carcals on 04/11/2005 03:21 AM CDT
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around what ranks and stats do you need for daceing with 1 and 2 carcals?
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Re: carcals on 04/11/2005 04:50 AM CDT
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I moved into caracals after tangoing with red leucs for a bit, my defenses were early 200s-220s, ~240ish evasion, sub-200 MO. Did pretty well in one of the slower genning trees.

I'm now dancing with 2 of them, occasionally 3, and not getting hit hardly at all with 350 evas, just under 300 parry, just over 300 leather, 240 MO. My script was up to just under 1000 kills between healings when I lagged hardcore for a few minutes and got pwnt. :(

Agil and reflex are both 40.

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Re: carcals on 04/11/2005 05:01 AM CDT
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It's been a good while since I did Caracals, but I remember them to be about geni level. Taking that to be true, I could dance with a single geni at 180 evasion and 30 reflex (+SOP) with no problem. I'm now dancing with 2 using block stop and never getting hit with 230 evasion and 40 reflex (+SOP+SOTT).

Thus far I've only died twice in genis in like 60 ranks of evasion and both times were due to connection issues.


-Teeklin
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Re: carcals on 04/11/2005 11:43 AM CDT
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I can do 2 caracals fine with 270's in evasion, 170's in multi, 250's in leather armor, and 230's in HE. They a smidge abouve geni's in my opinion. When a 3rd one comes in I have to kill one to live. But they do teach all of the above very well. I started doing 2 ok at about 10 lessons less in everything.

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Re: carcals on 04/11/2005 12:00 PM CDT
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I swear I am bugged. I used to dance with 2 until they would lock my evasion, multi, and armor. Evasion was 290s, multi high 160s and armor 250s. I now have about 30 more evasion, 15 more multi and 20 more armor, and I get more lucky hit stuns, and deaths from 2 now, then when I first started hunting them. Noticeably more. But the numbers everyone is throwing out are about right.

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Re: carcals on 04/12/2005 01:43 AM CDT
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i have 188 armor 172 parry 162 multi 218 evasion 30 agil and reflex so i could dance one fine from what you all say, and in about 50-20 ranks each skill i can dance two?...okay lets talk about weapons around what do you need to hit them suckahs
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Re: carcals on 04/12/2005 03:57 AM CDT
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I'd guess you'd be ok with a bit under 200ish. If your weapon ranks are on par with your parry/MO, you might want to think about bringing them up a bit, so you can kill the cats fast when/if you get in a bad multi situation. I'd pop into black leucs for a bit if I were you, honestly. If you are dead set on caracals, I think you could probably handle them decently if you buffed up and such.

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Re: carcals on 04/12/2005 10:40 AM CDT
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Again I use Genis as a comparison, but I tear through Genis with 145 ME and a storebought crossing scim.


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Re: carcals on 04/12/2005 11:16 AM CDT
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Yeah, if you can kill genis ok you should do fine in caracals. Err one thing though. I wouldnt go in the trees where the peccaries are at first. In those trees the caracals swarm a lot. If you have Ranik's maps go to the tree labeled Shillen's tree and maybe the silvery cypress a couple of rooms east. Those 2-3 trees in that area will let you learn skills without it being an instant death situation when 5-6 caracals are in the room.

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Re: carcals on 04/12/2005 12:32 PM CDT
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Caracals spawn three per person per tree. If no one else is in your tree then you will get no more than three. Just watch the other rooms for other people and you should be fine with swarms.

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Re: carcals on 04/12/2005 12:51 PM CDT
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not true the oak tree is still broken


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Re: carcals on 04/12/2005 01:32 PM CDT
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>>>Caracals spawn three per person per tree.

Not necessarily true. It depends on the tree. The young cypress will spawn 3 caras with 1-2 hunters, tops. Maybe 4 with 3 hunters, but I'm not certain.


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Re: carcals on 04/12/2005 07:08 PM CDT
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What Dulcinia said. Also, I'd say caracals are a tiny bit above genies. They also seem to get more of those lucky hits, ie, stumbling into better position, blah blah.

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Re: carcals on 04/15/2005 10:22 PM CDT
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So what's the skill level difference between Caracals and Leucros? Is it a significant amount as in 5-10 circles worth of skill higher? Just curious how much more dangerous they are...

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Re: carcals on 04/15/2005 10:50 PM CDT
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You can pretty much go straight to caracals from black leucs if you stick around in leucs long enough to get your other defenses besides evasion up towards the cap. Leucs soft-cap around 220, hard cap maybe 235-240ish. I'd say you can start caracals, with care, around 200s in defenses. They'll soft-cap around 340, hard cap around 370. The lucky rolls (stumbling into a better position, etc) are much more noticable in caracals.

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Re: carcals on 04/15/2005 11:01 PM CDT
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Well, I guess I've got a rank or two in defenses that I can build in black leucros before I go there, thanks.

And of course, caracals enjoy chewing on leather armor and eating the Ranger snack wrapped in the tasty leather shell afterwards right? ;-)

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Re: carcals on 04/15/2005 11:51 PM CDT
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>>Hawkman Well, I guess I've got a rank or two in defenses that I can build in black leucros before I go there, thanks.

Instead of taking things too slowly with Leucro's, go across the deadfall and challenge the Geni. Might as well since your basically there as it is.


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Re: carcals on 04/17/2005 02:07 PM CDT
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Yeah, I'd go into genis myself. They teach a lot faster than leucros once you get ~200 ranks in weapon and defenses. Once your evasion is 250's you can start dancing with two genies to learn multi (they teach multi well).

Bluefalcon
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Re: carcals on 04/17/2005 04:15 PM CDT
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what does it actually take for a barb to get into geni? I hate always having to track down a thief or ranger to tour guide me around. is it just real high perception?
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Re: carcals on 04/17/2005 04:25 PM CDT
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>>Once your evasion is 250's you can start dancing with two genies to learn multi (they teach multi well).

I've been dancing with 2 with SOP+SOTT since 210, and I agree...they do teach great.


-Teeklin
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Re: carcals on 04/17/2005 05:00 PM CDT
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>is it just real high perception?

In short, yes. My moonie is just now able to pretty much consistently find the trail with ~320 perception. I get it a good, say, 8/10 times. I've been able to find it with my Ranger since, oh, maybe half that. Heh.

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Re: carcals on 04/17/2005 05:42 PM CDT
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<<what does it actually take for a barb to get into geni? I hate always having to track down a thief or ranger to tour guide me around. is it just real high perception?>>

Dancing Eagle, you should be able to get it at around 275 perception. Might take you 10-15 searches.
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Re: carcals on 04/18/2005 09:15 AM CDT
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Another good hunting area thats good training for caracals, would be the rhoat moda area in haven if you are a premie. I used to alternate between genis and rhoat modas, because the modas are skinnable. They are only out part of the time though (if i remember correctly, during the day) and nightstalker unyns are out the opposite. If you do try them though, watch out for the poison attack.

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