If you've got TDPs and want to help me test, wait till our man Ssra checks the numbers again tonight.

So far though the formula I posted earlier is dead on for predicting "coins to light burden" for a novice human, as long as I apply a static -70 racial modifier.

~Ranger Hanryu, Sword of House Calibanor
Keeper of the CEC
http://www.kynevon.info/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls

Ok, I looked at the code that calculates burden.

Everything appears to be set up properly

Each character may have hidden items that are generally used by systems or abilities. These items tend to be weightless but some are not. You can't remove them and they will count toward your burden. A typical beard for example weighs 5 stones. There will likely be a margin of error due to these hidden attachments to your character.

-Ssra

"There is always a bigger fish."

>>How am I supposed to compensate for that?

Best-fit curves, and a lot more data points.
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Moon Magic 101:
"A lethal spell is defined as a spell which, by itself, can cause the death of anyone other than the caster." --GM Armifer

>>A typical beard for example weighs 5 stones.

Wow, that's one huge beard.

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Is that a sword? Luxury!
Is that a horse? Sloth!
Is that a helmet? Vanity!

Here are my numbers:

>inv
You have nothing.
>enc
Encumbrance: None
>weal
You have:
2649 copper Kronars.
>withdraw 1 copper kro
The clerk counts out 1 copper Kronars and hands them over, making a notation in her ledger.
>en
Encumbrance: Light Burden
>weal
You have:
2650 copper Kronars.

Strength : 9, Stamina : 13, Discipline : 35

He also has a "a slender tail" which I'm guessing is slightly lighter than "a thick tail" but heavier than a beard.
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Moon Magic 101:
"A lethal spell is defined as a spell which, by itself, can cause the death of anyone other than the caster." --GM Armifer

5 stones for a beard? Holy cow. This gnome is shaving ASAP.

Too bad a razor probably weighs at least 5 stones too.

I'm getting really tired of my Olvi being light one moment and somewhat the next with no change in gear or state of health or fatigue. Is the sun and wind that heavy?

Nope. I walked from Shard to Crossing. I changed encumbrance for no reason at all several times during the trip. Maybe the gravity is stronger in some places?

<<5 stones for a beard? Holy cow. This gnome is shaving ASAP.>>

>>I'll explore setting those up so they don't count toward your burden.

That's great, Ssra.

I'm not sure of Elanthian weigths and measures but a stone traditionally was about 14 pounds. It's a little bit of a stretch to say that someone's beard weighed 70 pounds!!!

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I'm thinking that our stone is defined differently.


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Player of a few too many
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Pol-i-tics (pol-i-tiks) n. 1. "Poli" meaning many. 2. "Tics" meaning blood-sucking insects.

The Olvi in question is female.

In fact a few times I did things to lower the encumbrance and it went down. Then with nothing being added to her inventory it was back up.

Strength: 25
Stamina: 25
Discipline: 25
Race: Rakash

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Encumbrance: None

>wealth

You have:
5999 copper Kronars.

>with 1 copper

The clerk counts out 1 copper Kronars and hands them over, making a notation in her ledger.

>enc

Encumbrance: Light Burden
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Trained discipline once to 26, logged out and back in for the following results:

>weal

You have:

5999 copper Kronars.

>enc

Encumbrance: None

>weal
You have:

5999 copper Kronars.

>with 1 copp

The clerk counts out 1 copper Kronars and hands them over, making a notation in her ledger.

>enc

Encumbrance: Light Burden
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So, upped discipline from 25 to 26 and got the same result.

Sadeia.

>befriend clear all
You are now friendless.

Yeesh Hanryu, if stubble is 2 stones (10 coins), I wonder what my mustache/beard is adding on. Although, since this is probably the longest I've ever been able to grow it, Ill never shave it off.. even if you can't see it through my cloak.

You have a long narrow mustache that droops to either side of the mouth on your upper lip and a long thin beard.

Female characters (except Dwarven women) should not have a beard item at all, so it wouldn't be adding to your weight.

-GM Obseden
"To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven."
"Anything's possible. Especially since I'm rewriting the system."

>>what is making it randomly fluctuate?

Phantom foot hair.
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Moon Magic 101:
"A lethal spell is defined as a spell which, by itself, can cause the death of anyone other than the caster." --GM Armifer

>>Then what is making it randomly fluctuate?

What kind of features do you have (anything particularly large or small, a la tails)? Any shifts, tattoos or other addons? Those are probably itemized with a weight value, even if it's 0.0. Some spells/abilities add such things, do you use such a thing and do you see any difference between having it and not having it?

When you notice this, do you have a bleeder (ie, phantom bandages)?

Dunno if any/all this stuff matters, just throwing out ideas for things.

J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
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Umm. I haven't assisted or gotten an email or been advised by any gm regarding this issue.

It is enough of a fluctuation it's messing up my ability to train just this one character. The rest I've checked are not having this level of difficulty.

There is no reason for the encumbrance to change this much. I would like to keep this character. I've had her for a long time. But the amount of fluctuation she's getting at her circle level is enough to majorly impact my ability to train her.

Some help would be appreciated.

Are you saying I should assist in game with that character?

Once I got my encumbrance down I did not change a thing, including moving things from worn to backpack. I ran from Shard to Leth where the travel script I was on checked it. That travel script does not involve moving worn items to your backpack.

Currently she is in Haven where I went to see what this would do to her hunting and I found I had to drop her back to goblins. Ack. I am getting rid of the coin, boxes, and skins. Then I will sort through her gear again and see if I can find the item.

My current theory is it is an item from the sea caves that has issues with what it thinks it is from time to time or what it thinks it weights and what size it is. It has to be an item that is not common or the whole game would be screaming.

If I cannot find the item I will assist.

> Also, "phantom weight" and the conclusion thereof makes certain assumptions that may not be necessarily true.

Can you provide any information that might help us make more accurate assumptions? Is the formula wrong? What am I doing wrong that Hanryu has 54 stones of weight I can not account for when completely naked?

~Ranger Hanryu, Sword of House Calibanor
Keeper of the CEC
http://www.kynevon.info/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls

I went back and looked at the old racial chart for encumbrance, if we are balancing it out to all be like humans, then shouldn't I as a dwarf be able to carry more now? Should my burden have increased or should it have decreased? (To clarify I had a somewhat burden and was logged out when the change was made and logged in with a burden(high in the range though))



~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

Ok Hanryu.. had to wait until I was able to get 2 stamina to finish this, but here goes. Same Elothean, same stats, nothing changed in between (didnt shave beard, no new tattoo's, etc):

As of my last research; 35 Str, 31 Stam, 30 Disc, 7930 copper to hit Light Burden (30 to 31 gave 150 increase)

Trained 1 Stamina; 35 Str, 32 Stam, 30 Disc, 8030 copper to hit Light Burden (only 100 increase this time)

Trained 1 more Stamina; 35 Str, 33 Stam, 30 Disc, 8180 copper to hit Light Burden (150 increase this time)

Hope that helps you a bit more Hanryu

-Master Ndin