I seem to remember it being linked with skinning. So if you skinning and thanatology are equal, and you can learn skinning from it then you can learn thanatology from it.

I may be misremembering though.

I am pretty sure I know the answer but I figure I will ask here.

As a level 1 necromancer it appears the only thing I can do to learn thanatology is 'perform preserve on X'.
Is this the case or did I miss something?
Higher levels will open up other avenues of learning?

Do all of the rituals essentially provide the same amount of skill or do the ones gained at later levels provide more skill?

<<Do all of the rituals essentially provide the same amount of skill or do the ones gained at later levels provide more skill?>>
I haven't tested this, but I feel harvest teaches better then preserve. I also feel I may be learning more when I get higher quality bits. Please don't quote me on that.


I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.

skill thana

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 44.40% clear (0/34)

Time Development Points: 39 Favors: 5 Deaths: 2
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information
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* Moving poorly, a drooling wildland goblin thrusts a carving knife at you. You block with a target shield.
[You're nimbly balanced with opponent in very strong position.]
>perform preserve on gob
You bend over the goblin's corpse, but are unable to discern where to direct your thanatological expertise in order to properly preserve the corpse.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>perform harvest on gob
You bend over the goblin's corpse, but fail to cut its body in the proper locations. You realize the misaligned markings ruin the body for any further attempts at rituals.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
The wildland goblin moves into a position to dodge.
R>skill thana

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 44.40% learning (3/34)


>skin
>
Skin what?
>skin gob
You can't skin something that's not dead!
>
* Trying weakly, a drooling wildland goblin jabs a carving knife at you. You block with a target shield.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent overwhelming you.]
>skin second gob
The goblin has already been skinned.
>loot

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 44.40% learning (3/34)

Time Development Points: 39 Favors: 5 Deaths: 2
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information>

killed another goblin
You bend over the goblin's corpse, but fail to cut its body in the proper locations. You realize the misaligned markings ruin the body for any further attempts at rituals.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>skill thana

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 44.40% thinking (5/34)

time passes while I kill another goblin

skill than

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 62.85% learning (3/34)

Time Development Points: 39 Favors: 5 Deaths: 2
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information
>perform harvest on gob
You bend over the goblin's corpse to make a few quick, precise motions with your ritual knife, focusing your thanatological insight intently in order to prepare it for harvesting. You then plunge your knife efficiently into the corpse and carve out a average piece of fetish material.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>skill than

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 62.85% thinking (5/34)
>perform preserve on gob
You bend over the goblin's corpse, but are unable to discern where to direct your thanatological expertise in order to properly preserve the corpse.
Roundtime: 4 sec.

The wildland goblin begins to advance on you!
The wildland goblin is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>pre bue
Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
You trace an arcane sigil in the air, shaping the pattern of the Butcher's Eye spell.
R>cast
You gesture.
You feel slight discomfort and an odd tingling sensation as you feel your mutative magic alter your eye, granting yourself the ability to more keenly discern the physiology of those around you.
skill thana

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 62.85% thinking (5/34)

Time Development Points: 39 Favors: 5 Deaths: 2
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information
R>perform harvest on gob
>
The wildland goblin moves into a position to parry.
>
You bend over the goblin's corpse to make a few quick, precise motions with your ritual knife, focusing your thanatological insight intently in order to prepare it for harvesting. You then plunge your knife efficiently into the corpse and carve out a average piece of fetish material.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>

>skill thana

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 62.85% pondering (7/34)

time passes while killing a goblin
R>skill than

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 81.30% considering (6/34)

Time Development Points: 39 Favors: 5 Deaths: 2
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information
R>drop mat
Having no further use for a average chunk of goblin material, you discard it. The material quickly degrades into uselessness.
>perform preserve on gob
You bend over the goblin's corpse to make a few quick, precise motions with your ritual knife, focusing your thanatological insight intently in order to preserve it from the natural decay of the elements for a time.
Roundtime: 4 sec.

R>skill than

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Thanatology: 9 81.30% pondering (7/34)


Granted this is a small test, however by failing to perform the ritual and thus being able to do 2 I learn just as much as if I use a buff spell and actually perform the ritual.
Is this intented?
Or did I do the test incorrectly?

I haven't really felt a complaint on training this skill. Mainly because I remember them saying that the Thanatology requirement was meant to be a pain. Think they were talking about it being placed into our secondary skillset lore round that time.

<<I thought harvest gave outrage, which we don't want?

You get divine outrage every time you circle. The point of the exercise is to not get so much divine outrage that the gods smack you down, not to never get any. It's going to happen.

I've been using harvest on every mob I kill, and although I don't cast many outrage spells I'm not worried. Maybe I'm wrong, but they do have to take into account that at some point we're going to be spamming consume in order to heal ourselves.

- T

You do realize that your ranks are so low that your exp is absorbing way faster then it normally would?

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"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!" ~ Leonardo da Vinci

<<You get divine outrage every time you circle.>>

I'd be curious to find out if this is true. I understand the lower limit rises, but does circling itself cause Outrage?
As in, say a range between 1-200, and your Outrage is as 85. When you join, say the lowest it can be is 0, but by circle 5, the lowest it can be is 50. If you have 85 Outrage, and circle five times, will your new Outrage be 85+50, or just 85, only decaying to 50...?


I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.

It's basically impossible to get any significant outrage from rituals alone, the outrage is so trivial that it's only there to ruin Redeemed.

-Z

redeemed sound so emo they should probably get a bonus to it

-Strk

Question: it was stated that Redeemed Necromancers will still be able to circle, but you seem (if I am interpreting this correctly) to be implying that rituals -which are the only source of thanatology experience - will be a source of outrage.

Will Redeemed Necros be forced to stick with preserve and only preserve to circle?

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"I hate you so much right now." -GM Armifer

Redeemed currently sounds like a more viable state than being a shocked Empath.

Be grateful.

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Rev. Reene

Kaedan says, "Darling, I'm -fabulous-."

I find myself taking up to an hour to lock it when hunting goblins using the preserve variety...is there a better less discreet way to train this? I keep hopin no one pops in as I perform the ritual...

Currently circle 6. Just looking for a way to build on my skills a little quicker then what I'm currently doin.

Thanks!

Keeping Than moving at low levels is somewhat difficult. It was quite painful until I accepted that I needed to kill things about as fast as they spawned to lock it up and just started spamming EB.

This has changed now that I have the stamina to swing a weapon with any degree of regularity.

Until I started hunting in areas I was comfortable to use harvest in it moved rather slowly. Now I'm able to get it up to around 22/34 with a steady killing pace. In short, it gets better, you just gotta stick with it.

The best way to learn is to kill faster. I have no problem locking thanatology using just preserve IF I fight extremely efficiently.

Try picking up a second weapon like 2he or HB that does more damage. When you're putting things down in one or two swings and it's an area with a good gen rate, you'll be a lot happier.

Sorry to double post guys, but I wanted to say I also find that if I hunt creatures that are a bit harder to do rituals on without have Butcher's eye up then you'll learn more.


No ranger stands alone.

What is this idea in which you speak of...

Friends?

Yeah, I struggled through it, but it made my toon better because of it.

Now i'm stuck in that stupid limbo spot between beisswurms and giving another shot to bloodwolves. Beisswurms are going to stretch me until at least 25th circle, if i can find a place that teaches swimming at a reasonable pace.

Here's to getting my teeth kicked in again.

Finished silver leucros at 39th.