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The ethic of the Dark Paladin can be described with deceptive simplicity, "Do what you must -- and then pay for it."
At the heart of being a Paladin is the sacred soul. Unlike the Clerics, who call down divine attention through their rites, the Paladin grounds divinity into the mortal world directly through their actions. While Paladins can (and almost always do) think of themselves as servants or vessels of particular Immortals, this distinction has no functional value: the Paladin as a magician and wielder of holy power is wholly defined by the spark of divinity that has set his soul on fire.
What this means to the Paladin varies wildly -- once their souls are lit, the Immortals only rarely step in to direct the efforts of the flame bearers. While there is a very well known and institutionalized approach to being a Paladin, any path that does not sully the divine soul can be said to be to be a right and proper path to being a Paladin.
The Dark Paladins enter the picture as alternative paths toward divine purity. Despite popular conception, a functional Dark Paladin is not someone who allows their soul to decay. A Paladin who allows the divine fire to gutter is not an anti-hero; he is even less than a human, having opened his soul up to a greater reality and found himself wanting. The taller the pillar, the longer the fall.
Successful paths of the Paladin inevitably revolve around ethical responsibility. While Dark Paladins are known for presenting a harsh edge to the world -- for doing what they perceive as necessary even if honor dictates otherwise -- they do it within a framework of sacrifice and ethical responsibility. Dark Paladins are not bullies and they are not irreverent madmen, they are crusaders who know exactly where to draw the line between divine wrath and human failing. When done with honest intention and impeccable wisdom, the universe has been known to judge even horrendous actions as worthy -- and when he missteps, the Paladin still knows that the sacrifice of their soul is worth the cause.
The dividing line between a coward and a Dark Paladin often comes down to payment: if successful Paladins are defined by responsibility, then a successful Dark Paladin is defined by a willingness to accept the punishment for his actions. A murderer and a Paladin may both strike a man dead for his sins, regardless of what the law says, but what defines the Paladin's ethic is he will then stand and accept responsibility for his action. Sometimes it is as simple and painless as a murder fine, but often enough the contrived web of ethics and perceived necessity drive the Dark Paladin to bitter ends, exile, and acts of unmourned sacrifice that would cause their more romantic, honor-focused brothers to weep.
After all, the Paladin on the razor-edged path knows better than anyone that his life has only finite value.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
>The dividing line between a coward and a Dark Paladin often comes down to payment: if successful Paladins are defined by responsibility, then a successful Dark Paladin is defined by a willingness to accept the punishment for his actions.
Is this more like that uber agent in Serenity who said something akin to that he has no delusions whether or not he's going to hell, but he'll gladly accept the consequences and self-sacrifice for the greater good? Or is it more like Dark Knight where he's willing to suck up the social outrage for making unpopular choices but still goes into hiding instead of "yep i did it, arrest me."
Is this more like that uber agent in Serenity who said something akin to that he has no delusions whether or not he's going to hell, but he'll gladly accept the consequences and self-sacrifice for the greater good? Or is it more like Dark Knight where he's willing to suck up the social outrage for making unpopular choices but still goes into hiding instead of "yep i did it, arrest me."
I am very sorry to hear that "dark" paladins are going to be recognized officially. I realize its the popular thing and has been for awhile, but I have never cared for the idea (plenty of guilds you can join to RP your dark knight). I knew this was likely coming given some hints dropped so far and i know my comments are not going to change anything. But, I am very dissapointed.
>>Is this more like that uber agent in Serenity who said something akin to that he has no delusions whether or not he's going to hell, but he'll gladly accept the consequences and self-sacrifice for the greater good? Or is it more like Dark Knight where he's willing to suck up the social outrage for making unpopular choices but still goes into hiding instead of "yep i did it, arrest me."
The perfect example of a Dark Paladin would say "Yep, I did it. Arrest me." Anything else involves a hypocrisy, no matter how sympathetic.
Though you don't need to go to Batman for this; that particular sentiment comes from Martin Luther King, Jr. "One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty."
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
The perfect example of a Dark Paladin would say "Yep, I did it. Arrest me." Anything else involves a hypocrisy, no matter how sympathetic.
Though you don't need to go to Batman for this; that particular sentiment comes from Martin Luther King, Jr. "One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty."
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
>I am very sorry to hear that "dark" paladins are going to be recognized officially.
Well, paladins don't have to worship Chadatru. If you recognize that each paladin are expected to be servants, pargons, living examples of their dedicated god, then it only makes sense.
"Dark" does not necsesarily equate to evil.
The Dark aspects of the immortals are already established as "good" to the cosmos in some manner. How you interpret it is soemthing else.
For example, one interpretation could be that you need history of war and famine to teach people to value the little things in life and not take things for granted. Without contrasts nothing can be appreciated.
Another interpretation would be Dark Knight/Serenity, people recognizing that there will be certain things that simply needs to be done, but knows very clearly where to draw the line.
Both of these are vastly different from the typical D&D evil blood drinking Dark Paladins.
Well, paladins don't have to worship Chadatru. If you recognize that each paladin are expected to be servants, pargons, living examples of their dedicated god, then it only makes sense.
"Dark" does not necsesarily equate to evil.
The Dark aspects of the immortals are already established as "good" to the cosmos in some manner. How you interpret it is soemthing else.
For example, one interpretation could be that you need history of war and famine to teach people to value the little things in life and not take things for granted. Without contrasts nothing can be appreciated.
Another interpretation would be Dark Knight/Serenity, people recognizing that there will be certain things that simply needs to be done, but knows very clearly where to draw the line.
Both of these are vastly different from the typical D&D evil blood drinking Dark Paladins.
<< "Dark" does not necsesarily equate to evil. >>
You do not have to make your arguments about this and that version of "dark" paladin. I have played in this guild for over 10 years and seen every justification and characterization of it over the years, both on the boards and acted out in game. I have never supported or liked any of the ideas, I am allowed that opinion and have already stated I know my comments are not going to change or influence anything and just want to express my big dissapointment in the GMs choice to allow this path in the guild officially.
You do not have to make your arguments about this and that version of "dark" paladin. I have played in this guild for over 10 years and seen every justification and characterization of it over the years, both on the boards and acted out in game. I have never supported or liked any of the ideas, I am allowed that opinion and have already stated I know my comments are not going to change or influence anything and just want to express my big dissapointment in the GMs choice to allow this path in the guild officially.
>The perfect example of a Dark Paladin would say "Yep, I did it. Arrest me." Anything else involves a hypocrisy, no matter how sympathetic.
>"One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty."
Thanks for this.
So its like the old cop who accepts the discharge due to "politics" gracefully but proud knowing he stood up doing what's right.
>"One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty."
Thanks for this.
So its like the old cop who accepts the discharge due to "politics" gracefully but proud knowing he stood up doing what's right.
<< You do not have to make your arguments about this and that version of "dark" paladin. I have played in this guild for over 10 years and seen every justification and characterization of it over the years, both on the boards and acted out in game. I have never supported or liked any of the ideas, I am allowed that opinion and have already stated I know my comments are not going to change or influence anything and just want to express my big dissapointment in the GMs choice to allow this path in the guild officially. >>
Every time you post about this, you manage to come dangerously close to being elitist and condescending.
I wish I understood why you are so vehemently opposed to opening up avenues of RP and diversifying characters, something that in my mind only adds to atmosphere and verisimilitude.
I don't see why Paladins need to be so one dimensional in your book, and frankly, (and granted, this is just my opinion) I find binary morality boring and unrealistic.
Lancelot was effectively a Dark Paladin.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
Every time you post about this, you manage to come dangerously close to being elitist and condescending.
I wish I understood why you are so vehemently opposed to opening up avenues of RP and diversifying characters, something that in my mind only adds to atmosphere and verisimilitude.
I don't see why Paladins need to be so one dimensional in your book, and frankly, (and granted, this is just my opinion) I find binary morality boring and unrealistic.
Lancelot was effectively a Dark Paladin.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
<< Every time you post about this, you manage to come dangerously close to being elitist and condescending.
I wish I understood why you are so vehemently opposed to opening up avenues of RP and diversifying characters, something that in my mind only adds to atmosphere and verisimilitude. >>
I have absolutely no intension of coming across as elitist and condescending, though I can sort of see where one might get that impression in my previous post if they read into it wrong, I dont see how "every time" comes across that way.
That said, I was simply saying, Yes I have heard it before, i dont care for it and really was not try to open up a debate on my personal stance, I simply wanted to express my displeasure in response to the GM. I have little interest in debating the topic and was only trying to make that clear, its been debated to death already and I have already clearly stated twice now that I know I will not and I am not trying to affect whats going to happen, how is that elitist? Give me a break, I am allowed to say I dont like something (in a very reasonable way at that) without being judged about it.
I wish I understood why you are so vehemently opposed to opening up avenues of RP and diversifying characters, something that in my mind only adds to atmosphere and verisimilitude. >>
I have absolutely no intension of coming across as elitist and condescending, though I can sort of see where one might get that impression in my previous post if they read into it wrong, I dont see how "every time" comes across that way.
That said, I was simply saying, Yes I have heard it before, i dont care for it and really was not try to open up a debate on my personal stance, I simply wanted to express my displeasure in response to the GM. I have little interest in debating the topic and was only trying to make that clear, its been debated to death already and I have already clearly stated twice now that I know I will not and I am not trying to affect whats going to happen, how is that elitist? Give me a break, I am allowed to say I dont like something (in a very reasonable way at that) without being judged about it.
>That said, I was simply saying, Yes I have heard it before, i dont care for it and really was not try to open up a debate on my personal stance,
This here is the problem. You are on a public forum. Do you not realize others around you are entitled to their opinion too? Everything goes both ways. "Retaliating" or simply "put down" anther's response to you, without answering it, regardless of what was said, is a condescending attitude no matter how you read it.
If you do not intend to open to debate, just don't respond and there's no debate.
This here is the problem. You are on a public forum. Do you not realize others around you are entitled to their opinion too? Everything goes both ways. "Retaliating" or simply "put down" anther's response to you, without answering it, regardless of what was said, is a condescending attitude no matter how you read it.
If you do not intend to open to debate, just don't respond and there's no debate.
Also, for those who have been playing/are playing Mass Effect 2 (Which you really should even if you aren't a big PC/console gaming or RPG fan, as it is a fantastically written world and story), consider the character of Samara and the asari justicars in general as what I see as a fairly analogous philosophy to what Armifer has posted.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
<< This here is the problem. You are on a public forum. Do you not realize others around you are entitled to their opinion too? Everything goes both ways. "Retaliating" or simply "put down" anther's response to you, without answering it, regardless of what was said, is a condescending attitude no matter how you read it. >>
My response was to the GM (quite obviously), I was simply doing you the favor of being able to save your breath (fingers) from rebeating the same horse that has been beaten to death, hence why I have not posted seriously on the topic of dark paladins in many may years and why I see no need to continue to explain my stance, its all been heard before. Dont like my dissapointment with it? Why do you even care? Give it up, its pointless.
My response was to the GM (quite obviously), I was simply doing you the favor of being able to save your breath (fingers) from rebeating the same horse that has been beaten to death, hence why I have not posted seriously on the topic of dark paladins in many may years and why I see no need to continue to explain my stance, its all been heard before. Dont like my dissapointment with it? Why do you even care? Give it up, its pointless.
>Dont like my dissapointment with it? Why do you even care? Give it up, its pointless.
"Don't like what the GM is doing? Why do you even care? Give it up, its pointless."
Maybe I'm expressing my opinion for the exact same reason you are expressing yours.
If you are genuine in not intending to offend people or present condescending attitudes, you certainly have some room for improvement.
"Don't like what the GM is doing? Why do you even care? Give it up, its pointless."
Maybe I'm expressing my opinion for the exact same reason you are expressing yours.
If you are genuine in not intending to offend people or present condescending attitudes, you certainly have some room for improvement.
<< My response was to the GM (quite obviously), I was simply doing you the favor of being able to save your breath (fingers) from rebeating the same horse that has been beaten to death, hence why I have not posted seriously on the topic of dark paladins in many may years and why I see no need to continue to explain my stance, its all been heard before. Dont like my dissapointment with it? Why do you even care? Give it up, its pointless. >>
We're all big boys and girls here and can decide what information we want to concern ourselves with and what equine corpses we wish to flagellate.
My question was simply seeking to hear your reasoning: I haven't had the opportunity (presumably because I haven't played a Paladin my entire DR tenure). Disagreeing opinions aren't the issue: I just wanted to see where you were coming from.
But we're in danger of sidetracking an excellent post by Armifer that is worthy of discussion, IMO, so...
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
We're all big boys and girls here and can decide what information we want to concern ourselves with and what equine corpses we wish to flagellate.
My question was simply seeking to hear your reasoning: I haven't had the opportunity (presumably because I haven't played a Paladin my entire DR tenure). Disagreeing opinions aren't the issue: I just wanted to see where you were coming from.
But we're in danger of sidetracking an excellent post by Armifer that is worthy of discussion, IMO, so...
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
Thanks for the update and hard work Armifer!
Very interesting turn for the path of the Paladin here. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
<<<The god of dishonesty and deceit, Botolf is the symbol of corruption and bribery. His blessings (or curses, depending on which end you're on) cause murderers to go free and thieves to get off with damages paid by the person who prosecuted them. Botolf loves to visit Dirge (his favorite city), and is the patron of Knife Clan and thieves' guilds. Botolf is also the god of fallen paladins, and is known to manifest in tarnished armor in need of a polish.>>>
In regards for the above from DR Gods page, is there a distinction between Dark and Fallen paladins? Not asking if your a building the development of either around the events that are unfolding but just whether there is a distinction or not.
Oh and to the rest of you, stop bickering. Seriously, we have some great GMs working very hard to do what appear to be great things for the Guild. Whether you agree or don't agree, go put it in the conflicts folder.
Very interesting turn for the path of the Paladin here. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
<<<The god of dishonesty and deceit, Botolf is the symbol of corruption and bribery. His blessings (or curses, depending on which end you're on) cause murderers to go free and thieves to get off with damages paid by the person who prosecuted them. Botolf loves to visit Dirge (his favorite city), and is the patron of Knife Clan and thieves' guilds. Botolf is also the god of fallen paladins, and is known to manifest in tarnished armor in need of a polish.>>>
In regards for the above from DR Gods page, is there a distinction between Dark and Fallen paladins? Not asking if your a building the development of either around the events that are unfolding but just whether there is a distinction or not.
Oh and to the rest of you, stop bickering. Seriously, we have some great GMs working very hard to do what appear to be great things for the Guild. Whether you agree or don't agree, go put it in the conflicts folder.
Very nice stuff Armifer. Glad to see the GMs are appealing to both sides of the spectrum and giving many players alternative RP choices.
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Death Dealer Adakin of Prime
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Jerid,
This presents a great opportunity for your character to exact judgement on those who chose to go down the Dark Route.
Great Roleplaying can come from this.
Crusader Taghz
DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.
This presents a great opportunity for your character to exact judgement on those who chose to go down the Dark Route.
Great Roleplaying can come from this.
Crusader Taghz
DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.
Interesting Armifer, thank you.
Honestly, this kind of Paladin can be and already is RP'd pretty frequently to some degree. I see it all the time with Paladins making choices that they deem 'right' knowing there will be consequences and accepting them (soul hits, etc).
Still, I'm looking forward to seeing what changes might be coming.
~Kattena
A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!
Honestly, this kind of Paladin can be and already is RP'd pretty frequently to some degree. I see it all the time with Paladins making choices that they deem 'right' knowing there will be consequences and accepting them (soul hits, etc).
Still, I'm looking forward to seeing what changes might be coming.
~Kattena
A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!
I really like where this is going. The idea of having the ability to make the choice between doing what is righteous and what is necessary is very appealing. Reminds me of a line from a movie: I am what I am because someone has to be. Also, the ME2 reference is not list on me.
Can't wait to see what comes next.
Can't wait to see what comes next.
A good, well thought out take on the 'Dark' side. I would submit that those of us that play 'romantic honor-focused' Paladins have slipped to this path from time to time. Doing what seemed right and necessary at the time, and paying the price for it. Sometimes a little honor gets set aside - sometimes the ends do justify the means even if there is a price to pay.
<< This presents a great opportunity for your character to exact judgement on those who chose to go down the Dark Route. >>
Heh, well I have considered the possabilities already, will have to see how it plays out ultimately, but I suspect the kind of judgement I would want to lay down would likely end up hypocritical and put me on the "dark side" as well. But who knows, we will see when it all comes to be. Even though I am dissapointed by the potential direction the GMs are taking the guild it wont stop me from making the most of it from an RP sense, my objection here are OOC, in game my IC objections will come naturally and with the flow of things (keep in mind jerid stood up and defended those who disobeyed the coucil at the meeting that was held).
Heh, well I have considered the possabilities already, will have to see how it plays out ultimately, but I suspect the kind of judgement I would want to lay down would likely end up hypocritical and put me on the "dark side" as well. But who knows, we will see when it all comes to be. Even though I am dissapointed by the potential direction the GMs are taking the guild it wont stop me from making the most of it from an RP sense, my objection here are OOC, in game my IC objections will come naturally and with the flow of things (keep in mind jerid stood up and defended those who disobeyed the coucil at the meeting that was held).
>>i suggest a dark paladin/light paladin civil war to figure out who will ultimately rule the galaxy.<<
I suggest you change your name to Darth Glemm since you completely crossed over and did the unspeakable act of dragging a memeber out of the guildhall. Forshame. :(
Seriously though, I think this is great thing and I hear you Jerid on your disappointment. Don't necessarily agree, but it is what it is. I for one would love to have some "rp moments" with all the "proper code" paladins out there. I get the "you aren't a "real" paladin! " or "OMG, a paladin would never do that, nae! " speech all the time. Now, I'll actually have some more ammo to fall back on instead of going to the default " I felt this law was unjust, so I did xyz."
~Silus
Banner first, ask questions later.
I suggest you change your name to Darth Glemm since you completely crossed over and did the unspeakable act of dragging a memeber out of the guildhall. Forshame. :(
Seriously though, I think this is great thing and I hear you Jerid on your disappointment. Don't necessarily agree, but it is what it is. I for one would love to have some "rp moments" with all the "proper code" paladins out there. I get the "you aren't a "real" paladin! " or "OMG, a paladin would never do that, nae! " speech all the time. Now, I'll actually have some more ammo to fall back on instead of going to the default " I felt this law was unjust, so I did xyz."
~Silus
Banner first, ask questions later.
Yep.
The sheer fact we actually have this folder being used frequently is enough alone to praise the GM s for.
This rp looks to be the beginning of a truly great story one way or the other where each paladin has the proverbial gut check.
The beauty of it, as is all of DR is we can decide what route to take our character.
I have always truly appreciated each extreme from Taghz to Madigan for example over the years.
Aaiyaah had a nice rp once with Comfrin where Aaiyaah had learned long ago each person has thier own path and the furthest Aaiyaah would go in judging was to set the example in what *he believed was right.
So oocly I have to determine just what is Aaiyaah made of when it comes to all this. Aaiyaah at this time is not going to turn Oane or Beren in without knowing the truth knowing in essence it is disobeying the council.
But yet, oocly I never intended to play a dark paladin. However, actions are what count so this is a glimpse as to why this is a nice change from the train, bow, salute routine in Theren.
I hope it is this way for all paladins.
Thanks for reading,
By my hand,
Aaiyaah Kenman
The sheer fact we actually have this folder being used frequently is enough alone to praise the GM s for.
This rp looks to be the beginning of a truly great story one way or the other where each paladin has the proverbial gut check.
The beauty of it, as is all of DR is we can decide what route to take our character.
I have always truly appreciated each extreme from Taghz to Madigan for example over the years.
Aaiyaah had a nice rp once with Comfrin where Aaiyaah had learned long ago each person has thier own path and the furthest Aaiyaah would go in judging was to set the example in what *he believed was right.
So oocly I have to determine just what is Aaiyaah made of when it comes to all this. Aaiyaah at this time is not going to turn Oane or Beren in without knowing the truth knowing in essence it is disobeying the council.
But yet, oocly I never intended to play a dark paladin. However, actions are what count so this is a glimpse as to why this is a nice change from the train, bow, salute routine in Theren.
I hope it is this way for all paladins.
Thanks for reading,
By my hand,
Aaiyaah Kenman
>>I kind of have a feeling that being a "light" paladin is going to be the more difficult road to travel, making the dark paladin the go-to class.<<
Nah. The majority of the guild I would say fits this "mold" already. I just see a new group of paladins coming in to try and out and see if they can test the limits of being a "dark" paladin.
~Silus
Banner first, ask questions later.
Nah. The majority of the guild I would say fits this "mold" already. I just see a new group of paladins coming in to try and out and see if they can test the limits of being a "dark" paladin.
~Silus
Banner first, ask questions later.
<< I kind of have a feeling that being a "light" paladin is going to be the more difficult road to travel, making the dark paladin the go-to class.
I really hope that isn't the case, but I guess we will see.>>
I hope the same, but look at it this way: Being Captain America or Superman is a hard weight to bear. Maybe it should be this way, from one perspective.
<< my objection here are OOC >>
I am still interested in hearing them, Jerid, for understanding's sake.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
I really hope that isn't the case, but I guess we will see.>>
I hope the same, but look at it this way: Being Captain America or Superman is a hard weight to bear. Maybe it should be this way, from one perspective.
<< my objection here are OOC >>
I am still interested in hearing them, Jerid, for understanding's sake.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
Well I was expecting something different. I guess I don't know what. In some OOC discussions with close friends they all told me they though this is what was on the horizon.
Not sure how I feel about it. I've always (to the best of my ability, I'm sure I've slipped up) RP'd Alax as a follower of Chadatru, the guild and the code in that order.
My question, which I'm sure will be answered with the events being played out, is how will one guildleader advance both 'light' and 'dark' paladins? Is the guild as a whole going to embrace the idea? I don't know why, but I have a hard time imagining that. I guess that's what the current events are for, eh?
-Guardian Lord Alaxndr Durnovaria, Advocate of Therengia
"A knight is sworn to valor
His heart knows only virtue
His blade defends the helpless
His words speak only truth
His wrath undoes the wicked."
Not sure how I feel about it. I've always (to the best of my ability, I'm sure I've slipped up) RP'd Alax as a follower of Chadatru, the guild and the code in that order.
My question, which I'm sure will be answered with the events being played out, is how will one guildleader advance both 'light' and 'dark' paladins? Is the guild as a whole going to embrace the idea? I don't know why, but I have a hard time imagining that. I guess that's what the current events are for, eh?
-Guardian Lord Alaxndr Durnovaria, Advocate of Therengia
"A knight is sworn to valor
His heart knows only virtue
His blade defends the helpless
His words speak only truth
His wrath undoes the wicked."
>>I'm wondering how Phandaqwz feels about all this.<<
I'm assuming disappointed, cause it kinda spoiled his thesis of paladins and necromancy.
>>Not sure how I feel about it. I've always (to the best of my ability, I'm sure I've slipped up) RP'd Alax as a follower of Chadatru, the guild and the code in that order.<<
Not trying to put words in your mouth, but why does that have to change?
>>My question, which I'm sure will be answered with the events being played out, is how will one guildleader advance both 'light' and 'dark' paladins? Is the guild as a whole going to embrace the idea? I don't know why, but I have a hard time imagining that. I guess that's what the current events are for, eh?<<
I'm sure their will be some kinda split, as evident by the pulse of the room at last meeting the Madigan put together.
~Silus
Banner first, ask questions later.
I'm assuming disappointed, cause it kinda spoiled his thesis of paladins and necromancy.
>>Not sure how I feel about it. I've always (to the best of my ability, I'm sure I've slipped up) RP'd Alax as a follower of Chadatru, the guild and the code in that order.<<
Not trying to put words in your mouth, but why does that have to change?
>>My question, which I'm sure will be answered with the events being played out, is how will one guildleader advance both 'light' and 'dark' paladins? Is the guild as a whole going to embrace the idea? I don't know why, but I have a hard time imagining that. I guess that's what the current events are for, eh?<<
I'm sure their will be some kinda split, as evident by the pulse of the room at last meeting the Madigan put together.
~Silus
Banner first, ask questions later.
>>Not trying to put words in your mouth, but why does that have to change?
Yeah I know, I don't really plan on changing I suppose. I'm just anxious as to how this will turn out I guess.
-Guardian Lord Alaxndr Durnovaria, Advocate of Therengia
"A knight is sworn to valor
His heart knows only virtue
His blade defends the helpless
His words speak only truth
His wrath undoes the wicked."
Yeah I know, I don't really plan on changing I suppose. I'm just anxious as to how this will turn out I guess.
-Guardian Lord Alaxndr Durnovaria, Advocate of Therengia
"A knight is sworn to valor
His heart knows only virtue
His blade defends the helpless
His words speak only truth
His wrath undoes the wicked."
>>i suggest a dark paladin/light paladin civil war to figure out who will ultimately rule the galaxy.<<
There should not be a civil war over this... Dark does not always mean evil. Of course, I could be wrong.
>>each person has thier own path and the furthest Aaiyaah would go in judging was to set the example in what *he believed was right.
Same here.
This goes for others we work with on a regular basis. I can disagree with a dishonorable tactic or act, but, if undead are at the gate and rangers and thieves want to hide and backstab the evil critters, well.. who am I to judge?
>>However, actions are what count so this is a glimpse as to why this is a nice change from the train, bow, salute routine in Theren.
The bowing and such is just superficial politeness. Our ethics are not always tested (seldom in some cases), and it is hard to pin down some Paladins' stance on things unless there is some deep discussion or rp.
>>I for one would love to have some "rp moments" with all the "proper code" paladins out there.
Start them up, you know who we are.
>>how will one guildleader advance both 'light' and 'dark' paladins?
From the original post, my guess is that it is the soul that matters and that there is difference between a 'Dark' Paladin and a Fallen or Heretical one (one that has stealing ranks, maintains the blackest of souls etc.).
>>His wrath undoes the wicked.
Undo the wicked all day long, just know that there may be a price in it. Try not to sully the soul overmuch.
There should not be a civil war over this... Dark does not always mean evil. Of course, I could be wrong.
>>each person has thier own path and the furthest Aaiyaah would go in judging was to set the example in what *he believed was right.
Same here.
This goes for others we work with on a regular basis. I can disagree with a dishonorable tactic or act, but, if undead are at the gate and rangers and thieves want to hide and backstab the evil critters, well.. who am I to judge?
>>However, actions are what count so this is a glimpse as to why this is a nice change from the train, bow, salute routine in Theren.
The bowing and such is just superficial politeness. Our ethics are not always tested (seldom in some cases), and it is hard to pin down some Paladins' stance on things unless there is some deep discussion or rp.
>>I for one would love to have some "rp moments" with all the "proper code" paladins out there.
Start them up, you know who we are.
>>how will one guildleader advance both 'light' and 'dark' paladins?
From the original post, my guess is that it is the soul that matters and that there is difference between a 'Dark' Paladin and a Fallen or Heretical one (one that has stealing ranks, maintains the blackest of souls etc.).
>>His wrath undoes the wicked.
Undo the wicked all day long, just know that there may be a price in it. Try not to sully the soul overmuch.
