Thought I'd move my comments over here (and see if anyone reads here).

<<<It's just that hardly anyone even bothers to use it or experiment these days to see exactly what our wonderful GM's have had the foresight to make us ;-)>>>--Motarra

Maybe that's because there's a growing expectation that it will be fully documented (in multimedia) on a website somewhere with instant links provided anytime anyone asks...not saying that that would ever happen within the Ranger guild. <g> (Website owners, please read on before you the 'reply' button, I'm not dissing your sites.)

As for me, I'm praying that someday perhaps as much as 60% of P5 will be unmappable, except in the vaguest terms. Not that I object to maps, noun lists, and the like, but more that I think DR loses the opportunity for role play when 'too much' detailed information exists outside the game itself.

For instance, for my first ten forged weapons, I had to locate a smith or trader myself (no trader tables back then). That involved a lot of footwork and discovery (and I learned much in the journey along the way, experienced a few frustrations, and made a few friends).

Now you can visit websites that have a full catalog of what's available at what prices. Some even take orders. Convenient? Sure is. But rather impersonal...and there's nowhere near the same sense of accomplishment once you have the prize in hand...even if all you have to do now is wait for the right trader table and make a successful run with coin.

End result: I have an IC tale for EACH ONE of my weapons; those that web surf...well, they have a good weapon. To each their own, I suppose.

I'm not against information on web sites, but I do think that the people who rely "too heavily" (whatever that means) on them deprive themselves of the challange of networking and exploring within the game.

Too busy IRL to do that? Sure, I understand the need for a "crib note" here and there. Besides, not every aspect of game exploration is 'fun' to every person...especially when frustration mounts to the 'I'm quitting this dingle-fratted game' level.

But too lazy/indifferent IRL to do that? Man, you're missing out on the challenge, frustration, and sense of achievement that comes with interacting with the game on your own...especially with puzzles, 'ability testing,' and easter eggs.

Getting the answer 'to everything' before you even start is like reading a murder mystery backward, why bother? It's now just become an exercize in key entry...where's the challenge in that?

Those website 'truths' were discovered off the hard efforts of others...when you use 'em, you ought to be wondering what you have given your guild in return (be it teaching a novice, testing on your own, whatever).

Shendorian
(The things I could tell you about staying safe while capturing horses or when the herds appear...but won't unless you find me in game and role play it out. ::shrug:: No doubt that will end up on a website someday, too.)

I agree with Shendorian, also, too many rangers nowadays have really little to no knowledge of where they are.

More than any other guild, we're tied to the land, yet so many just really have no clue as to where they are specifically. Personally I blame Travel Scripts, too convenient. Get to zoom all over the land without stopping and actually knowing where your going first hand.

For example, how many of us know where all those RTMs are actually placed? How many just KNOW and can walk to them blind, and walk from where they leave off blind. Not many I'd bet.

shrugs I definately think we need to start getting back to basics and KNOWING the land, otherwise, we'll prolly find in the future alot less effort going into designing said land.

And this isn't something a GM can code or design a system around, its up to each individual player to do so.

So I ask again, Who's willing to give up travel scripts with me?

Tusca

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Do you take me for a fool?
Do you think that I don't see?
That ditch out in the valley,
That they digging just for me.

<< The word "definitely" does not have a letter "a" in it.

What I lack in spelling, I make up for with exceptional powers of deductive reasoning.

Tusca - stealing again!

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Do you take me for a fool?
Do you think that I don't see?
That ditch out in the valley,
That they digging just for me.

I know where every single trail starts and ends and I don't use a travel script to get to any of them, reason being that I can move faster than a travel script with the keypad and I don't have any time to waste!


-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia

"Resist. Unlearn. Defy." - Incubus

>So I ask again, Who's willing to give up travel scripts with me?

Deleted mine the day the trails were released.

Jalika

Leave my travel scripts alone. I explore when I want to. I move fast when I want to. That doesn't make me any less of a Ranger, and if you think so, tough.


~Dulcinia

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"The space between the tears we cry is the laughter keeps us coming back for more."

Wasn't directing that toward you, Quelgash.

<stare>


~Dulcinia

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"The space between the tears we cry is the laughter keeps us coming back for more."

Gahhh..

You people don't know where to post. Where is Falk to direct traffic??

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Pep, Ranger in training.

>Thus, travel scripts make players lazy, not Rangers less Rangerly

Lazy, in some cases. But also saves the wrists some pain for some of us. For me, i used to use them cause I was lazy.

Now I have to move a whole room on my own from the gate before hopping a trail to get to haven's ferry. I work so hard. =)

Jalika

<<Aside from the stairs on Aesry

Also my only travel script.


Sylvado

"It's not the destinations in life that give us satisfaction, it is the journeys"

The stairs don't teach me hardly at all with 150 climb, but I can lock on a single run up and down the La'ta cliffs. Hit me up when you get to Aesry and I'll give you all my Aesry scripts. (Funny enough, the only travel scripts that I use are my Aesry ones!)


-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia

"Resist. Unlearn. Defy." - Incubus

#La'tami cliff climbing, start at the base

move cli ledge
move cli ledge
move cli rock
move n
move cli perch
move cli shelf
move cli crevice
move go tunnel
move cli ledge
move cli crevice
move cli hole
move cli top
move cli hole
move cli crevice
move cli down
move cli down
move go tunnel
move cli down
move cli shelf
move cli down
move s
move cli ledge
move cli ledge
move cli down

-Sarvatt's player

Sometimes (at least to me) it IS useful to know what is behind the way something is done. Why does the dragon poem let you be led by a ranger from snowies and gargs to that big keep where you can hunt the vykathi? I use that poem every now and then but have no idea why it came about.

Everyone should stop every now and then and not automate things. I will occasionally not use a travel script and see if I can still get from one place to another. However, I always make my own travel scripts so end up traveling from point A to point B a lot anyway. It is a good way to see what is around you and how things relate. There are a LOT of cool fauna and flora (most you can pick) on the route from Shard to Horse Clan. There are things you can see or hear if you stay in one spot for just one minute. Sometimes you have to stay longer..maybe three minutes. There are some pretty cool places where you can just enjoy sounds, sights, smells, etc.

I won't give up travel scripts but, like I said, I don't use 'em on occasion for different reasons. One reason is that I have, lately, been making my travel scripts so that you don't have to be in the exact room of a 'main location'. You can be close and it will do a look and move you from your location if its known in the script. I usually go about three rooms in every compass direction from a main location. Yeah, that sounds lazy but I enjoy making scripts

>travel scripts make players lazy

<laughs a hearty and long laugh>
You won't see the above too often from me.
Don't presume to know what ONE thing can mean about a person/character/whatever.

>Aside from the stairs on Aesry, what kind of ninny needs a travel script?
I guess I'm a ninny.
Yet, I haven't made a climbing travel script though it would be real handy(mainland and island la'tamis especially). I still prefer to look and/or go off of memory.

>I agree with Teeklin... the keypad is much faster.

Didn't this debate come up once before?
The keypad isn't faster. It will be either the same speed or slower than a script but not faster because there is always the possibility of human error.

sylviir

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Keypad is far faster, especially if it is not laggy, you have the premium extra type ahead line, and you know exactly which directions you need to press.


Xelten Tyrsin

Jent says, "You should train leather."

Nudging to Gen. Discussions


sylviir...click on the website below and vote to see some mudd.

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