Question about Social Outrage on 08/18/2016 09:03 AM CDT
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Does having an existing warrant for forbidden practices provide some kind of tick to our social outrage meter, or is it just the act of getting that charge that causes the increase?

Also, it would be really nice to even have a rough timescale given when using >justice to see how much longer the populace are going to remember.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/18/2016 12:08 PM CDT
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Doesn't the JUSTICE command have a couple of messages? One indication you are closer to not being suspected, versus everyone is sure you are a necro?

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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/18/2016 03:25 PM CDT
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My problem is after everyone is sure you are a necromancer, there is, as far as I know, infinite SO above that that you can accrue. So you have no idea how long you'll be in THAT state.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/18/2016 04:08 PM CDT
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You just need to stay out of town, off the gweth and don't stir up any more trouble with the guards.

It can take a week or more for it to go down.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/18/2016 04:16 PM CDT
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I really wish this was more like you screw up and you need to lay low for one or two play sessions rather than the foreseeable future. The shame spiral of excessive SO does more to align you to being a hermit than being persecuted.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/18/2016 10:10 PM CDT
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Spoiler (kind of... ish)...





There is a guild leader you can ask about how long you'd need to stay out of town, gives you the time in days. He/she/it is around a main hub. Don't want to give away too much on here, feel free to send an AIM to JerKilby if you don't care about having stuff like that spoiled for ya.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/19/2016 11:30 AM CDT
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I understand how to make it go down, I just would prefer a bit more timescale feedback besides None|Almost Gone|Whoa buddy -> to infinity.

If it were capped lower, which I'm not advocating for, then it wouldn't be a problem. Even if it's just
You think the commoners will remember your face for at least another #week/months, that'd be great.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/19/2016 11:32 AM CDT
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SO has a roof, it does not go up indefinitely.

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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/19/2016 11:47 AM CDT
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<<I understand how to make it go down, I just would prefer a bit more timescale feedback besides None|Almost Gone|Whoa buddy -> to infinity.
<<If it were capped lower, which I'm not advocating for, then it wouldn't be a problem. Even if it's just
<<You think the commoners will remember your face for at least another #week/months, that'd be great.

You might have missed it in the post right before yours since the formatting of the spacing makes it look like it's a signature, but he said that there's a certain guild leader that will tell you this information with a granularity of the number of days it will take.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/21/2016 02:46 PM CDT
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Ah, sorry about the spacing, I can see how that would throw things off. As an example I just purposely got myself locked out of town stuff and went to the guild leader.



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That's exact messaging from that guild leader (minus the name being removed), is all this necro stuff still hush hush or can I just tell people what guild leader and how to phrase their question?
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/21/2016 02:50 PM CDT
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Usually you can refer to the leader by the province they are located in (e.g. "the P3 guildlsader"). I am not as sure about the syntax, but you can probably share it. On the other hand usually a hint that is less than thinly veiled usually works just as well.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/22/2016 11:47 AM CDT
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Yeah, I missed the suggestion. For some reason I thought that leader talked about DO, which has never been an issue for me.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/22/2016 12:06 PM CDT
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Ok, so I went and spoke with a leader who would talk to me about outrage...

"Necromancer, you have garnered extra attention from the Immortals, and it may make traversing towns more difficult, but it is not too much to worry about at the moment."

I> just
You're fairly certain this area is lawless and unsafe.
You are also fairly sure that the people are convinced you are a necromancer.

Am I talking to the wrong person? As I expected, this leader it talking about DO, not SO.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/24/2016 09:42 AM CDT
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Why not just say "Ask the P2 Guild Leader about perverse"

What you're doing is a lot more complicated and ends up giving more hints about the identity.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 08/24/2016 01:35 PM CDT
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/02/2016 10:52 AM CDT
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>Does having an existing warrant for forbidden practices provide some kind of tick to our social outrage meter, or is it just the act of getting that charge that causes the increase?

I came across the same question today. If I got an active warrant, will SO stick until I clear the warrant, or will staying out of town simply be enough?

Elanthipedia still says SO is global, so it would be important to know if Necros can play like thieves and just goto the next province once their SO is cleared, or they need to turn themselves in if they ever want to use town services in a different province.

If it matters, it was forbidden practices in this case. I'd like to know if SO continues to tick for different warrants.


-Story / Experience sharing-

I'm a bit new at SO management because after the first time hitting the SO spiral as a baby necro I learned very hardly to never make the mistake again!

... except RESEARCH SORCERY is so fun and while I always stay out of town to complete the project, it blew my limbs off today.

As brought up in the other thread, I can't even heal myself using pre-harvested materials because I have no hands

Side Note: Will it be considered that DEVOUR just search your inventory for materials, if spell-based or hands-free ritual alternatives wont happen? People who are desperate aren't above wiggling on the ground and digging their head into their backpacks or what not. (I know because I've threw my back once with no one else in the house and had to crawl to a phone) I'm still crossing fingers that spells like Vivisection can have a metaspell to make it a spell-based hands-free ritual knife.

I was hoping the autopuff can take care of me, but the vitality loss from 4 very bad bleeders was too much (still a pet peeve that it should count 2 bleeders from the shoulder sockets). I contemplated my options and decided to try SRE in the autopuff room and find out - which also taught me you can get insta-arrested in the neighboring town in a guard-less room when EotB is off.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/02/2016 08:31 PM CDT
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<<I contemplated my options and decided to try SRE in the autopuff room and find out - which also taught me you can get insta-arrested in the neighboring town in a guard-less room when EotB is off.

It might still be fresh enough that you're not able to laugh at it yet... but that's freaking hilarious.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/02/2016 10:11 PM CDT
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>>> As brought up in the other thread, I can't even heal myself using pre-harvested materials because I have no hands

Get some jadice ungent and blocil poultice ... profit ....
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/02/2016 10:23 PM CDT
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>It might still be fresh enough that you're not able to laugh at it yet... but that's freaking hilarious.


To be clear, it wasn't insta-arrest on the SRE. I left the room and snapped an EoTB just fine.

I just made the poor assumption (rather, i didn't even put thought to it) and played out a warrant like a thief - just wait for a while for the screaming town folk to cool off and go about business in town as long as there's no guard in the room.

Now i know forbidden practices earn ya instant arrests without a guard in room, which took place the instant i stepped in town after hunting.



I'm not sure how the fines are calculated, the part I can't laugh about yet is what 8 plats out of my 15 plats in the bank. I might be bummed if arrested a second time.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/03/2016 07:15 AM CDT
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>As brought up in the other thread, I can't even heal myself using pre-harvested materials because I have no hands

I swear a solution was implemented for this, but I can't remember what it was? If you have no hands, does DEVO work with on a non CONSUME'd corpse?
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/03/2016 07:56 AM CDT
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Are you maybe thinking about the fix where people were dying because they couldn't move or get the items at their feet if their arms blew up, so they made it so you can now STOW (not GET) items that are at your feet even without hands and arms?



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/03/2016 08:17 AM CDT
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No I am specifically thinking od the issue od not having any hands and still being unhealable by an empath.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/03/2016 10:32 PM CDT
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Then I only remember that ever being talked about, not implemented. IIRC, at last pass, Armifer said he had an idea about something to do for it.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/06/2016 07:20 PM CDT
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>No I am specifically thinking od the issue od not having any hands and still being unhealable by an empath.

I think that the original version of Chirurgia was going to turn our hands into blades and that they would count as a ritual knife and would solve this problem but it ended up turning into the meta spell that buffs SE. If I recall that was the last thing I heard about this specific issue.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/06/2016 07:34 PM CDT
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I'm kinda okay with handwaving mechanical woo so rituals can be done without hands.

IMO realism should take a back seat to balanced mechanics, and I don't know if "you have no hands so you can't heal yourself nor are you able to have anyone else heal you maybe if you have herbs you'll be okay in time" is a fair path to take.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/07/2016 12:31 AM CDT
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Haha... haven't been on here in a couple weeks, but how is "Why not just say "Ask the P2 Guild Leader about perverse"" that ok and mine wasn't? Because I listed 4 letters from the guild leader's name?
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/07/2016 01:21 AM CDT
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>>Because I listed 4 letters from the guild leader's name?

Yep



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/07/2016 04:24 AM CDT
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>>Haha... haven't been on here in a couple weeks, but how is "Why not just say "Ask the P2 Guild Leader about perverse"" that ok and mine wasn't? Because I listed 4 letters from the guild leader's name?

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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/07/2016 06:56 AM CDT
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>you maybe if you have herbs you'll be okay in time

In what context would this be a thing? If you can't use a knife, you can't use remedies... Can you have someone else administer it for you? Even if yes, that seems... unlikely to occur.

This hand issue hasn't happened to me, but it certainly suck to be in a position where death and SRE is your best choice. Just like with some disease.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/07/2016 07:54 AM CDT
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>>If you can't use a knife, you can't use remedies...

Pretty sure you can use herbs while they're still in a container.

Still don't believe that's a viable solution, though.

>>This hand issue hasn't happened to me, but it certainly suck to be in a position where death and SRE is your best choice. Just like with some disease.

The difference in these situations is that, dispite diseases needing some balancing/tweaking, you can tough them out. You can't do that with a missing hand.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/07/2016 11:51 AM CDT
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>Pretty sure you can use herbs while they're still in a container.

I've never tested this with destroyed hands, though. There might be some sneaky logic in the verb that checks for hands. I'll go remove my hands for science if somebody hasn't already.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/07/2016 11:52 AM CDT
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And ultimately, the best course of action shouldn't be 'die and SRE'.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/07/2016 02:05 PM CDT
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Not sure if it's even possible (core mechanics?) but it would be great if the planned spell Hands of Bone had an additional effect of allowing you to handle/manipulate objects while suffering maximum hand wounds to allow for self healing remedy/herb use and ritual completion with an extra RT for action.



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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/08/2016 02:46 PM CDT
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>Not sure if it's even possible (core mechanics?) but it would be great if the planned spell Hands of Bone had an additional effect of allowing you to handle/manipulate objects while suffering maximum hand wounds to allow for self healing remedy/herb use and ritual completion with an extra RT for action.

I like this vein of thought.

What if we can have additional uses of fetish and harvested materials and turn them into temporary grafted hands that are functional? Make it a short and tough timer like old SEER and not really do much if you already have both hands.

I think magically grafted/animated hands is very thematically necro and would be a good "realistic" solution.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/08/2016 02:50 PM CDT
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Sorry for the double post/afterthought

I suppose we wouldn't have single niche function spells. How about a cyclic spell for the grafted hand that's functional like a real hand and can hold one item for you? Cambrinth orb.. a skinning hand while holding a large shield, etc.....

it can be a visible transcendental or animation spell that can't be hidden since its not just cosmetic, but distillable by RoC.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/08/2016 04:34 PM CDT
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>>>I've never tested this with destroyed hands, though. There might be some sneaky logic in the verb that checks for hands. I'll go remove my hands for science if somebody hasn't already.

I use finished remedies from my herb-stacker apron to heal incinerated limbs all the time. If you want a chance at not dying you should make sure they are master-crafted tier 2 remedies made with a pewter catalyst. You might also try using siphon vitality to give you a better chance.
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Re: Question about Social Outrage on 09/08/2016 04:51 PM CDT
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Death isn't the issue, the issue is that dying is preferable to being unable to heal yourself, or in the case of Disease, waiting an hour of more for it to go away whilst you do nothing but repeatedly devour in combat. Necromancers don't have sufficient tools for dealing with a few (admittedly rare/niche) situations, and it's been a problem for a while now.
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