In my experience you'll still hang onto your items for those first 5 departs. They will, however, still cost you a favor.

~Mage Algosh

Yes, I'm a 'Tog, and I'm a Moon Mage. Deal with it.

I have no clue why I'm doing this.. but I'm exceptionally bored.

I'm lead to imagine that the necromancer's guild will probably use magic. If I was a commoner who wanted to become a necromancer in the future I'd start working my magic skills too. Which is fairly easy... as an empath I learned my first 50 ranks of targetted faster by being taught by someone than that person learned it the hard way.

I know there's a billion little meta-gaming nuances.. just tossing that out there.

Plus for RP purposes.. it's always fun to teach TM to the 10th circle rangers who get cocky. I'm sure it'd be the same for you commoner folks.

~Cayene


*The only tolerable people in the world are those with imperfections. This fact is directly responsible for my sincere dislike of being alone*

They can only teach MD, just like the rest.


-The Nihilist

Just to be certain, do Commoners lose the free death departs once they're no longer Novices? I know certain other tags come off(stealable, etc.) once they're past a certain point. Is that one of them or can you still depart carefree of walking if you've not used up the granted 5 deaths?

ONCE YOU ADVANCE TO YOUR SECOND CIRCLE OR DIE FIVE TIMES, THIS BOON SHALL VANISH!!



So speaketh the dead strange guy commoners meet walking down the starry road, favorless or not.

>>I'm not certain, but I think others have said that so long as you are a commoner, you retain the five free deaths no matter how many ranks you get. I wouldn't want to test it with my own character, though...safer just to get the favors.

That is so. I have a number of commoner chars between Prime and Plat- and one of them at least had gained enough ranks to be a circle 4 or perhaps 5 barbarian before she had died enough that I deemed it wise to obtain favors for her.

Ryeka and the brood


Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

Allright, i'll try once more, as simple as I can be. If you are unguilded, you are a commoner, if you are a commoner, you are circle:0 forever.

If you die and depart, you do so in a shimmer of crystal tears, you meet a guy along the starry road who says all things worldly to you have been bestowed upon this, your new flesh. Then he turns on his caps lock key, and screams what I posted up a little bit.


Once you have departed five times, you will begin to depart like normal people, you'll see the starry roast, (heh, meant to say host, but typoed, I found it funny), walk down the road a bit, and then meet whomever says 'Yay, you have a favor, go back to live' and poof.



Also note: Since it is so flamingly easy to get 5 favors (Every commoner I played just parried 6 weapons to mind locked in rats, and was able to rub out 5 on the field exp), JUST DO IT !.


Also Also note: If you die with favors as a commoner, don't bother getting warded or anything, you'll still take everything with you when you go, you'll just lose a favor too.



~Trazier says, "Better safe than sorry, bub."

You never look at a commoner and see them as 'Novice So-and-so'


Novice indicates someone who has joined a guild, and is first circle. You lose 'novice' status when you reach circle 2 (Possibly when you reach enough skills to be circle 2). Since as a commoner, you never join a guild, you never become a novice, and most of this doesn't apply to you.


Think of it this way, when you're a commoner, you're just a kid. You're on the swings, and the guy on the starry road is pushing you along.
When you join a guild, he sets you up with a bike, but puts some training wheels on it so you don't fall and go boom.
When you reach circle 2, he rips the training wheels off, waves to you, and vanishes forever.

>Tell me about the starry roast again?

It's not a roast, it's pie with fish heads all sticking up and staring at the stars.

Bambina

>Dad?

I am a woman! Complete with all female parts, thank you very much.

Bambina

>>I am a woman! Complete with all female parts, thank you very much.

>>Bambina

Kung fu grip?


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(Cayene, and now another)

>>And to stay on topic, my commoner has yet to die for the first time, so thank you to everyone who stated that you get all 5 free deaths.

I can come kill you. ;) Mine hasn't died yet either though btw.

Brabs

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[Arcath] "Public Service Announcement: Please shoot at the archers and not at Arcath"

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Your mind hears Gelicast thinking, "shoot the gelv cyclops, not gelicast"

Actually Larzul, I don't think that's right. As far as I'm aware, you're no longer a novice when you have over 20 ranks in one skill.

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Bah, you also have a guild and are first circle. Maybe I was thinking of the 'no shop keepers selling to you' thing. But you should try the same experiment with a non-guilded person.

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>>Same deal goes with being a citizen. You can be a commoner as a citizen, but good luck doing anything that'll save up the 5 gold+ fees every month. 9.95 times out of 10 you see a commoner wearing a 'of such and such a place' title, they got rich 'family' in the realms.

I suspect that an experienced commoner could easily earn that 5 gold fee every month. On one full bundle of grass eel skins, I can usually get about 1.3 to 1.5 gold; and because grass eels swarm, it really doesn't take all that much time in-game to fill a bundle there.

And I know that there are some commoners who are starting to get to their stat limits on hunting, which apparently is on creatures higher than grass eels, until they get more non-combat TDPs to raise combat-related stats.

~Kyn (Kynevon)

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>>Yeah, it's rough as a commoner to be able to kill anything tougher than rock trolls without breaking down and joining a guild.

Yeah, but it should still be possible to handle swarmers like grass eels or even beisswurms to train all 22 weapon types, as an example; which gives more TDPs and a fairly good income.

~Kyn (Kynevon)

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>Actually, becoming a citizen doesn't cost the gold right away, they simply add it to your debt. And they keep adding it to your debt every month. So the coinage for it only comes out of your account in small amounts on occasion when th guard gets some from you at the bank.

Which gets in the way. You could be a commoner with the skills of a 80th circle barbarian, if you owe one copper to m'riss, you can't give anyone any money until you pay it off. As a commoner, it is (i feel anyway) important to be debt free.


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>>Which gets in the way. You could be a commoner with the skills of a 80th circle barbarian, if you owe one copper to m'riss, you can't give anyone any money until you pay it off. As a commoner, it is (i feel anyway) important to be debt free.

I dunno if it's her citizenship (Zoluren) or her circle (26), but Symphaena the empath can give away money with much more debt than my paladin (6th circle) can.

J'Lo, no that other one

>I dunno if it's her ......


It's that she isn't a commoner.


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A commoner with about 20 or so ranks in a skill or two is concidered about the same as a guilded person as matters of money go- although the ferryman still thinks twice about asking me for money on the rare occasion that I go to Leth.

Arfeinnei


Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy