Don't know if I should bug this in game or if it even is a bug (I hope it is). I looked around and couldn't find any topics addressing the subject but if there were and I missed them, apologies.

For some reason having this spell up makes it impossible for me to use my crossbow.
I cut out some of the log so that this post isn't ridiculously long, but I can post it in full if need be. Basically though, with HoW up I can't hit anything, when I release it, I have no problems whatsoever.
I haven't tried with my other ranged weapons yet but here's the result of my attempting with a crossbow:

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You reach into your quiver to load the ironwood crossbow with a blunt tip bolt.
Roundtime 10 sec.
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> aim
You begin to target an yvhh la'tami.

> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
> fire

< Ineptly, you fire a blunt tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami dodges.
The blunt tip bolt lands nearby!
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]

R> ret
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You retreat back to pole range.
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You feel fully rested.
You feel fully attuned to the mana streams again.

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> load

You reach into your quiver to load the ironwood crossbow with a blunt tip bolt.
Roundtime 10 sec.
R>
R>
R>
An yvhh la'tami whips its tail in an angry threat!
R>
R> aim
You begin to target an yvhh la'tami.
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> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
R>
R>
The yvhh la'tami begins to advance on you!
The yvhh la'tami advances from nearby and is closing steadily.
R>

> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're adeptly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
R>
The yvhh la'tami closes to melee range on you!
R>
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> fire

< Ineptly, you fire a blunt tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami evades.
The blunt tip bolt lands nearby!
[You're nimbly balanced and in superior position.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]

R> ret
You retreat back to pole range.
>
You feel fully rested.

> load

You reach into your quiver to load the ironwood crossbow with a blunt tip bolt.
Roundtime 10 sec.
R>
R>
R>
The yvhh la'tami begins to advance on you!
The yvhh la'tami advances from nearby and is closing steadily.
R>
You feel fully attuned to the mana streams again.

R>
The yvhh la'tami closes to melee range on you!
R>
R>
R> aim
You begin to target an yvhh la'tami.
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> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're adeptly balanced and in dominating position.]
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
R>
R>
* Ineptly, an yvhh la'tami swells its neck ruff, extends its wings and charges headlong at you. You block solidly with a silvery ironwood buckler.
[You're adeptly balanced and in dominating position.]
R>
> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're adeptly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
R>
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> fire

< With pathetic timing, you fire a blunt tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami dodges.
The blunt tip bolt lands nearby!
[You're adeptly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]

R>
> load

You reach into your quiver to load the ironwood crossbow with a blunt tip bolt.
Roundtime 10 sec.
R>
R>
R>
R>
R>
The yvhh la'tami closes to melee range on you!
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An yvhh la'tami pokes its head in a crevice and turns, teeth bared.
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> aim
You begin to target an yvhh la'tami.
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You feel fully attuned to the mana streams again.

bob
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You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
R>
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* Tentatively, an yvhh la'tami swells its neck ruff, extends its wings and charges headlong at you. You block solidly with a silvery ironwood buckler.
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
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*You think you have your best shot possible now.*
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* As if fumbling muscle flab were natural, an yvhh la'tami swells its neck ruff, extends its wings and charges headlong at you. You block solidly with a silvery ironwood buckler.
[You're nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
> fire

*< As if effort and skill were a bad thing, you fire a blunt tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami dodges. *
The blunt tip bolt lands nearby!
[You're nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]

You feel fully rested.

> heal

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* As if fumbling muscle flab were natural, an yvhh la'tami rears backwards and claws frantically at you. You evade.
[You're nimbly balanced and in excellent position.]
>
Your body feels at full strength.
Your spirit feels full of life.
You have no significant injuries.


> appr blunt bolt

You are certain that it could do:
poor puncture damage
poor slice damage
somewhat heavy impact damage
no fire damage
no cold damage
no electric damage

The blunt tip bolt is poorly designed for improving the force of your attacks.

You are certain that the blunt tip bolt is appreciably susceptible to damage, and is in pristine condition.

The blunt tip bolt is made with metal.
You wonder if the blunt tip bolt might weigh a few stones.
You are certain that the blunt tip bolt is worth exactly 902 Dokoras.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
R>
R>
R>
> ex cross

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Crossbow: 110 97.18% clear (0/34)

Time Development Points: 535 Favors: 11 Deaths: 23 Departs: 18
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information

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> load

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You reach into your quiver to load the ironwood crossbow with a blunt tip bolt.
Roundtime 10 sec.
R>
R>
R>
R> aim
You begin to target an yvhh la'tami.
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The yvhh la'tami closes to melee range on you!
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* As if fumbling muscle flab were natural, an yvhh la'tami rears backwards and claws frantically at you. You block solidly with a silvery ironwood buckler.
[You're solidly balanced and in superior position.]
> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
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> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
R>
R>
R>
> fire

< Moving in like a timid schoolboy, you fire a blunt tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami dodges.
The blunt tip bolt lands nearby!
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]

R>

*Trying with different ammo*

> load

You reach into your quiver to load the ironwood crossbow with a slender tip bolt.
Roundtime 10 sec.
R>
R>
R>
R>
R>
R>
> aim
You begin to target an yvhh la'tami.
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* With pathetic timing, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You block solidly with a silvery ironwood buckler.
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
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* Looking as if this were a bad idea, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You evade.
[You're solidly balanced and in strong position.]
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*You think you have your best shot possible now.*
> fire

*< With pathetic timing, you fire a slender tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami dodges. *
The slender tip bolt lands nearby!
[You're solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]

R>
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You feel fully rested.
You feel fully attuned to the mana streams again.
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> load
* Awkwardly, an yvhh la'tami rears backwards and claws frantically at you. You dodge.
[You're solidly balanced and in very strong position.]
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* Ineptly, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You dodge.
[You're solidly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
>
You reach into your quiver to load the ironwood crossbow with a slender tip bolt.
Roundtime 10 sec.
R>
R>
R>
R>
R>
* Ineptly, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You evade.
[You're solidly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
R>
*Moving as one fluid extension of power, Aristotle fires a blunt tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami attempts to dodge, only slightly avoiding the blow. The bolt lands a strong hit to its abdomen!

The blunt tip bolt lodges itself shallowly into the yvhh la'tami!*
*Testing to make sure the blunt bolts aren't the cause*

R>
R>
R>
* Awkwardly, an yvhh la'tami rears backwards and claws frantically at you. You evade.
[You're solidly balanced and in strong position.]
R>
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* As if effort and skill were a bad thing, an yvhh la'tami swells its neck ruff, extends its wings and charges headlong at you. You dodge.
[You're solidly balanced and in strong position.]
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* With pathetic timing, an yvhh la'tami rears backwards and claws frantically at you. You dodge.
[You're solidly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
> stow left

> aim

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You begin to target an yvhh la'tami.
> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
R>
R>
R>
* Looking as if this were a bad idea, an yvhh la'tami swells its neck ruff, extends its wings and charges headlong at you. You block solidly with a silvery ironwood buckler.
[You're nimbly balanced and in better position.]
R>
* In a weak and directionless display of aggression, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You evade.
[You're nimbly balanced and in superior position.]
R>
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> bob

You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
R>
R>
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*You think you have your best shot possible now.*
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* As if fumbling muscle flab were natural, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You evade.
[You're nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
> fire

*< As if fumbling muscle flab were natural, you fire a slender tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami dodges. *
The slender tip bolt lands nearby!
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]

R>
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You feel fully rested.

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> heal

Your body feels at full strength.
Your spirit feels full of life.
You have no significant injuries.

> enc

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Encumbrance : None
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>> perc

You reach out with your senses and see pulsating streams of golden Holy mana radiating through the area.
Letting your senses extend further, you feel there is pale mana above you.
You sense the Holy Warrior spell upon you, which will last until you fail to provide 5 mana for it.
You sense the Courage spell upon you, which will last for about two roisaen.
You have not exhausted your ability to smite your foes at all.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
R>
R>
R>
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> *rel how*
The holy golden radiance of your soul subsides, retreating into your body.
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* With pathetic timing, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You evade.
[You're solidly balanced and in strong position.]
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> load

You reach into your quiver to load the ironwood crossbow with a slender tip bolt.
Roundtime 10 sec.
R>
R>
* With pathetic timing, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You block solidly with a silvery ironwood buckler.
[You're solidly balanced and in strong position.]
R>
R>
R>
R>
* As if effort and skill were a bad thing, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You evade.
[You're solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
R>
>
* Looking as if this were a bad idea, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You evade.
[You're solidly balanced and in strong position.]
> aim
You begin to target an yvhh la'tami.
> bob

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* Moving in like a timid schoolboy, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You block solidly with a silvery ironwood buckler.
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
>
You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
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* Ineptly, an yvhh la'tami springs upwards, its thin sharp teeth bared at you. You evade.
[You're nimbly balanced and overwhelming your opponent.]
>
You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
R>
> fire

*< Driving in like the irresistable force of a cyclone, you fire a slender tip bolt at an yvhh la'tami. An yvhh la'tami attempts to evade, mainly avoiding the blow. *
The bolt lands a hard hit to the la'tami's chest.

The slender tip bolt lodges itself shallowly into the yvhh la'tami!
[You're nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]



I tried to rule out everything I could, and I'm fairly certain it's the HoW spell. Maybe the spell was designed this way, if so and I missed that, sorry.

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Mmmmm...pie

>Did you only hit the la'tami once with your crossbow, as the log indicates? Your crossbow skill does look a bit low for la'tami as well, although your stats may compensate for that.

Before implementing using HoW I easily kill them with crossbow. I'm actually backtraining which is why even though the ranks may look low I have no problem killing them in three - four hits.

Stats:
Strength : 44 + Reflex : 50
Agility : 40 Charisma : 35
Discipline : 50 Wisdom : 52
Intelligence : 55 Stamina : 40 +

Concentration : 272 + Max : 272

Favors : 11
TDPs : 557


I might have only put one actual hit in the log (thought I included two with both broad tip bolt and slender tip bolt) but I've been in la'tami for a few days like I said and easily kill them with crossbow.

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Mmmmm...pie

>You did actually have two hits shown. In reading the log, I assumed you had two characters or someone else in there with you since the log shows the name, instead of 'you,' for one of the hits.

>Your missile mastery undoubtedly plays a part, too.

>It seems unlikely this is an intended feature of the spell, but it's definitely possible HoW is oddly buggy. I haven't noticed HoW affecting ranged at all (I typically use thrown, however) and >haven't heard about this from anyone else before.

You're right, it was another character just to make sure that the bolt wasn't the issue. I have pages of hitting them with the same crossbow and same bolts for the past two days before I decided to put up HoM thought and even now I hit them 100% of the time even tho my crossbow is only 110 and missile mastery is 122. I can post these logs but it's really redundant, I'm 99% certain something is up with the spell. I've tried other tactics as well and have eliminated it down to this only happening when I have the spell up.

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Mmmmm...pie

Nope

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Mmmmm...pie

With those stats, the latami should have been taking some severe punishment.

Very strange.

Player of...

Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

Didn't notice it apparently. Ring the bell harder next time you find something like that. Without being annoying, you should bump stuff like that on a regular basis as it impacts training and is obviously not intended.

Madigan

You sense the Clarity spell upon you, which will last for about seven thousand eight hundred thirty-six roisaen.
You sense the Anti-Stun spell upon you, which will last for about seven thousand eight hundred thirty-five roisaen.

IDK. I like it in PvP.

Madigan

You sense the Clarity spell upon you, which will last for about seven thousand eight hundred thirty-six roisaen.
You sense the Anti-Stun spell upon you, which will last for about seven thousand eight hundred thirty-five roisaen.

SR used to have the offense penalty, HoW used to be 60 stance points.

>>On top of the bugs with it, I find HOW totally worthless cept for training warding.
PvP against a non-caster its pretty nice, and I find it more useful hunting then TR anymore, if I'm attacking with a non-ranged TR's balance boost isn't too big but reactionary stuns when something connects is hilarious.

Samsaren

I'm 99% sure it doesn't impact throwns. My LT and HT is performing on par with my SE, SB and 2HE, all similar ranks, and thats without the benefit of melee mastery that my melee enjoys.

Samsaren

>On top of the bugs with it, I find HOW totally worthless cept for training warding.
Uh, and hunting undead effectively?

I haven't noticed a change in my Paladins crossbow use, at ~120 ranks he can hit middle deer just fine. Not sure if the values too small to use or the range of middle deer makes this a non-issue.

>> Uh, and hunting undead effectively?

True, but there are not alot of undead critters worth hunting.

I don't notice a huge difference in combat with TR or HOW up.

And as far as you not noticing it with your crossbow, IDK maybe deer suck.

>>But yeah, I find the retaliatory stun to be entirely useless; unless I've observed incorrectly, having one of the four critters mobbed on you stunned when it gets in a lucky shot is hardly all that useful.

I'm finding in the upper end things land constant low grade hits, making the kick back wonderful. Tanked balance critters hit me less, and dodge me less, win win.

Samsaren

Yes, and in my cast I have to cast upwards of 15+ mana to land stuns on most at level stuffs.

Samsaren

My experience is the same. Now, granted my character is at 100 each for Wis/Int. NOt sure you have to be maxed out to get great use out of HOW.

The major downside right now is you simply can not use Crossbow with the spell. Same with bow, but my ranks are so small with a bow I could just be wrong on that front.

Madigan

You sense the Clarity spell upon you, which will last for about seven thousand eight hundred thirty-six roisaen.
You sense the Anti-Stun spell upon you, which will last for about seven thousand eight hundred thirty-five roisaen.