For my own curiosity I'm going to run a quick informal poll. Most likely my next two Moon Mage development projects are going to be one of the following two (Though between the release of XCOM2, work, school and the Super Bowl I may not be able to dive in and get started for a week or so...)

1) Write the Perception Rituals I've discussed that will improve prediction performance (What I've been calling Braun's Conjecture and Destiny Cipher).

2) Give the Teleologic Sorcery spell book an QoL overhaul.

-Raesh

p.s. There's also a third option "Clean up the Enlightened Geometry spellbook" but I don't think that's very interesting to anyone since it's mostly a few bug fixes and I wanted to pit the other two options against each other since this is for my amusement.

1. rituals

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2 for me. Love the theme of them, hard to find a practical use.

2 please!

1.


- Navesi

2 please. Love the concept of TS but just haven't figured out how to make any of the spells viable options. Would be great to see them further developed.

Since opinions were requested, I'd be more interested in number 1. Even with some quality of life upgrades, I don't really see myself using a ton of teleological sorcery anytime soon.

- Miskton

I'm a bit torn by this choice. I use Teleology for the two primary purposes of astrology experience and being able to modify failed predictions.

The first purpose is now partially supplanted by the new spell RTR and would be even more so with the two new rituals as well. The learning potential of a self cast TV is also going to be scaled back with a rewrite, so either way I lose this reason for using teleology. This aspect sways my choice towards the prediction rituals.

Teleology also comes with the cost of having horrible predictions (and tool bond rates, although that's a subjective observation that I can't prove one way or the other) which pretty much defeats the purpose of the second reason I use it. A teleologic revamp could potentially remedy this, so this aspect sways my choice towards teleologic updates.

In practical terms, the above combination means I had already mostly given up using teleology because I wanted to work on bonding my tools and also be able to make the most out of 'fixing' a prediction that didn't land where I wanted to. RTR being released has further cemented this choice, since it serves to replace the learning rate increase I gave up with not being able to use TV frequently. I never make use of the pvp centric teleology in their current states, SoD and SeT, since their pve aspects are minor at best and duplicate stuff we can do already respectively.

A third consideration is that you mentioned in previous threads that the two ritual spells are actually pretty easy to hammer out, since they're not messaging heavy. Simple logistics would indicate that it's better to get those two spells out of the way first so that they aren't held up by a more complex revamp of teleology. This of course depends on how much of a QoL change you are intending to do with teleology.

All that said, I still like teleology, but there would need to be a better reason to stay at capped corruption. If the teleology QoL update fixes this then I would vote for that, otherwise just go with the prediction rituals. If you must have a binary vote, however, then put mine down for teleology QoL.

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<If you must have a binary vote, however, then put mine down for teleology QoL.

Thanks for the easy number 2 vote Absalon.

I prefer perception rituals, but teleologic magic needs a lot of love and I have sympathy for those that want to play a moonmage interested in teleological sorcery.

>No interest in teleologic sorcery or predictions.

I have to ask, what's your interest in moon mages?

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

I assumed the answer would be along those lines but was curious to see if that was correct.

There's an argument for either Warrior Mages or Moon Mages being the most 'Generic Mage' in the game - depending on what mind set you approach from. It's not something we go out of our way to support, but it's not something we discourage either.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

Neither prediction or teleo sorcery float my boat for the most part either, though its mostly because the only time i'd really want to use prediction is for PvP and I never have any pools filled up it seems. So I figure some spells to help out prediction and having access to pools faster might change that.

>There's an argument for either Warrior Mages or Moon Mages being the most 'Generic Mage' in the game - depending on what mind set you approach from. It's not something we go out of our way to support, but it's not something we discourage either.

To me, Warrior Mages (and Clerics) feel more like an 'Arcane Blade' archetype - that is, they're warriors that use magic, not mages that also use swords.

Moon Mages are more archetypal 'pure mages' - that is, Gandalf can swing a sword, but he's not particularly good at it, and no one really pays attention to him when he does.

Again, a sort of D3 Wizard vs D3 Crusader - both use magic, one uses distinctly more magic.

<Moon Mages are more archetypal 'pure mages' - that is, Gandalf can swing a sword, but he's not particularly good at it, and no one really pays attention to him when he does.

Gandalf battled a balrog with his sword. Cave trolls also. Kind of funny, but Gandalf never really used a whole lot of magic, since Wizards in middle earth are not supposed to really use their powers unless its against another of their kind that needs to be reigned in. But, it woulda been a lot cooler if he did...

I always thought that:

Gandalf = Warrior Mage
Merlin = Moon Mage

Although I haven't played one more than 10 or so circles, I always liked the fact that Moon Mages were one of the guilds this game had that could legitimately go without combat. In fact, that was one of my favorite things about the game way back in the day, that it had guilds that could be entirely social and non-combat, and actually advance in the game.

Specifically on topic, I like that Moon Mages are a magic prime guild that isn't necessarily combat focused. I was always surprised at not only the ability of Warrior Mages and Clerics in physical combat, but the requirement for it. Not necessarily given their aesthetics, but the fact that 2/3 of the magic primary guilds in the game have a proclivity for physical melee combat.

I feel like the fact that all of a Necromancer's direct offensive skills are secondary or worse sort of detracts from that a bit though (I know Thanatology is a modifier in some places, but not many, and not as important as secondary skills). TM as a primary skill is pretty nice.

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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

Sure - I understand the comparison is flawed insofar as Gandalf being a Maiar, I was referring more to the methods by which he fights. At least, he way I envisioned him fighting. Hacking and slashing wasn't I envisioned him doing in most conflicts, at least the one's that mattered.

This thread has gone places I did not expect.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things