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I wanted to get feedback from you all on what you want to see out of Sraans. The obvious stuff (to me) would be shops, Sraan-only buildings, and post titles. I was also thinking about custom sarhhtha verbs, but of course I need to finish sarhhtha before that happens.
Anyhow, I know that two heads (or a dozen or more in this case) are better than one, so here's your chance to chime in. I'm all ears. (Well, really just little ear holes on the side of my head, but you get the idea.)
~ GMBasilisc ~
First things first, thank you, Basilisc, for even bringing this up/hinting at it. Sraans are something I've wanted to see since Shalnhh first posted the Sraan list to the AOL forums, back when the world was young. :)
Honestly, I'd jump for joy just to have 'Of the Sraan X' post titles (and would hope they could be slotted in first), but I think the model set by the Elothean Houses is a pretty good one to follow. You've got infrastructure in place to drop in Sraan Irhhnth and Sraan Mhhg right into Muspar'i, as well as Smolg in Qi. I think clothing and (given the nature of S'Kra) jewelry would be great shopwise: Even straightforward crested stuff. (I'd like to advocate for some consideration given to wearable-with-armor stuff: Iskhhr by nature is rarely out of armor, and rarely relaxes). I also know people are generally opposed to 'weapons' with funny names, but a couple of pretty latas et. al would be fun, though I imagine that gets away from the fluff aspect of things.
Also, high endorsement of Sraan-tailored sarhhtha. Or sarhhtha in general.
The above is basically all straight brainvomit, and probably nothing that hasnt' been said.
Semi unrelated question: When S'Kra of two Sraans intermarry, are the offspring considered of both Sraan, or either the mother/father's Sraan?
Many thanks in advance, Basilisc. Looking forward to see what gets drummed up.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
Honestly, I'd jump for joy just to have 'Of the Sraan X' post titles (and would hope they could be slotted in first), but I think the model set by the Elothean Houses is a pretty good one to follow. You've got infrastructure in place to drop in Sraan Irhhnth and Sraan Mhhg right into Muspar'i, as well as Smolg in Qi. I think clothing and (given the nature of S'Kra) jewelry would be great shopwise: Even straightforward crested stuff. (I'd like to advocate for some consideration given to wearable-with-armor stuff: Iskhhr by nature is rarely out of armor, and rarely relaxes). I also know people are generally opposed to 'weapons' with funny names, but a couple of pretty latas et. al would be fun, though I imagine that gets away from the fluff aspect of things.
Also, high endorsement of Sraan-tailored sarhhtha. Or sarhhtha in general.
The above is basically all straight brainvomit, and probably nothing that hasnt' been said.
Semi unrelated question: When S'Kra of two Sraans intermarry, are the offspring considered of both Sraan, or either the mother/father's Sraan?
Many thanks in advance, Basilisc. Looking forward to see what gets drummed up.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
>>When S'Kra of two Sraans intermarry, are the offspring considered of both Sraan, or either the mother/father's Sraan?
When S'Kra marry, one is absorbed into the other's Sraan. IIRC, the female is absorbed. In the past, there were statements that the couple joins the sraan with the higher status; however, the clans are not caste systems. :/
Some General Hoo-Haa and thoughts on Clans
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I play Inauri as not a member of, but as having grown up around Sraan T'Lar. The information I had to go on about the southern clan always lead me to believe they would be very ritualistic in natural. I'd expect them and their area to show how much they cling to the old beliefs more reverently than others. I'd suspect them to have a great deal to do with keeping culture(small library of stories?) and sarhhtha alive as well.
Among the other clans, with some I would expect certain types of building structures, such as Malk, known so well for their Trading and rich sraan'hhs's'kra, I'd expect to see lavishly decorated structures and areas.
For clans like Sraan Rasha, that I played Leyhan to be from, I would not expect much. They're a clan given to wandering and if they had an area at all, I'd honestly expect nothing more than a very flowery glade, a building with a stage for the many bards that are rumored to be a part of this sraan.
When it comes to very well known clans, or at least sraan names that are tossed around more than others, like Smolg, Mhhg, Indakar, Irhhnth, I'm not terribly sure what to expect. A lot of modern influence, I'm sure, considering these sraans abilities to keep up with the times and flourish so well.
There are obviously a number of clans I didn't mention here, Arna being one of the ones that's actually around. So little is really known about this clan, and that's really their thing. I'd expect that to translate.
Titles
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Post titles are an obvious desire, but it would also be really cool to have some Racial titles pop up in our lists when we officially "join" a sraan mechanic wise. I don't honestly care if they are in S'Kra Mur or not; although, honestly, I'd expect them to be. :p
Something else
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More areas are going to mean more places to potentially populate.
Should Sraan areas have housing?
Should Sraan areas be treated like mini cities or mini guilds?
Are they potential CvC/PvP hazards if they only allow their members inside a certain area?
Just how much history of each Sraan should we expect to be unveiled at each (potential) release of said areas?
Can you be a Citizen, a Locksmith, an Order Member, and a Sraan'hhs's'kra? I could maybe see this as a potential three slot post title conflict if someone really wanted to make it an issue.
I guess this is all I have for now. :)
-Inauri
The faenrae reaver throws its head back and screams viciously, "All your base are belong to US!"
When S'Kra marry, one is absorbed into the other's Sraan. IIRC, the female is absorbed. In the past, there were statements that the couple joins the sraan with the higher status; however, the clans are not caste systems. :/
Some General Hoo-Haa and thoughts on Clans
--
I play Inauri as not a member of, but as having grown up around Sraan T'Lar. The information I had to go on about the southern clan always lead me to believe they would be very ritualistic in natural. I'd expect them and their area to show how much they cling to the old beliefs more reverently than others. I'd suspect them to have a great deal to do with keeping culture(small library of stories?) and sarhhtha alive as well.
Among the other clans, with some I would expect certain types of building structures, such as Malk, known so well for their Trading and rich sraan'hhs's'kra, I'd expect to see lavishly decorated structures and areas.
For clans like Sraan Rasha, that I played Leyhan to be from, I would not expect much. They're a clan given to wandering and if they had an area at all, I'd honestly expect nothing more than a very flowery glade, a building with a stage for the many bards that are rumored to be a part of this sraan.
When it comes to very well known clans, or at least sraan names that are tossed around more than others, like Smolg, Mhhg, Indakar, Irhhnth, I'm not terribly sure what to expect. A lot of modern influence, I'm sure, considering these sraans abilities to keep up with the times and flourish so well.
There are obviously a number of clans I didn't mention here, Arna being one of the ones that's actually around. So little is really known about this clan, and that's really their thing. I'd expect that to translate.
Titles
--
Post titles are an obvious desire, but it would also be really cool to have some Racial titles pop up in our lists when we officially "join" a sraan mechanic wise. I don't honestly care if they are in S'Kra Mur or not; although, honestly, I'd expect them to be. :p
Something else
--
More areas are going to mean more places to potentially populate.
Should Sraan areas have housing?
Should Sraan areas be treated like mini cities or mini guilds?
Are they potential CvC/PvP hazards if they only allow their members inside a certain area?
Just how much history of each Sraan should we expect to be unveiled at each (potential) release of said areas?
Can you be a Citizen, a Locksmith, an Order Member, and a Sraan'hhs's'kra? I could maybe see this as a potential three slot post title conflict if someone really wanted to make it an issue.
I guess this is all I have for now. :)
-Inauri
The faenrae reaver throws its head back and screams viciously, "All your base are belong to US!"
One of the things i'd like to see <shameless stealing from plat here- where we had a sraan for a long while - some loved it, others hated us... but eh> we had a little "mini-quest" to join it. Now, there would be certain ones that might be "easier" to join than others. T'lar i can see being rather survival-heavy, indakar also. Mhhg would be more lore-focused, traderly. Anyway, not just like when they set up the elothean houses and just let anyone join. However, they'd let you join if you completed the quest.
Also, I would suggest having whatever facilites are set up for the various sraan as non-justice areas.
Titles - post titles here.
Lileyew smiles kindly, "I'm afraid it's too late for you, my friend. Your fate is to be a Necromancer." Lileyew pats you on the back.
Also, I would suggest having whatever facilites are set up for the various sraan as non-justice areas.
Titles - post titles here.
Lileyew smiles kindly, "I'm afraid it's too late for you, my friend. Your fate is to be a Necromancer." Lileyew pats you on the back.
I understand this is only tangentially related, but will there ever be plans to let people mechanically associate with the Ru'atin Peri'el?
>> Also, I would suggest having whatever facilites are set up for the various sraan as non-justice areas.
I'd rather not see even more Necromancer havens being added to the game, personally.
Rev. Reene
(12:39:01 PM) Kougen: Also, what the hell is with you and biting people?
>> Also, I would suggest having whatever facilites are set up for the various sraan as non-justice areas.
I'd rather not see even more Necromancer havens being added to the game, personally.
Rev. Reene
(12:39:01 PM) Kougen: Also, what the hell is with you and biting people?
<< >> Also, I would suggest having whatever facilites are set up for the various sraan as non-justice areas. >>
That makes no IG sense. Why would they be lawless? They're likely to be establishments maintained by an organization with at least some interest in order and propriety.
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I'd rather not see even more Necromancer havens being added to the game, personally. >>
Exactly. Hide elsewhere.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
That makes no IG sense. Why would they be lawless? They're likely to be establishments maintained by an organization with at least some interest in order and propriety.
<<
I'd rather not see even more Necromancer havens being added to the game, personally. >>
Exactly. Hide elsewhere.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Sraan
Sir Xalahai Zayasero, Player of
"This idea may have worked in another time and another place, but here it immediately fell on its face and went 'Durp durp.'" - Armifer
Sir Xalahai Zayasero, Player of
"This idea may have worked in another time and another place, but here it immediately fell on its face and went 'Durp durp.'" - Armifer
More latas and other S'kra weapons would be great so long as it was stuff like "A wide-bladed lata with a brass lizard twined around the hilt guard" or "a gossamer silk uaro's'sugi pinned to a slender gold coronet." Stuff like this would help these items become part of the average DR player's lexicon, like how we are all aware that a nimsha and a telo are both swords.
When I see an Er'shhhk s'sugi uaoro hhrv'liska I get a little bit sad and confused.
When I see an Er'shhhk s'sugi uaoro hhrv'liska I get a little bit sad and confused.
>>I wanted to get feedback from you all on what you want to see out of Sraans. The obvious stuff (to me) would be shops, Sraan-only buildings, and post titles.
I'd definitely like all those more obvious things. However, one thing I'd really like is just some work done on the current structure of Sraans and S'kra society in general. What the setup of a Sraan actually is, their views on current society, and how things are actually working out as far as Politics.
My character, and others, have been kind of coming up with things here and there based on what little there is about the current culture out there, but it'd be nice to have some more stuff to work with or add to.
I'd definitely like all those more obvious things. However, one thing I'd really like is just some work done on the current structure of Sraans and S'kra society in general. What the setup of a Sraan actually is, their views on current society, and how things are actually working out as far as Politics.
My character, and others, have been kind of coming up with things here and there based on what little there is about the current culture out there, but it'd be nice to have some more stuff to work with or add to.
<< My character, and others, have been kind of coming up with things here and there based on what little there is about the current culture out there, but it'd be nice to have some more stuff to work with or add to. >>
Seconded, as well.
Also, to follow up on Ventuul's thoughts: An explanation/look at how Sraan politics and Sraan life in general interplays with other established S'Kra societal elements/hierarchal, i.e the Musparan monarchy, the Rathan government and body politic, etc.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
Seconded, as well.
Also, to follow up on Ventuul's thoughts: An explanation/look at how Sraan politics and Sraan life in general interplays with other established S'Kra societal elements/hierarchal, i.e the Musparan monarchy, the Rathan government and body politic, etc.
-Iskhhr
"What is the worth of one man's honor?"
I have had little to o with the sraans, and don't play Tsarenzi as having belonged to one. Though if it ever becomes appropriate to her RP, I'd certainly be interested to be involved and am always excited to see any attention sent the S'Kra direction. I would second a definite interest in fleshing out the politics and culture and setup, over even the 'standard stuff'. Though, obviously those standard basic things all sound great. No other specifics to request at this point.
Tsarenzi
Tsarenzi
i see many of the sraans as something you would be "born" into, and although some may have more of one particular guild than another <i.e. mhhg would definately have many traders>, it would come as something beyond mere body politic.
In other words, just as a person can grow up in Sicily and become whatever profession, religion, whatever. If they are a policeman or a mobster, they're still going to be sicilian. All of my s'kra are RP'ed as being part of one or another Sraan. You'd have to ask them individually about them to know which one though, And they're not all in the same one, although those who are generally in the same family are. In prime my folks are a product of a mixture of Rathan and Muspar'i S'kra, so there is some diversity there, not to mention ties to some of the "families" of Ratha. In Plat, most <but not all> of my s'kra are from Muspar'i, although some have either "married into" or somehow become part of <through other means> other sraan.
And as long as there is a Dragon Temple standing within the city of Muspar'i, and dragonpriest blood in our lineage -- there will be necromancers - either hidden or sometimes not -- who have been, and are part of sraan.
the world is broken
In other words, just as a person can grow up in Sicily and become whatever profession, religion, whatever. If they are a policeman or a mobster, they're still going to be sicilian. All of my s'kra are RP'ed as being part of one or another Sraan. You'd have to ask them individually about them to know which one though, And they're not all in the same one, although those who are generally in the same family are. In prime my folks are a product of a mixture of Rathan and Muspar'i S'kra, so there is some diversity there, not to mention ties to some of the "families" of Ratha. In Plat, most <but not all> of my s'kra are from Muspar'i, although some have either "married into" or somehow become part of <through other means> other sraan.
And as long as there is a Dragon Temple standing within the city of Muspar'i, and dragonpriest blood in our lineage -- there will be necromancers - either hidden or sometimes not -- who have been, and are part of sraan.
the world is broken
>>And as long as there is a Dragon Temple standing within the city of Muspar'i, and dragonpriest blood in our lineage -- there will be necromancers - either hidden or sometimes not -- who have been, and are part of sraan.
You do understand that the Dragon Priest line from Dzree in south Kermoria and the Dragon Priest religion in Muspar'i are two different types of entities, yes?
You do understand that the Dragon Priest line from Dzree in south Kermoria and the Dragon Priest religion in Muspar'i are two different types of entities, yes?
Of course. But if you read your histories, D'zree was originally a student of sh'kial - and it was he who set up the religion as it exists at present in muspar'i - with herbs and flowers and other types of sacrifices, and other stuff not offensive to the outsiders, although she later murdered him.
But both types of the religion are opposed by the "official" stance of the clerics guild - at least those typified by Tallis et al, who led a whole crusade against the latter type. So it is one aspect where Mus'pari takes the more enlightened approach to allow any type of dragon worship in the first place, because its part of the s'kra heritage.
Although if you think the "other" type of sacrifices never took place in there, particularly when Dzree was in charge -- check out the room descriptions a bit more carefully.
At any rate, we're getting off topic. I think sraans should accept whichever s'kra can fulful the quests set up for that particular one.
p.s. Saarat Dzree tanu saar'hhsoloh. Have a nice day. :-)
the world is broken
But both types of the religion are opposed by the "official" stance of the clerics guild - at least those typified by Tallis et al, who led a whole crusade against the latter type. So it is one aspect where Mus'pari takes the more enlightened approach to allow any type of dragon worship in the first place, because its part of the s'kra heritage.
Although if you think the "other" type of sacrifices never took place in there, particularly when Dzree was in charge -- check out the room descriptions a bit more carefully.
At any rate, we're getting off topic. I think sraans should accept whichever s'kra can fulful the quests set up for that particular one.
p.s. Saarat Dzree tanu saar'hhsoloh. Have a nice day. :-)
the world is broken
My take:
I play my S'kra Plat-Side as a member of Indakar- albeit, a young minor one. I think that little mini-quests as a sort of rite of passage would be neat.
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
I play my S'kra Plat-Side as a member of Indakar- albeit, a young minor one. I think that little mini-quests as a sort of rite of passage would be neat.
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
>>Although if you think the "other" type of sacrifices never took place in there, particularly when Dzree was in charge -- check out the room descriptions a bit more carefully.
Yes, when Dzree was taking over I'm sure all sorts of horrible acts occurred. But now after the history of an Empire of Dragon Worship, one which not only crushed other races but fought their own as well, there isn't exactly an acceptance of those who work with that Empire. I imagine any southern DP would be skulking about, and not likely involved in any Sraan at all. The fanatical Necromantic DP aren't on good terms with the rest of the S'kra society.
Yes, when Dzree was taking over I'm sure all sorts of horrible acts occurred. But now after the history of an Empire of Dragon Worship, one which not only crushed other races but fought their own as well, there isn't exactly an acceptance of those who work with that Empire. I imagine any southern DP would be skulking about, and not likely involved in any Sraan at all. The fanatical Necromantic DP aren't on good terms with the rest of the S'kra society.
Yes, yes. I do like what I am hearing!
So first thing is first. I would love to hear of more of a who is who is the S'Kra Mur world right now. I loved reading the history, however the history is over five years old, and really delved into the past.
While I know the Sraan's are mainly involved here. What about the 'Merchant Empire' that took over Ratha after the Kings. Heck Ratha seems to only get into events by way of invasion (not that I am out there much but come on give them a reason to get into the rest of the world).
I am in favor of weapons designed like I Odin331, and Rev. Reene has put it for the Iltesh, you know what an iltesh is because it is a razor-sharp fencing [noun]. Give these items some descriptive clue-ins, (though stay away from razor sharp, weapons aren't razor sharp they'd lose that edge quickly, and no I wouldn't suggest a Katana is razor sharp, it is honed and sharpened masterfully not like a razor blade [end digression]).
Further, they seem to have been Sailors from what I read about the Fangs of Ushnish and as well being people within places like the desert, Muspar'i. I'd like to see some Spidersilk cloth style armor. Desert shroud armor. Some what rangerly desert armor, though of course S'Kra Mur. (Personally I like items that could be used by other races but have some obvious racial tones, for instance though it was odd I saw a S'Kra Mur use an Iltesh. To me it means the item was good, people like it. They WANTED it. All good.)
Alright, let us continue the discussion about bringing along the goods to the S'Kra Mur!
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Seriously, there's no reason to ever go that high aside from sheer laziness. Or a bug that lodges 23982 pieces of shrapnel in you, but...er...yeah.
- GM Dartenian
So first thing is first. I would love to hear of more of a who is who is the S'Kra Mur world right now. I loved reading the history, however the history is over five years old, and really delved into the past.
While I know the Sraan's are mainly involved here. What about the 'Merchant Empire' that took over Ratha after the Kings. Heck Ratha seems to only get into events by way of invasion (not that I am out there much but come on give them a reason to get into the rest of the world).
I am in favor of weapons designed like I Odin331, and Rev. Reene has put it for the Iltesh, you know what an iltesh is because it is a razor-sharp fencing [noun]. Give these items some descriptive clue-ins, (though stay away from razor sharp, weapons aren't razor sharp they'd lose that edge quickly, and no I wouldn't suggest a Katana is razor sharp, it is honed and sharpened masterfully not like a razor blade [end digression]).
Further, they seem to have been Sailors from what I read about the Fangs of Ushnish and as well being people within places like the desert, Muspar'i. I'd like to see some Spidersilk cloth style armor. Desert shroud armor. Some what rangerly desert armor, though of course S'Kra Mur. (Personally I like items that could be used by other races but have some obvious racial tones, for instance though it was odd I saw a S'Kra Mur use an Iltesh. To me it means the item was good, people like it. They WANTED it. All good.)
Alright, let us continue the discussion about bringing along the goods to the S'Kra Mur!
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Seriously, there's no reason to ever go that high aside from sheer laziness. Or a bug that lodges 23982 pieces of shrapnel in you, but...er...yeah.
- GM Dartenian
>>While I know the Sraan's are mainly involved here. What about the 'Merchant Empire' that took over Ratha after the Kings. Heck Ratha seems to only get into events by way of invasion (not that I am out there much but come on give them a reason to get into the rest of the world).
While there's still not a lot information about the Who's who of today's S'kra, you can get a glimpse at some of the famous S'kra Merchant Houses from Ratha on Elanthipedia.
While there's still not a lot information about the Who's who of today's S'kra, you can get a glimpse at some of the famous S'kra Merchant Houses from Ratha on Elanthipedia.
Back to the desert thing, I would like to see some desert-themed armor as well, but it would make just as much sense for Sand Elf armor or Elven armor as well, since the place is also highly populated (although not as much as) with Elves as it is with S'kra.
Elves are everywhere. Except Farfromhere
- Terra
Elves are everywhere. Except Farfromhere
- Terra
