You sense:
The presence of a young Elven woman.
You sense (W, S) from your current position:
The presence of Nimmi, a fellow Empath.

>exp emp

Circle: 43

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning
Empathy: 219 99.41% very muddled

Liisu Gunrencer, Bone Collector of M'Riss

Sagess is right. I find power perception to be much more helpful in percieving health than empathy. (then again mine are fairly close so maybe i'm imagining it)

I think it might be a compound requirement, such as PP has to be above a certain number and empathy has to be above a certain number. In previous threads about this, it was shown that different empaths passed perc health threshholds at the same empathy rank.

Do you recall your skill ranks when you first started to get 2-room-aways? My guess is a combined 400 ranks, which would suggest a standard 200 ranks per room scale. This would mean that you basically only need another 50 combined ranks to get 3-room-aways and to do it often around 60-75 or so.

My only given, however, is 1-room-aways at a flat 200 combined ranks.

J'Lo, no that other one
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html

>What's the threshold for an empath 3 rooms away? I'm around 300 empathy and 250 power perception. am I close?!

That's the threshold I was referring to, actually. I started seeing empaths three rooms away at precisely 340 ranks of empathy, and somewhere around 280 PP. BTW once I passed that number I sensed empaths three rooms away 100% of the time (or at least it seemed so--there aren't always empaths three rooms away, natch). Soon after I posted about that, someone else chimed in that they too had first sensed empaths three rooms away at exactly 340 ranks empathy as well.

I really don't think it's combined ranks (PP + E >= X), because that would make it considerably less likely that two empaths would reach the threshold at exactly the same ranks of empathy. Rather, I think you need to exceed minimums in each skill (PP>=X AND E>=Y).

Another point to bear in mind is that most empaths have magic skills well above req so most of us will see the change only when we rank in Empathy. It should also be harder to identify the PP threshold since by that point you've already passed it.

With much less than 340 empathy, I can sense an empath three rooms away. Not sure about consistently, but I've done it, so the minimum for doing so is not 340 - may really just have been coincidence. PP less than 250 as well.

~Chris

BTW just so we all are on the same page... the room you are in is considered room zero, one room away is room one, etc.

You sense (N, E, NE) from your current position:
The presence of X, a fellow Empath.

340 + 280 = 620, which is roughly matching what I've said about needing more ranks to actually notice you've gotten the ability. I would guess that the other empath had at least as much PP as you did, too.

>>With much less than 340 empathy, I can sense an empath three rooms away. Not sure about consistently, but I've done it, so the minimum for doing so is not 340 - may really just have been coincidence. PP less than 250 as well.

Who wants to wager that Chris has unusually high stats (perhaps discipline)?

J'Lo, no that other one
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html

I'm pretty sure it's a combination of PP and Empathy. It's also hard to test because there might not always be an empath to sense that is three rooms away. You might have been able to sense them earlier, they were just never around.

I'll go with the 200 combined for one room away

I didn't know that PP affected it when I wrote down some of my stats...but when I had 170 in Empathy I first sensed a non-empath 1 room away.

Sensed empath 2 rooms away with 223 Empathy and 167 PP. Which is 390 total ranks...so maybe it doesn't go up exactly 200 total ranks each time. Maybe a certain stat has something to do with it?

~Ahri

<<So your Empathy is currently still below 340, and your PP is currently still below 250? And you can sense three rooms away right now?>>

Yes.

~Chris

While we're on the topic of perceive health, someone want to tell me approximate ranks for when it'll become reliable for perceiving NPCs and the like?

My prime Empath was already good enough to use it reliably when it was released, and I'm trying to train up a little Empath in plat. Empathy ranks are hard to come by, and right now (with 22 Empathy and 35 Power Perception) I can very rarely perceive other Empaths in the same room. I'd like to know how far I have to go and how hard I should be training PP, if anyone knows. :)

For what it's worth...

At 87 PP and 117 Empathy, I am still only rarely perceiving empaths in the next room. I get the more/less mana in the adjoining rooms message most of the time, and the attunement disruption message on occasion. I first started noticing 1 room aways around 84 PP and mana levels around 73 PP (didn't notice empathy, but it was between 110-115).

If I had to guess, I'd say I get 1 room away 10%, mana levels 80%, and disruption about 40% of the time that I perc heal. This is only counting room aways when I know there's an empath over there. I'm not a stat keeper, though...