I've been reading into Prydaen lore and I see references to a few different kinds of hubs. Mentioned in the Triquetra Chronicles: In forests, there is supposed to be a tree-top hub, in the desert a type of tent hub, and in the mountains a natural cave system can be used as a hub.

In game I have only been to a small area in Sorrow's Reach where there is an altar in the form of a natural boulder and a wagon with some refreshments. I haven't seen any kind of homes available to purchase in any kind of Prydaen hub and in the lore it does mention that between hunts the Prydaen will return to the hub, where Prydaen empaths, bards, children, elderly and the infirm live.

Does a hub of this kind exist? If not, are there any plans to introduce a hub of this kind in the Sorrow's Reach area? I'm a bit disappointed that there is no Prydaen village to speak of, it seems like every other race has some area that is somewhat dedicated to them.

Also, does anyone know if there are any plans for Prydaen traditional clothing or items? At the fest I managed to buy almost one of every kind of item referencing the Triquetra, or Eu, Demrris or Tenemlor, but I was wondering if that's all that is available?

>>Does a hub of this kind exist? If not, are there any plans to introduce a hub of this kind in the Sorrow's Reach area? I'm a bit disappointed that there is no Prydaen village to speak of, it seems like every other race has some area that is somewhat dedicated to them.

Keep in mind also that the Prydaen are a displaced people. Most (all?) of the original hubs were overrun by Lyras and her minions. My understanding has always been their nomadic refugee status was was responsible for no hubs being reestablished before now, and that the planned hub would be an attempt to return to/salvage the old ways.

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~The Prydaen~

From what I remember, Darkensi does have a hub out there in Sorrow's Reach. It would be nice to get to it, I mean he did ally with nasty old Sorrow in order to get that land. I always loved this development, really brings attention to the lack of homes and what some people might do in order to have a home once more.

Also, Twansic and the Claw of Azca are still around. Though I honestly can't remember where he said their hub was, I think up in the Journalai somewhere.

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You're going to get a bad reputation if you go around pinching every spectral reaper you see.

Actually, Darkensi and Felinda did Walk because the barricade- which they were linked to- had become tainted and it had started to hurt them. The gods had decided to spare them further pain. I'm not sure what the tale is behind Darkali.

Ryeka and the Brood

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Yeah from what I remember, it was Darkensi feeling Balam walking that made him grab his kit and go "check it out" for himself.

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sighs Well as far as I know, I've only been to the small area in Sorrow's Reach, and would like to have a full-fledged hub as I feel like it would complement roleplaying. I know that there would be at least an empath that would sit at the hub and heal, and I'm sure would be willing to teach and hang out. Hubs used to be places where young and old would congregate, and bards, and it was very social, with the adult Prydaens coming in and out from time to time, as far as I understand it. Not having someplace of our own to congregate makes me a sad panda, considering the Rakash village.

Granted, it seems like the Rakash aren't really making much use of the village nowadays, as it seems to always be empty, but I for one would use a hub and have my home there if it were possible.

Sorry for belated thread participation.

I thought that there were plans (in the Simu soon sort of fashion) to open up Prydaen hubs eventually, or at least the area that's across the barrier.

Talliska still introduces herself as "Talliska of Wildclaw Hub" but it's her way of remembering her past. Her hub no longer exists in any physical sense. She only has one blood relative alive (her niece, adopted as daughter).

Would not mind reforming Wildclaw Hub in some fashion in her current home province, but there are a couple things I've run into as far as accomplishing that, when I had the opportunity to talk to a GM about it.

1 - Need for a Prydaen elder to be involved. What counts as 'elder' (High circle? Old enough to be around before Migration? Both?) Does it have to be an NPC/GMPC? (It seemed so when I was putting together a Hub event.)
2 - 'Ownership' of land in an established province. Wouldn't the nobility that owns the land eventually want permission for a Hub to congregate? As I understand it, a Hub is not just an organization of Prydaen, but also a location. The former but not the latter would be called a Pryde.

Unfortunately, never got that far with the event planning, because that was right before I had immigration troubles separate me from my hubby for a year and a half. Understandably, that distracted me quite a while!

Talliska Wildclaw
Free agent of Zoluren

The 'ghosts' would be as close as we can get to Elders now right? If we mean by Elders, the ones that died when the barrier fell.

When I was arranging that event, the GM I was working with (Gosh... I forgot her name. Will have to dig it up) mentioned that an Elder might have been in attendance, if said GM was around for the event. But again, that was back in 2010.

I am definitely interested in getting said ball rolling, it's just a matter of finding time to do it (time has been relatively limited lately to Talli's work for Zoluren). A local hub is one of the 'end game' sorta goals I've always envisioned for my Pryd--because, to be honest, even if the 'real' Hubs came out they would be entirely too far away from Zoluren for her to participate in anything there.

It's fun to have goals!! (More than finally hitting x circle or skill rank, that is.)

Talliska Wildclaw
Free agent of Zoluren

>>even if the 'real' Hubs came out

Yea, plus the Claw of Tenemlor folks said that the other said of the barrier is now just "badlands" and pretty much nothing lives over there, even plants. And Lyras's minions are still largely alive, wandering around mindlessly. I doubt anyone would really have a chance of setting up a hub in that kind of environment.

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Yeah! Audacia was it. Is she still around? I have no idea whom she had thought of as an 'Elder' in that context.

And I would definitely not pass up a quest/event/whatnot going across the barrier, though I bet anything there would probably melt my face and mush me into pulp. It'd still be fun though, and pretty interesting RP wise.

Talliska Wildclaw
Free agent of Zoluren

Audacia left staff quite awhile ago.

As for the hub itself, I know of some fairly extensive plans for a human city that would be outside a prydaen hub (It was mostly designed by the ALAE) but I'm unaware of any work being done on a hub itself. Which is not to say it hasn't been done... just that I don't know of it.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Semi-related: There is still a 100 pk reward for information that leads to Darkali, daughter of Darkensi, who headed to the barrier.

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>would love to form a Claw of Demrris
Just a note on this, iirc traditionally, anyone impersonating a Claw (which I gather is where this would fall as Claws are chosen by the Three afaik) would be declared Cemsiat and then cast out.
Though traditionally, only following one of the Three is something almost sacrilegious too, I think. However, most traditions have been lost/abandoned these days.

>>> And how is it that if you form a claw or organization you are cast out?

I think you missed his point. IIRC, The Claws are "organized" and "called" by the Triquetra. Followers don't choose to join a Claw. The Divine choose those who will form the Claws. This is why mortals get in trouble for trying to form their own Claws.

I don't think there's an injunction on social groups or organizations in general that would cause an issue. It's just the Lore based significance of a "Claw" in Prydaen culture.

You can favor a particular part of the Triquetra, it's just that traditionally Prydaen generally didn't do that from the information available. The aspects of the 13 are more depicted as individual entities than the faces of the Triquetra. I tend to think of it or explain it as one being wearing a different mask depending on what it is doing or who it is appearing to.

Being called to serve a Claw is sort of like being made a prophet, for lack of a better real world comparison. You don't choose to do it, you're told you're going to by a god. Being a false prophet is pretty frowned on by most Gods. You can be declared Cemisat for more than just killing one of your kin, Cemsiat was just the first one to do anything bad enough to get cast out, so the act of doing so is named after him. It's also noted it's not just being shunned by other Prydaen - Cemisat cannot return to the Wheel unless they find redemption.

>>Any not of the Claw of Eu who dare pretend to this honor, either in name or in vestments, are exiled from the Hubs of our people -- declared to be Cemsiat.

http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Triquetra_Chronicles,_Volume_1_%28book%29

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Most of your points were already addressed but I suppose I'll toss in a few collaborating thoughts as well.

>>Claws - Basically what GARBAGE23OMF said. The Claws were chosen by the Three, impersonating them as was brought out from the Triquetra Chronicles vol. 1 leads to being made Cemsiat.

> Exclusive devotion: More or less what was stated. It's probably natural (and even likely assumed as from the following excerpt from "The Prydaen in Their Own Words"-This probably has to do with Eu's inherent fluidity and the Prydaen worshipper in particular. Some envision death as female, some as male. It changes from clan to clan.) that each person would feel an affinity for a given "face" of the Three, however, from the creation of the Claw of Tenemlor and having gotten to speak with many of the Eidola thereof, the nature of their relationship with Tenemlor was/is much different than your standard Prydaen. (As noted in the TQ vol. 1 - All this Tenemlor gave to the group, but with only one request in return. Those of this newly formed Claw must worship Tenemlor and no other. Only with unquestionable faith in Tenemlor would such gifts be granted for the knowledge of the undead.)

> Pride (or pryde as some spell it)
As far as I know, this is any collective "group" of Prydaen.

>bunch of refugees scattered around Elanthia that will never be able to do anything to form a community on their own

For the longest time people have felt that same way about Rakash as well. I've never let that stop me.

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You're going to get a bad reputation if you go around pinching every spectral reaper you see.

Prydaen had hubs and believed in resurrection/reincarnation.

Cylons also believed in reincarnation, and would be reincarnated aboard resurrection ships.

Therefore, Prydaen are Cylons.

> Prydaen had hubs and believed in resurrection/reincarnation.

> Cylons also believed in reincarnation, and would be reincarnated aboard resurrection ships.

> Therefore, Prydaen are Cylons.

Hilarious.

Talliska Wildclaw
Free agent of Zoluren

Well, if there is interest I would be up for forming a pride first. Would be happy to help out other Prydaen with hunting and teaching classes. Perhaps other Prydaen would be interested in meeting up to teach classes and heal and rest up from combat. I like to help out all races, but would like to see some kind of community form for Prydaens, since right now we have none.

Feel free to look me up in game. Currently I'm around Crossing and Lang (bin) training combats and such.

Xionara, Prydaen Warrior Mage, Follower of Demrris