...
I work in film/TV production, and every now and then we shoot on location in restaurants, many of them quite high-end. I've learned that you don't want to see the kitchen (especially what is behind and under all the appliances) if you intend to come back and eat there.
When I used to work in fast food I was darn sure my kitchen was spotless. I was obessive about making sure everything was clean, correct food handling was being done, correct hand washing was being followed, cross contamination happend as little as is humanly possible, and I never faked a meat temp.
It's sad to say that as a manger I was NOT normal. I used to stop by on my days off (I'm a sick, sick person) and the crew would rush into the kitchen to fix or hide anything they shouldn't have been doing.
All managers in food service must take a food safetly class mandated by the fed. goverment. It's supposed to be a two day class, we took it in one. The instructer had us read all the questions in the test booklet and then had us answer them as a class before we were given the little fill in the cirlce test sheet. On the second testing day the store managers went and took the test. My store manager informed me that three other store managers in our district were taking the test for not only themselves but for other managers in thier stores. One of them was doing 5 tests not including his own.
It really is scary.
Fun Food Fact: Anyone may at anytime request to see the last inspection report done by the state. If the resturant is unable to produce this report you can call the Health Inspector and that resturant will be shut down until another inspection is done. The resturant will also be given a large fine. Think about that next time while your out to eat.
~Nexty
It's sad to say that as a manger I was NOT normal. I used to stop by on my days off (I'm a sick, sick person) and the crew would rush into the kitchen to fix or hide anything they shouldn't have been doing.
All managers in food service must take a food safetly class mandated by the fed. goverment. It's supposed to be a two day class, we took it in one. The instructer had us read all the questions in the test booklet and then had us answer them as a class before we were given the little fill in the cirlce test sheet. On the second testing day the store managers went and took the test. My store manager informed me that three other store managers in our district were taking the test for not only themselves but for other managers in thier stores. One of them was doing 5 tests not including his own.
It really is scary.
Fun Food Fact: Anyone may at anytime request to see the last inspection report done by the state. If the resturant is unable to produce this report you can call the Health Inspector and that resturant will be shut down until another inspection is done. The resturant will also be given a large fine. Think about that next time while your out to eat.
~Nexty
<<I have an old employer I'd love to get back at :)>>
Not specificly, but there are some things you can do that will make them unhappy.
If that company makes printers, as in actually puts the parts together and whatnot, I'm sure there are fed. standards on safety that must be followed. Looking through your states homepage should give you someone you can call to report a safety violation. This can be done anonymously and all reports of violations must be investigated. You really shouldn't report unless you at least think there is a violation though.
You can also report them to the states labor board. If anyone has to punch in or out in anyway but they don't recive a "recite" that shows when they did that, it's a labor violation. It's also a violation if you work more then 5 hours without a break, unless you've been asked and decided not to take it. This is also not a violation if you can eat and work at the same time, I'm not exactly sure what type of job that would work with though. If you decided not to take it you must sign someone saying you are giving up your break for that day.
All that is before you add in all the labor laws for minors. For every labor violation involving a minor there's a $10,000 price tag attached. That price may be the same for all violations, but when I was a manger minors causing violations were my biggest concern.
The labor board also inspects violations in firing practice and some types of workplace conditions. If your asked to do something against some law, the labor board can investigate. The state DA might be pretty intrested in that as well.
Reporting for most labor violations can be anonymously done as well.
The key to getting your workplace into trouble is documentation. Keep good documentation everytime they violate some law. I used to keep a folder at home that I put dated entrys in everytime something wrong happend. Like when another manager threatend to punch me, it went in the folder, when the upper levels of management gave almost no responce to my complaint, it went in the folder. When I was told to stop explaining specific labor laws to the crew I put that in the folder. Ya get the idea.
If you let me know what state you live in I can try digging some stuff up that works for your particular state. Well, when I get home from work. Funny, I left a job where I was threatened to be hit to work in a job where I am hit...Often in fact.
~Nexty
Not specificly, but there are some things you can do that will make them unhappy.
If that company makes printers, as in actually puts the parts together and whatnot, I'm sure there are fed. standards on safety that must be followed. Looking through your states homepage should give you someone you can call to report a safety violation. This can be done anonymously and all reports of violations must be investigated. You really shouldn't report unless you at least think there is a violation though.
You can also report them to the states labor board. If anyone has to punch in or out in anyway but they don't recive a "recite" that shows when they did that, it's a labor violation. It's also a violation if you work more then 5 hours without a break, unless you've been asked and decided not to take it. This is also not a violation if you can eat and work at the same time, I'm not exactly sure what type of job that would work with though. If you decided not to take it you must sign someone saying you are giving up your break for that day.
All that is before you add in all the labor laws for minors. For every labor violation involving a minor there's a $10,000 price tag attached. That price may be the same for all violations, but when I was a manger minors causing violations were my biggest concern.
The labor board also inspects violations in firing practice and some types of workplace conditions. If your asked to do something against some law, the labor board can investigate. The state DA might be pretty intrested in that as well.
Reporting for most labor violations can be anonymously done as well.
The key to getting your workplace into trouble is documentation. Keep good documentation everytime they violate some law. I used to keep a folder at home that I put dated entrys in everytime something wrong happend. Like when another manager threatend to punch me, it went in the folder, when the upper levels of management gave almost no responce to my complaint, it went in the folder. When I was told to stop explaining specific labor laws to the crew I put that in the folder. Ya get the idea.
If you let me know what state you live in I can try digging some stuff up that works for your particular state. Well, when I get home from work. Funny, I left a job where I was threatened to be hit to work in a job where I am hit...Often in fact.
~Nexty
I'm not going to ask about hitting, it's probably something I don't want to know. And if I had a nickel for everything my last job did that I knew wasn't on the up and up, I wouldn't care because I wouldn't have to work again. Unfortunately, the Kansas department of Unemployment insurance decided that my reason for leaving wasn't good enough to be justified as "good cause attributable to the work or the employer" Apparently being asked to provide pricing for an illegal act isn't the same as being asked to do it, even if the illegal act has already been done prior to you working there. Lessons learned I guess
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You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
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You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
>It's also a violation if you work more then 5 hours without a break, unless you've been asked and decided not to take it. This is also not a violation if you can eat and work at the same time, I'm not exactly sure what type of job that would work with though.
In my industry, that's precisely the way it's done, although few people know the real reason why I think. On a film shoot, it's impractical to say the least to stop production every few hours for a crew coffee break. So that requirement is satisfied by the full-time availability of a snack table, what is known in the biz as 'craft services'. It can be anything from a card table with candy and cold-cuts, to a full-time chef with a fully stocked catering truck, depending on how much money the producers have/want to spend. The work is such that you ordinarily have alternating periods of high activity and downtime so it's usually not difficult to grab a quick bite or a drink when you need it.
There are a few labor practices in film production that I've wondered about though... particularly the concept of forced overtime. Noone in my business complains about it (well, we complain a lot but don't do anything ;) ), because it's understood that once you accept the job, you are expected to stay until the day's shooting is completed. Which can be 12, 16, 20 hours later sometimes. But I've always wondered if there are any federal or state limits to the number of hours you can compel someone to work in one day.
In my industry, that's precisely the way it's done, although few people know the real reason why I think. On a film shoot, it's impractical to say the least to stop production every few hours for a crew coffee break. So that requirement is satisfied by the full-time availability of a snack table, what is known in the biz as 'craft services'. It can be anything from a card table with candy and cold-cuts, to a full-time chef with a fully stocked catering truck, depending on how much money the producers have/want to spend. The work is such that you ordinarily have alternating periods of high activity and downtime so it's usually not difficult to grab a quick bite or a drink when you need it.
There are a few labor practices in film production that I've wondered about though... particularly the concept of forced overtime. Noone in my business complains about it (well, we complain a lot but don't do anything ;) ), because it's understood that once you accept the job, you are expected to stay until the day's shooting is completed. Which can be 12, 16, 20 hours later sometimes. But I've always wondered if there are any federal or state limits to the number of hours you can compel someone to work in one day.
As someone in a related business (theatre technician), I believe that as long as they pay you, it's legal.
That being said, anytime you go over 16 hours in a production (in theatre or film, since they have similar rules), productions start hemorrhaging cash.
Course, theatre doesn't have craft service. You either take an hour break every five hours for lunch, or you can provide a (paid) meal for a half hour every five hours. Hence why most load-ins/outs take just under 5 hours :)
Sorry, I could talk about technical production all day, but right now I have to go to a load-in.
See those of you at Simucon who'll be there, the rest I'll "see" when I get back.
-GM Obseden
"To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven."
That being said, anytime you go over 16 hours in a production (in theatre or film, since they have similar rules), productions start hemorrhaging cash.
Course, theatre doesn't have craft service. You either take an hour break every five hours for lunch, or you can provide a (paid) meal for a half hour every five hours. Hence why most load-ins/outs take just under 5 hours :)
Sorry, I could talk about technical production all day, but right now I have to go to a load-in.
See those of you at Simucon who'll be there, the rest I'll "see" when I get back.
-GM Obseden
"To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven."
<<But I've always wondered if there are any federal or state limits to the number of hours you can compel someone to work in one day.>>
Federal no, state...well it depends. Generally speaking a state will only pass a law that limits forced overtime when it deals with specific jobs. For instance, in the mid 80's New York State decided to pass a law limiting the hours a house officer(medical intern) could work in a week. Instead of working somtimes as many as 110 hours a week they were limited to only 80 hours a week. This does still mean that every fourth day they will have worked for about 36 hours by the end of thier shift.
From my experence forced overtime is something unions take up the fight to limit. I know it's often a sticking point for Nurseing unions.
<< I believe that as long as they pay you, it's legal.>>
Sorta. If you have a specific set of hours that are either posted(which is a legial binding contract) or a part of any contract you sign then you don't have to workout beyond them. Unless of course you work in the medical field even more so if your job requires a special license like mine does. If I just walked off on a patient because it was the end of my shift I'd be in some really, really, really big trouble. Like loose my job, loose my license, maybe go to jail sort of trouble.
~Nexty
Federal no, state...well it depends. Generally speaking a state will only pass a law that limits forced overtime when it deals with specific jobs. For instance, in the mid 80's New York State decided to pass a law limiting the hours a house officer(medical intern) could work in a week. Instead of working somtimes as many as 110 hours a week they were limited to only 80 hours a week. This does still mean that every fourth day they will have worked for about 36 hours by the end of thier shift.
From my experence forced overtime is something unions take up the fight to limit. I know it's often a sticking point for Nurseing unions.
<< I believe that as long as they pay you, it's legal.>>
Sorta. If you have a specific set of hours that are either posted(which is a legial binding contract) or a part of any contract you sign then you don't have to workout beyond them. Unless of course you work in the medical field even more so if your job requires a special license like mine does. If I just walked off on a patient because it was the end of my shift I'd be in some really, really, really big trouble. Like loose my job, loose my license, maybe go to jail sort of trouble.
~Nexty
><< I believe that as long as they pay you, it's legal.>>
>Sorta. If you have a specific set of hours that are either posted(which is a legial binding contract) or a part of any contract you sign then you don't have to workout beyond them.
Or you're exempt. All professionals tend to come under this rubrik, at which point they can do just about anything to you they want. 110+ hours a week with nothing paid over 40 and only a mirage of 'comp time' somewhere out there did happen during the height of the dot com craze. There were people who hadn't seen their kids for weeks, if not months.
Dilbert is alive and well in the tech industry. I'm glad to be shed of it, quite honestly. I like having weekends and evenings away from work.
And its all legal, too. Only non-exempt employees can even organize in groups. Engineers, scientists, lawyers, etc can't protest working conditions or hours since they're part of management, supposedly. If you complain, you're fired or if you try to get together with your buddies for some protection, you're in violation of RICO. Its sleazy and cheap, but I'm glad to have some protection as just one of the grunts being an admin assistant after being an engineer. I will work over hours and on weekends to get things done, but I don't have to and if I don't want to I can stay home or go out and play. I don't have to live for my job first, before my family, my friends and even my health anymore and I won't go back there.
Yeah, theoretically professionals get 'comp time' or other forms of compensation for insane hours. Some companies do it, but most just say, 'Get back to work or there's the door. We have a hire at will policy.'
>Sorta. If you have a specific set of hours that are either posted(which is a legial binding contract) or a part of any contract you sign then you don't have to workout beyond them.
Or you're exempt. All professionals tend to come under this rubrik, at which point they can do just about anything to you they want. 110+ hours a week with nothing paid over 40 and only a mirage of 'comp time' somewhere out there did happen during the height of the dot com craze. There were people who hadn't seen their kids for weeks, if not months.
Dilbert is alive and well in the tech industry. I'm glad to be shed of it, quite honestly. I like having weekends and evenings away from work.
And its all legal, too. Only non-exempt employees can even organize in groups. Engineers, scientists, lawyers, etc can't protest working conditions or hours since they're part of management, supposedly. If you complain, you're fired or if you try to get together with your buddies for some protection, you're in violation of RICO. Its sleazy and cheap, but I'm glad to have some protection as just one of the grunts being an admin assistant after being an engineer. I will work over hours and on weekends to get things done, but I don't have to and if I don't want to I can stay home or go out and play. I don't have to live for my job first, before my family, my friends and even my health anymore and I won't go back there.
Yeah, theoretically professionals get 'comp time' or other forms of compensation for insane hours. Some companies do it, but most just say, 'Get back to work or there's the door. We have a hire at will policy.'
