Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 08:46 AM CDT
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Since 3.0, Tenemlor (shariza symbols) haven't taken crafting skills. I'm pretty sure it takes Tactics. I'm not sure if any of the rest of 3.0 skills aren't taken by Demrris/Tenemlor, but I do know that Eu/faiyka take everything correctly.

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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 10:30 AM CDT
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Huh, I thought they were broken worse than that. For quite awhile now, it hasn't mattered which message I got or which sacrifice I offered, I get handed an Iladza symbol.



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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 11:37 AM CDT
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>>Huh, I thought they were broken worse than that. For quite awhile now, it hasn't mattered which message I got or which sacrifice I offered, I get handed an Iladza symbol.

Weird, I did it about 2 weeks ago and got one of each symbol. Could it be the skins you are using? I typical use ghoul skins for undead and gryphon pelts for living.



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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 12:42 PM CDT
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Possible, I've been using Rock Trolls for Demrris and Faenrae Reavers for Tenemlor. Odd that I would get handed an Iladza symbol when Tenemlor is showing and I put down a cursed skin, you'd think it would just reject it. I'll give it a try later with a ghoul skin and see if it produces the same result.



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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 06:44 PM CDT
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>>Cannot get shariza symbol
I came across a few bugs submitted for the favors, but when I checked into the code, it all looked correct. I suppose I will stress that not all "undead" skins are accounted for in the Prydaen favor code. If you come across some that do not work, please post and I'll look into getting it fixed.

>>Getting iladza symbol out of sequence
Can I get a log of this that includes the messaging, your offering, and the symbol generation?

>>EXP not being taken correctly.
I'll check into this. It's likely that they did not get updated to Skills 3.0

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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 07:54 PM CDT
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!> pray bould

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You lean forward and touch the stone reverently, with a prayer on your lips, asking Eu-Demrris-Tenemlor to take notice of you and your request for a favor.

It takes a moment to notice, but one of the twigs on a nearby bush has begun to rapidly die before your eyes. What was a perfectly healthy portion of the plant a minute ago is now completely dead and brown.

Ghoul Rib: You can't put that there!
Grendel Ear: You can't put that there!
Pale Grey Death Squirrel Tail: You can't put that there!
!> put pelt on boulder

You reverently place a faenrae reaver pelt on the boulder and watch as it changes before your eyes into an iladza symbol.


!> pray boulder
!>
You lean forward and touch the stone reverently, with a prayer on your lips, asking Eu-Demrris-Tenemlor to take notice of you and your request for a favor.

No reaction is immediately visible but before you give up, a nearby bush sprouts a new twig complete with leaves in a matter of seconds.

!> put pelt on boulder

You reverently place a faenrae reaver pelt on the boulder and watch as it changes before your eyes into an iladza symbol.


!> pray boulder
You lean forward and touch the stone reverently, with a prayer on your lips, asking Eu-Demrris-Tenemlor to take notice of you and your request for a favor.

It takes a moment to notice, but one of the twigs on a nearby bush has begun to rapidly die before your eyes. What was a perfectly healthy portion of the plant a minute ago is now completely dead and brown.
!> get skin

You get a ghoul skin from inside your satchel.
!> put skin on boulder

You reverently place a ghoul skin on the boulder and watch as it changes before your eyes into a shariza symbol.
!>


Evidently reavers straddle the fence.



Usually when I observe people PvPing it is a problem with their stat assignment being much less than their opponent, and more often than not their opponent has higher skills than they were expecting. - Kodius

Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time. - Sun Tzu
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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 09:12 PM CDT
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>>Ghoul Rib: You can't put that there!
>>Grendel Ear: You can't put that there!
>>Pale Grey Death Squirrel Tail: You can't put that there!

None of those have ever worked, thought it would be nice if they were added.

Are Faenrae creatures truly undead, or just cursed? They are creatures created by one of the Gods, so they may not count as undead.



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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 09:20 PM CDT
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Reavers are cursed (Evil? Such a subjective word), not undead. I did my part tonight, everyone else can pitch in and start bringing pelts/skins (why isn't the other stuff allowed?!) to be tested!



Usually when I observe people PvPing it is a problem with their stat assignment being much less than their opponent, and more often than not their opponent has higher skills than they were expecting. - Kodius

Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time. - Sun Tzu
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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/12/2014 09:28 PM CDT
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>>None of those have ever worked, thought it would be nice if they were added.

Pale grey death squirrel tails worked in July 2011.
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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/13/2014 07:09 AM CDT
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The tails should work. I'll do some work on it over the next few days. I'll also likely put a list out of what Tenemlor accepts.

Reavers are "corporeal undead" and cursed. Their pelts won't work for Tenemlor. I'll consider adding them.

Also working on a stop-gap for getting the attention of one god and being able to dump anything on it to get a different symbol. Last night I got Eu to respond, dumped a reaver pelt on it, and got an iladza symbol.

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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/13/2014 09:46 AM CDT
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Demrris really approves of killing reavers evidently!

Thanks for your time and effort, Naohhi.



Usually when I observe people PvPing it is a problem with their stat assignment being much less than their opponent, and more often than not their opponent has higher skills than they were expecting. - Kodius

Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time. - Sun Tzu
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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/13/2014 12:27 PM CDT
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If anyone has a list of skinned items that are from undead creatures that do NOT work, that would help with adding in new ones.

Provided you can give me the TAP for skinned item and the creature it came from, so I can make sure the creature is the right type.

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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/15/2014 08:22 PM CDT
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>Reavers are "corporeal undead" and cursed.

Unless it's a limit on how cursed and undead are done, Faenrae are supposed to be Fae created by Huldah. In theory, they should be living cursed.



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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/15/2014 08:33 PM CDT
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>Unless it's a limit on how cursed and undead are done, Faenrae are supposed to be Fae created by Huldah. In theory, they should be living cursed.

The distinctions are: corporeal vs. non. Non corporeal is ghosts, meys, spirits, etc. Typically immune to stun, if unbalanced or knocked down will almost instantly pulse to their feet and full balance, and requires bless to hit.

Corporeal is basically anything else. I know historically we've always drawn a line as there being some difference between cursed and undead, but I think mechanically it's the same thing. There may be some stat differences or something, but I think as far as the game is concerned, they're the same?



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Re: Prydaen favor bug/oversight on 10/17/2014 12:12 PM CDT
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>>I know historically we've always drawn a line as there being some difference between cursed and undead, but I think mechanically it's the same thing. There may be some stat differences or something, but I think as far as the game is concerned, they're the same?

This is correct. Cursed creatures and corporeal undead creatures are absolutely different things thematically, philosophically, and theologically. Mechanically, however, they wash out about the same.

Case in point: cloud eels. These minions of Drogor are absolutely not undead, but they were created by a dark aspect Immortal and happen to be especially harmed by a lot of the same things that especially harm undead. They would likely be considered 'cursed' (or at least 'a curse') as far as the average Elanthian would be concerned.

And now back to your regularly scheduled racial favor system discussion!

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