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Reply>Why are you still talking? Good thing no one listens to you, we just laugh at your ignorance<
Haven't heard or seen any proof in these forum posts about metagaming that has me not speaking the truth if you don't like that and find me ignorant for eet that sounds like a personal problem and you should look inside yourself for the answers not say negative stuff to or about me that mind you no one else responded to.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but if I'm right... "
Okay follow with me.
HASTALUEGO said
<You simply play your character in the world as it exists, and if you do it well and circumstances line up, you may be brought into a plotline at any given time.
Implication being if you DONT play your character up to snuff but your circumstances still line up you don't make the cut to play in a plotline.
This idea is by definition elitist.
Where did HASTALUEGO get this idea? Was it because perhaps someone had lead him/her to think that was true? Did he pull this from thin air?
Or is it the conclusion of someone who plays regularly.
We know only recently from Navesi posting and saying it took her/him 4 years to attain GMNPC interaction. We also know that GM NOHN said...
<I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high, either: Simply be in a public space, responsive and interactive, and not breaking the IC environment.
The implication being rewards are usually very long term and the bar is typically set high to get even a modicum of positive reinforcement.
So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward. Espeacially when one of the people who participate declare in an off hand way that role play, played "well" (which is all perspective) is rewarded.
Now to be clear I called HASTALUEGO's comment elitist, I called the situation pertaining to the subplot elitist. Which it is. And I said the rewarding of "good role play" under the guise as HASTALUEGO was implying was also elitist.
I'm starting to wonder what your motivations are.
If you feel under attack and considered an elitist for participating that's your baby.
You rolled into this thread decrying my perception of the events. I know some people that were in the group, I dont think they or you are elitist.
<You will not imply or state that I am elitist or say I was "chosen" for some "metagame" reason without backing it up with evidence, which you still have not, incidentally.
For the record making a demand over the internet and me not making fun of you despite it, is proof positive I am not trolling.
<And even if others did find out that a group was working with Lilena, that does nothing to address how you would know if people called us "buffoons, questioned our sanity, or ignored us."
Like I said it was a generalization of my opinion of the communities reaction.
<Let's take this a step further for a moment. Using what you say later in your reply, "I don't actually think you Klines are obscure." That to me reads that you believe Klines is notable or famous in some way. Therefore, Klines, <the IC character, has a reputation that might lend people to believe him even if he makes a claim that seems outrageous or without being able to given his full reasoning. He has developed, ICly, a reputation of being trustworthy. <How is that not in the exact spririt of being IC and roleplaying?
Your tag says "KLINES"DR plus you said you reached out to me on reddit. Im sure you have other OOC means of communique which popularizes the tag and the character at the same time. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Or I am demonizing metagaming, it's a fact of life.
<At best you've referenced it as "circumstantial evidence." I eagerly await hearing what you know about why/how we were chosen.
My argument was based on HASTALUEGO's comment. Proving why it was wrong to have.
A smiley face isn't trolling.
HASTALUEGO said
<You simply play your character in the world as it exists, and if you do it well and circumstances line up, you may be brought into a plotline at any given time.
Implication being if you DONT play your character up to snuff but your circumstances still line up you don't make the cut to play in a plotline.
This idea is by definition elitist.
Where did HASTALUEGO get this idea? Was it because perhaps someone had lead him/her to think that was true? Did he pull this from thin air?
Or is it the conclusion of someone who plays regularly.
We know only recently from Navesi posting and saying it took her/him 4 years to attain GMNPC interaction. We also know that GM NOHN said...
<I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high, either: Simply be in a public space, responsive and interactive, and not breaking the IC environment.
The implication being rewards are usually very long term and the bar is typically set high to get even a modicum of positive reinforcement.
So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward. Espeacially when one of the people who participate declare in an off hand way that role play, played "well" (which is all perspective) is rewarded.
Now to be clear I called HASTALUEGO's comment elitist, I called the situation pertaining to the subplot elitist. Which it is. And I said the rewarding of "good role play" under the guise as HASTALUEGO was implying was also elitist.
I'm starting to wonder what your motivations are.
If you feel under attack and considered an elitist for participating that's your baby.
You rolled into this thread decrying my perception of the events. I know some people that were in the group, I dont think they or you are elitist.
<You will not imply or state that I am elitist or say I was "chosen" for some "metagame" reason without backing it up with evidence, which you still have not, incidentally.
For the record making a demand over the internet and me not making fun of you despite it, is proof positive I am not trolling.
<And even if others did find out that a group was working with Lilena, that does nothing to address how you would know if people called us "buffoons, questioned our sanity, or ignored us."
Like I said it was a generalization of my opinion of the communities reaction.
<Let's take this a step further for a moment. Using what you say later in your reply, "I don't actually think you Klines are obscure." That to me reads that you believe Klines is notable or famous in some way. Therefore, Klines, <the IC character, has a reputation that might lend people to believe him even if he makes a claim that seems outrageous or without being able to given his full reasoning. He has developed, ICly, a reputation of being trustworthy. <How is that not in the exact spririt of being IC and roleplaying?
Your tag says "KLINES"DR plus you said you reached out to me on reddit. Im sure you have other OOC means of communique which popularizes the tag and the character at the same time. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Or I am demonizing metagaming, it's a fact of life.
<At best you've referenced it as "circumstantial evidence." I eagerly await hearing what you know about why/how we were chosen.
My argument was based on HASTALUEGO's comment. Proving why it was wrong to have.
A smiley face isn't trolling.
>>Implication being if you DONT play your character up to snuff but your circumstances still line up you don't make the cut to play in a plotline.
The implication could also be that even if you're good at roleplay, circumstances can still keep you out of portions of a plot, but you won't touch that one. It doesn't fit your narrative. You would rather keep harping on your view of what elitism is.
>>This idea is by definition elitist.
You're reading far too much into my statement. Do you really think if a character spends their time being OOC in public that they're likely to be pulled into a plot? If the answer is no, then you're already accepting there's a small barrier of entry where RP is concerned.
The implication could also be that even if you're good at roleplay, circumstances can still keep you out of portions of a plot, but you won't touch that one. It doesn't fit your narrative. You would rather keep harping on your view of what elitism is.
>>This idea is by definition elitist.
You're reading far too much into my statement. Do you really think if a character spends their time being OOC in public that they're likely to be pulled into a plot? If the answer is no, then you're already accepting there's a small barrier of entry where RP is concerned.
<You're reading far too much into my statement. Do you really think if a character spends their time being OOC in public that they're likely to be pulled into a plot? If the answer is no, then you're already accepting there's a small barrier of entry where RP is concerned.
Yeah you know you could have said that to begin with, but you didn't.
Now you've gone off changing the meaning and finally retracted your statement to mean something else entirely when you had hours to clarify.
Yeah you know you could have said that to begin with, but you didn't.
Now you've gone off changing the meaning and finally retracted your statement to mean something else entirely when you had hours to clarify.
I play what was an obscure, unknown to most necromancer in prime. By staying in character and being at the right place at the right time I was recently able to partake in a rather large storyline event, gmnpc's and all.
You're narrative that -isms are preventing all but a chosen few from participating in things is entirely in your head.
The part that you keep glossing over, despite being told it multiple times now, is that the people who do end up involved in these events are role playing. Not sitting around wondering how they can get involved in gmnpc whatevers. Not sitting around thinking about how clicks and -isms will never let them participate in storylines. Just roleplaying.
Play your character and stop worrying about if you can figure out the magical formula for being one of the chosen few. The formula isn't arcane or hidden. Just stay IC and enjoy your day to day interactions with the rest of us. Every so often you'll find yourself in the right place at the right time and you'll get drawn into something bigger.
You're narrative that -isms are preventing all but a chosen few from participating in things is entirely in your head.
The part that you keep glossing over, despite being told it multiple times now, is that the people who do end up involved in these events are role playing. Not sitting around wondering how they can get involved in gmnpc whatevers. Not sitting around thinking about how clicks and -isms will never let them participate in storylines. Just roleplaying.
Play your character and stop worrying about if you can figure out the magical formula for being one of the chosen few. The formula isn't arcane or hidden. Just stay IC and enjoy your day to day interactions with the rest of us. Every so often you'll find yourself in the right place at the right time and you'll get drawn into something bigger.
>>My character is actually a very pleasant person to engage with in the game. Perhaps you are metagaming your opinion based on my forums posting.
I wasn't even quoting you in that response.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
I wasn't even quoting you in that response.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
This entire thread, like similar threads of its ilk, are a good way to make other players go, "You know, that player deserves a break."
As a random example, if most of my forum time is spent telling Kodius that his crafting systems stink, he's not going to go to me for ideas on what cool things should come around. Similarly, if I do nothing but tell the events team that they are grossly biased toward other players, don't act inclusive, and are the worst ever, even in threads where they're being explicitly transparent about how events worked out, shock of shocks maybe I'm not the kind of person to engage in.
Players who roleplay well get rewarded with access to character development. Players who spend all day complaining about the accomplishments of others don't, because they don't have a character to develop as much as an axe to grind.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
As a random example, if most of my forum time is spent telling Kodius that his crafting systems stink, he's not going to go to me for ideas on what cool things should come around. Similarly, if I do nothing but tell the events team that they are grossly biased toward other players, don't act inclusive, and are the worst ever, even in threads where they're being explicitly transparent about how events worked out, shock of shocks maybe I'm not the kind of person to engage in.
Players who roleplay well get rewarded with access to character development. Players who spend all day complaining about the accomplishments of others don't, because they don't have a character to develop as much as an axe to grind.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
<Play your character and stop worrying about if you can figure out the magical formula for being one of the chosen few. The formula isn't arcane or hidden. Just stay IC and enjoy your day to day interactions with the rest of us. <Every so often you'll find yourself in the right place at the right time and you'll get drawn into something bigger.
Hey other than that part about being delusional that was a very nice post.
Thank you, I'm always trying to be in character.
And it's funny but I actually had a conversation with a player a while back who just talked to me OOC about what they found flagrantly OOC in my game and it helped a lot.
<You simply play your character in the world as it exists, and if you do it well and circumstances line up, you may be brought into a plotline at any given time.
>>Implication being if you DONT play your character up to snuff but your circumstances still line up you don't make the cut to play in a plotline.
If me being elitist means that I want to roleplay with people who actually care about their characters, the established lore of the game, a reasonable story line, and the mutual respect of others around them, then absolutely sign me up as being elitist. Those are absolutely the things I care about and I would wear that badge proudly in that case.
But let's set that aside for a moment. If a plot line calls for a certain type of character personality and your character's personality is contrary to what that plot calls for, then you absolutely shouldn't be the character in that plot. It wouldn't work for the plot, it wouldn't work for you, it would result in a poor experience all the way around. It's like taking a character from a movie or book who is a serial killer and putting them in a movie about puppies. It's awkward, weird, jarring, nonsensical, and very few will actually enjoy it.
>>Where did HASTALUEGO get this idea? Was it because perhaps someone had lead him/her to think that was true? Did he pull this from thin air?
That's one heck of a conclusion to make on someone else's behalf and then speak to as if it were fact. Doing that is risky, at best.
>>Or is it the conclusion of someone who plays regularly.
I'm not sure. Are you privvy to how often HASTALUEGO plays or is this another piece of "circumstantial evidence?"
>>We know only recently from Navesi posting and saying it took her/him 4 years to attain GMNPC interaction. We also know that GM NOHN said...
<I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high, either: Simply be in a public space, responsive and interactive, and not breaking the IC environment.
>>The implication being rewards are usually very long term and the bar is typically set high to get even a modicum of positive reinforcement.
That absolutely was not implied in any way and putting those two things together is disingenuous. A single sample saying it took 4 years to have GMPC interaction is not even remotely close to something that can be held up as an accurate representation of what "usually" happens. Additionally, the quote from the GM seems legit to me and all of those things seem like reasonable traits I would expect a GM to look for in a quality roleplaying environment.
Furthermore, how do you justify saying "the bar is typically set high" when the quote you yourself quoted literally says "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high." The quote that literally came from a person who, at times, likely threw out hooks to get players involved in story arcs? I don't understand that logic at all.
>>So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward. Espeacially when one of the people who participate declare in an off hand way that role play, played "well" (which is all perspective) is rewarded.
Good roleplay should be rewarded wherever and whenever possible. I cannot think of a circumstance in which I would not stand behind that. Right on the tin it says Dragonrealms is a "roleplaying game."
>>I'm starting to wonder what your motivations are.
Apparently I wasn't clear in my first post, so I'll quote myself:
<Let me be clear so there is no misunderstanding: My annoyance is that you are effectively calling me out by stating: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC" and "Infact the very reason these players were chosen to be in the know by the GM who played Lilena and then had their characters sworn to secrecy was in a way.... say it with me...metagaming."
>>You rolled into this thread decrying my perception of the events. I know some people that were in the group, I dont think they or you are elitist.
That isn't what you said. You said: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC." To be clear once again, that is you, stating that the GMNPC instilled the idea of elitism in members of the group that worked with Lilena.
<You will not imply or state that I am elitist or say I was "chosen" for some "metagame" reason without backing it up with evidence, which you still have not, incidentally.
>>For the record making a demand over the internet and me not making fun of you despite it, is proof positive I am not trolling.
It is not a demand, it is a statement of fact. If you call me out, I will respond and point out why you are wrong, when you are wrong. This isn't a pride or ego thing. This is a matter of setting the record straight when someone wishes to rewrite the narrative to suit their own ends.
<Let's take this a step further for a moment. Using what you say later in your reply, "I don't actually think you Klines are obscure." That to me reads that you believe Klines is notable or famous in some way. Therefore, Klines, <the IC character, has a reputation that might lend people to believe him even if he makes a claim that seems outrageous or without being able to given his full reasoning. He has developed, ICly, a reputation of being trustworthy. <How is that not in the exact spririt of being IC and roleplaying?
>>Your tag says "KLINES"DR plus you said you reached out to me on reddit. Im sure you have other OOC means of communique which popularizes the tag and the character at the same time. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Okay. Fair point. You're saying that people know Klines because they see me make posts on Reddit, Twitter, or the forums and that lends them to want to listen more to my character ICly. I will agree that could happen, definitely. So with us on the same page there, let me say and ask this: I started playing DR and no one knew me. If Klines has a reputation (whether it is IC, OOC, or a mix of both) I worked hard to build that reputation from nothing. If I can do that, why can't you? You could argue that one shouldn't have to build a OOC reputation to get involved in plots. But you yourself have said that "metagaming, it's a fact of life." So the playing field is level. What is stopping you from doing what others have done?
<At best you've referenced it as "circumstantial evidence." I eagerly await hearing what you know about why/how we were chosen.
>>My argument was based on HASTALUEGO's comment.
No, it was not. You said in reply to me: "I have no idea what criteria you and your fellow players were chosen for participation. I can guess given the circumstantial evidence as I have it." I still await this circumstantial evidence.
>>>A smiley face isn't trolling.
A smiley face also isn't language. I said "confrontational language" not "confrontational emoticons." Once again, there's a difference.
>>Implication being if you DONT play your character up to snuff but your circumstances still line up you don't make the cut to play in a plotline.
If me being elitist means that I want to roleplay with people who actually care about their characters, the established lore of the game, a reasonable story line, and the mutual respect of others around them, then absolutely sign me up as being elitist. Those are absolutely the things I care about and I would wear that badge proudly in that case.
But let's set that aside for a moment. If a plot line calls for a certain type of character personality and your character's personality is contrary to what that plot calls for, then you absolutely shouldn't be the character in that plot. It wouldn't work for the plot, it wouldn't work for you, it would result in a poor experience all the way around. It's like taking a character from a movie or book who is a serial killer and putting them in a movie about puppies. It's awkward, weird, jarring, nonsensical, and very few will actually enjoy it.
>>Where did HASTALUEGO get this idea? Was it because perhaps someone had lead him/her to think that was true? Did he pull this from thin air?
That's one heck of a conclusion to make on someone else's behalf and then speak to as if it were fact. Doing that is risky, at best.
>>Or is it the conclusion of someone who plays regularly.
I'm not sure. Are you privvy to how often HASTALUEGO plays or is this another piece of "circumstantial evidence?"
>>We know only recently from Navesi posting and saying it took her/him 4 years to attain GMNPC interaction. We also know that GM NOHN said...
<I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high, either: Simply be in a public space, responsive and interactive, and not breaking the IC environment.
>>The implication being rewards are usually very long term and the bar is typically set high to get even a modicum of positive reinforcement.
That absolutely was not implied in any way and putting those two things together is disingenuous. A single sample saying it took 4 years to have GMPC interaction is not even remotely close to something that can be held up as an accurate representation of what "usually" happens. Additionally, the quote from the GM seems legit to me and all of those things seem like reasonable traits I would expect a GM to look for in a quality roleplaying environment.
Furthermore, how do you justify saying "the bar is typically set high" when the quote you yourself quoted literally says "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high." The quote that literally came from a person who, at times, likely threw out hooks to get players involved in story arcs? I don't understand that logic at all.
>>So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward. Espeacially when one of the people who participate declare in an off hand way that role play, played "well" (which is all perspective) is rewarded.
Good roleplay should be rewarded wherever and whenever possible. I cannot think of a circumstance in which I would not stand behind that. Right on the tin it says Dragonrealms is a "roleplaying game."
>>I'm starting to wonder what your motivations are.
Apparently I wasn't clear in my first post, so I'll quote myself:
<Let me be clear so there is no misunderstanding: My annoyance is that you are effectively calling me out by stating: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC" and "Infact the very reason these players were chosen to be in the know by the GM who played Lilena and then had their characters sworn to secrecy was in a way.... say it with me...metagaming."
>>You rolled into this thread decrying my perception of the events. I know some people that were in the group, I dont think they or you are elitist.
That isn't what you said. You said: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC." To be clear once again, that is you, stating that the GMNPC instilled the idea of elitism in members of the group that worked with Lilena.
<You will not imply or state that I am elitist or say I was "chosen" for some "metagame" reason without backing it up with evidence, which you still have not, incidentally.
>>For the record making a demand over the internet and me not making fun of you despite it, is proof positive I am not trolling.
It is not a demand, it is a statement of fact. If you call me out, I will respond and point out why you are wrong, when you are wrong. This isn't a pride or ego thing. This is a matter of setting the record straight when someone wishes to rewrite the narrative to suit their own ends.
<Let's take this a step further for a moment. Using what you say later in your reply, "I don't actually think you Klines are obscure." That to me reads that you believe Klines is notable or famous in some way. Therefore, Klines, <the IC character, has a reputation that might lend people to believe him even if he makes a claim that seems outrageous or without being able to given his full reasoning. He has developed, ICly, a reputation of being trustworthy. <How is that not in the exact spririt of being IC and roleplaying?
>>Your tag says "KLINES"DR plus you said you reached out to me on reddit. Im sure you have other OOC means of communique which popularizes the tag and the character at the same time. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Okay. Fair point. You're saying that people know Klines because they see me make posts on Reddit, Twitter, or the forums and that lends them to want to listen more to my character ICly. I will agree that could happen, definitely. So with us on the same page there, let me say and ask this: I started playing DR and no one knew me. If Klines has a reputation (whether it is IC, OOC, or a mix of both) I worked hard to build that reputation from nothing. If I can do that, why can't you? You could argue that one shouldn't have to build a OOC reputation to get involved in plots. But you yourself have said that "metagaming, it's a fact of life." So the playing field is level. What is stopping you from doing what others have done?
<At best you've referenced it as "circumstantial evidence." I eagerly await hearing what you know about why/how we were chosen.
>>My argument was based on HASTALUEGO's comment.
No, it was not. You said in reply to me: "I have no idea what criteria you and your fellow players were chosen for participation. I can guess given the circumstantial evidence as I have it." I still await this circumstantial evidence.
>>>A smiley face isn't trolling.
A smiley face also isn't language. I said "confrontational language" not "confrontational emoticons." Once again, there's a difference.
<If me being elitist means that I want to roleplay with people who actually care about their characters, the established lore of the game, a reasonable story line, and the mutual respect of others around them, then absolutely sign <me up as being elitist. Those are absolutely the things I care about and I would wear that badge proudly in that case.
Ah virtue signal, nice. Didnt call you an elitist said you weren't in fact.
<But let's set that aside for a moment. If a plot line calls for a certain type of character personality and your character's personality is contrary to what that plot calls for, then you absolutely shouldn't be the character in <that plot. It wouldn't work for the plot, it wouldn't work for you, it would result in a poor experience all the way around. It's like taking a character from a movie or book who is a serial killer and putting them in a movie about <puppies. It's awkward, weird, jarring, nonsensical, and very few will actually enjoy it.
Im not sure what this matters or to whom this is for.
<That absolutely was not implied in any way
Yes it was, yes it is. This is opinion stuff, agree to disagree. I shared for context.
<Furthermore, how do you justify saying "the bar is typically set high" when the quote you yourself quoted literally says "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high."
Absolutely, the GM posted to notify everyone the bar was being set low, the implication being that typically it is not.
<Good roleplay should be rewarded wherever and whenever possible.
Knock the good off there and I'll agree or define it. Everyone has a different metric of "good".
<It is not a demand, it is a statement of fact. If you call me out, I will respond
HASTALEUGO wanted to make an elitist statment, on the back of denying metagaming. I refuted his position.
If for some reason you feel set upon to the point you needed to insert yourself into this situation, that is not my fault.
<But you yourself have said that "metagaming, it's a fact of life." So the playing field is level. What is stopping you from doing what others have done?
I'm literally not allowed to post about it.
<No, it was not.
Yes. Yes it was.
<A smiley face also isn't language. I said "confrontational language" not "confrontational emoticons." Once again, there's a difference.
That's just petulant.
Ah virtue signal, nice. Didnt call you an elitist said you weren't in fact.
<But let's set that aside for a moment. If a plot line calls for a certain type of character personality and your character's personality is contrary to what that plot calls for, then you absolutely shouldn't be the character in <that plot. It wouldn't work for the plot, it wouldn't work for you, it would result in a poor experience all the way around. It's like taking a character from a movie or book who is a serial killer and putting them in a movie about <puppies. It's awkward, weird, jarring, nonsensical, and very few will actually enjoy it.
Im not sure what this matters or to whom this is for.
<That absolutely was not implied in any way
Yes it was, yes it is. This is opinion stuff, agree to disagree. I shared for context.
<Furthermore, how do you justify saying "the bar is typically set high" when the quote you yourself quoted literally says "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high."
Absolutely, the GM posted to notify everyone the bar was being set low, the implication being that typically it is not.
<Good roleplay should be rewarded wherever and whenever possible.
Knock the good off there and I'll agree or define it. Everyone has a different metric of "good".
<It is not a demand, it is a statement of fact. If you call me out, I will respond
HASTALEUGO wanted to make an elitist statment, on the back of denying metagaming. I refuted his position.
If for some reason you feel set upon to the point you needed to insert yourself into this situation, that is not my fault.
<But you yourself have said that "metagaming, it's a fact of life." So the playing field is level. What is stopping you from doing what others have done?
I'm literally not allowed to post about it.
<No, it was not.
Yes. Yes it was.
<A smiley face also isn't language. I said "confrontational language" not "confrontational emoticons." Once again, there's a difference.
That's just petulant.
>If for some reason you feel set upon to the point you needed to insert yourself into this situation, that is not my fault.
And here we are, yet again/still/forever reminded that you cannot go more than a few hours without a flailing tantrum that someone, somewhere, enjoyed something that you clearly, plainly, do not enjoy. Is your incessant need to insert said reminder also not your fault?
>>Ah virtue signal, nice.
I'm continually amazed that people are turned off by you as a person and have no inclination to actively engage you. You seem so pleasant.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
I'm continually amazed that people are turned off by you as a person and have no inclination to actively engage you. You seem so pleasant.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
>The part that you keep glossing over, despite being told it multiple times now, is that the people who do end up involved in these events are role playing. Not sitting around wondering how they can get involved in gmnpc whatevers. Not sitting around thinking about how clicks and -isms will never let them participate in storylines. Just roleplaying.<
This is another thing that irks me that people say....Role playing..... I mean think about it if you log into DR and say something to someone no matter what you say it is role playing to some degree. DR is an RPG that in itself by logging in you are role playing. When people use role playing to negatively define someone eet is just as stupid to me as people using the phrase metagaming. Everyone does both regardless whether they like eet or not. Now to what degree they do eet can be different but everyone does eet. The funny thing is the majority of people in forums that spew this garbage out of their mouth don't even interact or have nothing to do with said character IG eet is sad really forum soldiers who really know nothing. I laugh every time someone on forums claim me and Cayra are the same person. I've even had GM's tell me they think eets funny too because the person or persons have zero Idea what they are talking about but they still continue to just forum vomit out of their mouth. Speaking all proper and stuff but making no sense. who cares how good you can use grammar if what your saying is garbage or irrelevant to anything that matters.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but if I'm right... "
This is another thing that irks me that people say....Role playing..... I mean think about it if you log into DR and say something to someone no matter what you say it is role playing to some degree. DR is an RPG that in itself by logging in you are role playing. When people use role playing to negatively define someone eet is just as stupid to me as people using the phrase metagaming. Everyone does both regardless whether they like eet or not. Now to what degree they do eet can be different but everyone does eet. The funny thing is the majority of people in forums that spew this garbage out of their mouth don't even interact or have nothing to do with said character IG eet is sad really forum soldiers who really know nothing. I laugh every time someone on forums claim me and Cayra are the same person. I've even had GM's tell me they think eets funny too because the person or persons have zero Idea what they are talking about but they still continue to just forum vomit out of their mouth. Speaking all proper and stuff but making no sense. who cares how good you can use grammar if what your saying is garbage or irrelevant to anything that matters.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but if I'm right... "
>>Ah virtue signal, nice. Didnt call you an elitist said you weren't in fact.
Recall when I said "This is a matter of setting the record straight when someone wishes to rewrite the narrative to suit their own ends." Your very first sentence is exactly why I am replying to you.
You did, in fact, say I was elitist on two occasions. I pointed out one in my last post, but I'll point them both out now since it seems you are either forgetting what you wrote or are disregarding what you wrote since it no longer serves your position. The first time was when you said: "So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward." The second time was when you said: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC."
To be fair to you, you also said: "I know some people that were in the group, I dont think they or you are elitist." But let's continue to be fair and point out that you either are contradicting yourself by calling the group elitist in one post, then saying they are not elitist in another post or you are again demonstrating why I feel the need to set the record straight when someone wishes to rewrite the narrative. It really can't be anything other than one of those two things.
>>Im not sure what this matters or to whom this is for.
It speaks directly to when you said: "Implication being if you DONT play your character up to snuff but your circumstances still line up you don't make the cut to play in a plotline." I'm saying that you are right, sometimes, your circumstances will line up and you still won't be hooked into the roleplay because your character does not suit the role that the plot requires. That's not favortism or elitism. That is how stories work. The right characters, in the right place, at the right time. All the world's a stage and all...
<That absolutely was not implied in any way
<Furthermore, how do you justify saying "the bar is typically set high" when the quote you yourself quoted literally says "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high."
>>Yes it was, yes it is. This is opinion stuff, agree to disagree. I shared for context.
This isn't opinion stuff at all. Taking one person's experience and saying this is the "norm" is nonsense.
Also, from your quote, the GM literally said: "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high." That isn't opinion, it is what was said. YOU quoted it and then said: "The implication being rewards are usually very long term and the bar is typically set high to get even a modicum of positive reinforcement." If you can read a sentence that says "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high" and then walk away saying that it meant "The implication is....the bar is typically set high..." then you, for a second time, are reinforcing why someone needs to point when you are wrong and trying to change the narrative to suit your ends.
>>Absolutely, the GM posted to notify everyone the bar was being set low, the implication being that typically it is not.
Oh. I see. So you posted a quote out of context to support your narrative?
>>Knock the good off there and I'll agree or define it. Everyone has a different metric of "good".
I've already done that. Allow me to remind you: "...I want roleplay with people who actually care about their characters, the established lore of the game, a reasonable story line, and the mutual respect of others around them..."
>>HASTALEUGO wanted to make an elitist statment, on the back of denying metagaming. I refuted his position.
>>If for some reason you feel set upon to the point you needed to insert yourself into this situation, that is not my fault.
You made it about me when you included me in the group you called out. Playing innocent about it after the fact does not magically make people forget what you said. In case you did forget what you said though, allow me to quote myself (again sadly) from above: "The first time was when you said: "So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward." The second time was when you said: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC.""
<But you yourself have said that "metagaming, it's a fact of life." So the playing field is level. What is stopping you from doing what others have done?
>>I'm literally not allowed to post about it.
In posts you have made in the past, I offered help and you refused. Others offered help and you refused. Surely you can see how this might lead one to think you don't actually want help. I'm not entirely sure what posts have to do with this anway...
<No, it was not.
>>Yes. Yes it was.
Your own words say otherwise. Let me correct the narrative for a third time in the same post by reminding you that your words were: "I have no idea what criteria you and your fellow players were chosen for participation. I can guess given the circumstantial evidence as I have it."
<A smiley face also isn't language. I said "confrontational language" not "confrontational emoticons." Once again, there's a difference.
>>That's just petulant.
It might be! But with the way you've been willfully disregarding your past statements and changing perspectives to suit your position I thought it important to point out that my comment wasn't directed at your emoticon, but was instead referring to you calling it an engagement.
Recall when I said "This is a matter of setting the record straight when someone wishes to rewrite the narrative to suit their own ends." Your very first sentence is exactly why I am replying to you.
You did, in fact, say I was elitist on two occasions. I pointed out one in my last post, but I'll point them both out now since it seems you are either forgetting what you wrote or are disregarding what you wrote since it no longer serves your position. The first time was when you said: "So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward." The second time was when you said: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC."
To be fair to you, you also said: "I know some people that were in the group, I dont think they or you are elitist." But let's continue to be fair and point out that you either are contradicting yourself by calling the group elitist in one post, then saying they are not elitist in another post or you are again demonstrating why I feel the need to set the record straight when someone wishes to rewrite the narrative. It really can't be anything other than one of those two things.
>>Im not sure what this matters or to whom this is for.
It speaks directly to when you said: "Implication being if you DONT play your character up to snuff but your circumstances still line up you don't make the cut to play in a plotline." I'm saying that you are right, sometimes, your circumstances will line up and you still won't be hooked into the roleplay because your character does not suit the role that the plot requires. That's not favortism or elitism. That is how stories work. The right characters, in the right place, at the right time. All the world's a stage and all...
<That absolutely was not implied in any way
<Furthermore, how do you justify saying "the bar is typically set high" when the quote you yourself quoted literally says "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high."
>>Yes it was, yes it is. This is opinion stuff, agree to disagree. I shared for context.
This isn't opinion stuff at all. Taking one person's experience and saying this is the "norm" is nonsense.
Also, from your quote, the GM literally said: "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high." That isn't opinion, it is what was said. YOU quoted it and then said: "The implication being rewards are usually very long term and the bar is typically set high to get even a modicum of positive reinforcement." If you can read a sentence that says "I'm not looking to set the baseline bar high" and then walk away saying that it meant "The implication is....the bar is typically set high..." then you, for a second time, are reinforcing why someone needs to point when you are wrong and trying to change the narrative to suit your ends.
>>Absolutely, the GM posted to notify everyone the bar was being set low, the implication being that typically it is not.
Oh. I see. So you posted a quote out of context to support your narrative?
>>Knock the good off there and I'll agree or define it. Everyone has a different metric of "good".
I've already done that. Allow me to remind you: "...I want roleplay with people who actually care about their characters, the established lore of the game, a reasonable story line, and the mutual respect of others around them..."
>>HASTALEUGO wanted to make an elitist statment, on the back of denying metagaming. I refuted his position.
>>If for some reason you feel set upon to the point you needed to insert yourself into this situation, that is not my fault.
You made it about me when you included me in the group you called out. Playing innocent about it after the fact does not magically make people forget what you said. In case you did forget what you said though, allow me to quote myself (again sadly) from above: "The first time was when you said: "So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward." The second time was when you said: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC.""
<But you yourself have said that "metagaming, it's a fact of life." So the playing field is level. What is stopping you from doing what others have done?
>>I'm literally not allowed to post about it.
In posts you have made in the past, I offered help and you refused. Others offered help and you refused. Surely you can see how this might lead one to think you don't actually want help. I'm not entirely sure what posts have to do with this anway...
<No, it was not.
>>Yes. Yes it was.
Your own words say otherwise. Let me correct the narrative for a third time in the same post by reminding you that your words were: "I have no idea what criteria you and your fellow players were chosen for participation. I can guess given the circumstantial evidence as I have it."
<A smiley face also isn't language. I said "confrontational language" not "confrontational emoticons." Once again, there's a difference.
>>That's just petulant.
It might be! But with the way you've been willfully disregarding your past statements and changing perspectives to suit your position I thought it important to point out that my comment wasn't directed at your emoticon, but was instead referring to you calling it an engagement.
<You did, in fact, say I was elitist on two occasions.
The one referencing the other. Im pretty sure SOMEONE has called you an elitist or made you feel like one.
I don't know who. But by all means continue
<That's not favortism or elitism. That is how stories work. The right characters, in the right place, at the right time. All the world's a stage and all...
Ah ha gotcha
<Oh. I see. So you posted a quote out of context to support your narrative?
RPA's are rewards, GMNPC involvement is also a reward, a greater one.
Navesi took 4 years to glean a greater reward, so to set the metric there needed to be an established minor degree of reward. Enter GM NOHN.
<I've already done that. Allow me to remind you
Yeah the virtue signal I got it.
<You made it about me when you included me in the group you called out. Playing innocent about it after the fact does not magically make people forget what you said.
You better hold my feet to the flame on this.
<In posts you have made in the past, I offered help and you refused. Others offered help and you refused. Surely you can see how this might lead one to think you don't actually want help. I'm not entirely sure what posts have to do with this anway...
I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
<It might be! But with the way you've been willfully disregarding your past statements and changing perspectives to suit your position I thought it important to point out that my comment wasn't directed at your emoticon, but was <instead referring to you calling it an engagement.
Not trolling you. Didn't call you an Elitist, didn't even call HASTALUEGO an Elitist (well until he called me dense). Oh and a smiley face isn't trolling.
Have fun on the crusade.
>>The one referencing the other.
Correct. You said it once. Then you doubled down and said it again. At least we are agreeing on that now.
>>Im pretty sure SOMEONE has called you an elitist or made you feel like one. I don't know who. But by all means continue
You're absolutely right! It was you. Should I paste the quotes again or should I trust you to scroll up? I better paste them again because I would be disappointed if your gaslighting techniques actually worked on someone.
You said: "So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward." That is you calling me elitist once since I was part of the group that received the "reward."
The you doubled down when you wrote: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC." That is another occurence of you calling me an elitist as I was part of the group which had the "idea instilled in each of [us] by the GMPC."
Once again, just because you change your statement and say/imply you didn't say something, doesn't mean I can't easily go and grab the quotes where you did. Gaslighting will not work here.
<Oh. I see. So you posted a quote out of context to support your narrative?
>>RPA's are rewards, GMNPC involvement is also a reward, a greater one.
Your reply to my question make no sense whatsoever. It is a nonsequitor. Is this another attempt to muddy the waters to confuse people about what you are trying to do here?
>>Navesi took 4 years to glean a greater reward, so to set the metric there needed to be an established minor degree of reward. Enter GM NOHN.
Again, calling one sample a definitive representation of the norm is reckless and nonsensical.
<You made it about me when you included me in the group you called out. Playing innocent about it after the fact does not magically make people forget what you said.
>>You better hold my feet to the flame on this.
I absolutely will. For as long as it takes. Own up to what you write.
<In posts you have made in the past, I offered help and you refused. Others offered help and you refused. Surely you can see how this might lead one to think you don't actually want help. I'm not entirely sure what posts have to do with this anway...
>>I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Not a problem. Let me help you: https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonrealms/comments/682scp/cross_post/dgvgfp2/
That was me reaching out to you, trying to gain a better understanding of your situation, to provide assistance with your overall question only to have you dodge every attempt with deflections.
For full context: https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonrealms/comments/682scp/cross_post/
Furthermore, when you reached out to me for that First Land Herald article link, I not only provided it but followed up with you to ensure you where able to access it so that you would be in the know about what was currently happening ICly. I would be pleased to pull the logs if you require another reminder.
You "repaid" those things by showing up to the event and making snide, thinly veiled OOC comments, the entire time. Please, don't insult my intelligence or your own by denying that.
>>Not trolling you.
Jury's still out.
>>Didn't call you an Elitist
Yes you did. See above.
>>Have fun on the crusade.
Deus vult!
Correct. You said it once. Then you doubled down and said it again. At least we are agreeing on that now.
>>Im pretty sure SOMEONE has called you an elitist or made you feel like one. I don't know who. But by all means continue
You're absolutely right! It was you. Should I paste the quotes again or should I trust you to scroll up? I better paste them again because I would be disappointed if your gaslighting techniques actually worked on someone.
You said: "So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward." That is you calling me elitist once since I was part of the group that received the "reward."
The you doubled down when you wrote: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC." That is another occurence of you calling me an elitist as I was part of the group which had the "idea instilled in each of [us] by the GMPC."
Once again, just because you change your statement and say/imply you didn't say something, doesn't mean I can't easily go and grab the quotes where you did. Gaslighting will not work here.
<Oh. I see. So you posted a quote out of context to support your narrative?
>>RPA's are rewards, GMNPC involvement is also a reward, a greater one.
Your reply to my question make no sense whatsoever. It is a nonsequitor. Is this another attempt to muddy the waters to confuse people about what you are trying to do here?
>>Navesi took 4 years to glean a greater reward, so to set the metric there needed to be an established minor degree of reward. Enter GM NOHN.
Again, calling one sample a definitive representation of the norm is reckless and nonsensical.
<You made it about me when you included me in the group you called out. Playing innocent about it after the fact does not magically make people forget what you said.
>>You better hold my feet to the flame on this.
I absolutely will. For as long as it takes. Own up to what you write.
<In posts you have made in the past, I offered help and you refused. Others offered help and you refused. Surely you can see how this might lead one to think you don't actually want help. I'm not entirely sure what posts have to do with this anway...
>>I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Not a problem. Let me help you: https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonrealms/comments/682scp/cross_post/dgvgfp2/
That was me reaching out to you, trying to gain a better understanding of your situation, to provide assistance with your overall question only to have you dodge every attempt with deflections.
For full context: https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonrealms/comments/682scp/cross_post/
Furthermore, when you reached out to me for that First Land Herald article link, I not only provided it but followed up with you to ensure you where able to access it so that you would be in the know about what was currently happening ICly. I would be pleased to pull the logs if you require another reminder.
You "repaid" those things by showing up to the event and making snide, thinly veiled OOC comments, the entire time. Please, don't insult my intelligence or your own by denying that.
>>Not trolling you.
Jury's still out.
>>Didn't call you an Elitist
Yes you did. See above.
>>Have fun on the crusade.
Deus vult!
>>What on earth has happened here. O.o
Someone who fails to understand why he isn't being given a headline act in a show is continuing to be insufferable.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Someone who fails to understand why he isn't being given a headline act in a show is continuing to be insufferable.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Yeah I don't see anywhere in any of my posts me calling you or anyone elitist. Talk about gas lighting, it reminds me of when interrogators scream in suspects faces with nonstop accusations until they break down and admit to the crime.
<Again, calling one sample a definitive representation of the norm is reckless and nonsensical.
That's your opinion. I bring facts to my fights.
<I absolutely will. For as long as it takes. Own up to what you write.
I have I did, I DID NOT COMMIT THIS MURDER
<That was me reaching out to you, trying to gain a better understanding of your situation, to provide assistance with your overall question only to have you dodge every attempt with deflections.
I dont know who the person on reddit is, it looks like you're accusing me of an alt account.
<Yes you did. See above.
No, no I didn't. Calm. Goose Fraba.
<Deus vult!
omnium suorum interficiet cognosces
Oh, I see! We've reached the part of the thread where you start posting multiple times in a row to further muddy the waters and confuse people! Don't worry, I'll consolidate all in one post so that no one is confused.
>>Finally we get to the real beef. Logs please. I do not remember making thinly veiled OOC comments.
Not at all a "beef." A statement of fact amongst a sea of statements of fact which you mostly chose to ignore. I am thinking you ignored most of them because they didn't support your position. In any event, logs are forthcoming. Admitedly, they'll require some digging to get the precise quotes, large event and all, of course!
>>Stand back! Its a question of honor!
Trolling.
>>Yeah I don't see anywhere in any of my posts me calling you or anyone elitist. Talk about gas lighting, it reminds me of when interrogators scream in suspects faces with nonstop accusations until they break down and admit to the crime.
The scenario you described probably reminds you of gaslighting because...it is gaslighting? Anyway, on to where you called me elitist (once again!).
You said: "So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward." That is you calling me elitist once since I was part of the group that received the "reward."
The you doubled down when you wrote: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC." That is another occurence of you calling me an elitist as I was part of the group which had the "idea instilled in each of [us] by the GMPC."
<Again, calling one sample a definitive representation of the norm is reckless and nonsensical.
>>That's your opinion. I bring facts to my fights.
I will take this to mean that you do not understand how statistical sampling works and will withdraw my argument in this area. I am unwilling to continue to discuss this particular point with someone who thinks their opinion with a sample of 1 constitutes empirical statistic evidence. Although, this does clarify why you think your opinion holds so much weight.
<I absolutely will. For as long as it takes. Own up to what you write.
>>I have I did, I DID NOT COMMIT THIS MURDER
Trolling.
<That was me reaching out to you, trying to gain a better understanding of your situation, to provide assistance with your overall question only to have you dodge every attempt with deflections.
>>I dont know who the person on reddit is, it looks like you're accusing me of an alt account.
Really? Really, Tarlof? Really? Trolling.
<Yes you did. See above.
>>No, no I didn't. Calm. Goose Fraba.
Yes you did. See above. Again.
<Deus vult!
>>omnium suorum interficiet cognosces
I used "Deus Vult" because you said crusa...nevermind...you already know. Trolling.
>>Finally we get to the real beef. Logs please. I do not remember making thinly veiled OOC comments.
Not at all a "beef." A statement of fact amongst a sea of statements of fact which you mostly chose to ignore. I am thinking you ignored most of them because they didn't support your position. In any event, logs are forthcoming. Admitedly, they'll require some digging to get the precise quotes, large event and all, of course!
>>Stand back! Its a question of honor!
Trolling.
>>Yeah I don't see anywhere in any of my posts me calling you or anyone elitist. Talk about gas lighting, it reminds me of when interrogators scream in suspects faces with nonstop accusations until they break down and admit to the crime.
The scenario you described probably reminds you of gaslighting because...it is gaslighting? Anyway, on to where you called me elitist (once again!).
You said: "So it is not a stretch of the imagination to draw a conclusion of elitism to this event which most consider a reward." That is you calling me elitist once since I was part of the group that received the "reward."
The you doubled down when you wrote: "Your statement implies elitism which is reinforced by the paradigm that was insinuated in the sub plot. An idea instilled in each of you by the GMNPC." That is another occurence of you calling me an elitist as I was part of the group which had the "idea instilled in each of [us] by the GMPC."
<Again, calling one sample a definitive representation of the norm is reckless and nonsensical.
>>That's your opinion. I bring facts to my fights.
I will take this to mean that you do not understand how statistical sampling works and will withdraw my argument in this area. I am unwilling to continue to discuss this particular point with someone who thinks their opinion with a sample of 1 constitutes empirical statistic evidence. Although, this does clarify why you think your opinion holds so much weight.
<I absolutely will. For as long as it takes. Own up to what you write.
>>I have I did, I DID NOT COMMIT THIS MURDER
Trolling.
<That was me reaching out to you, trying to gain a better understanding of your situation, to provide assistance with your overall question only to have you dodge every attempt with deflections.
>>I dont know who the person on reddit is, it looks like you're accusing me of an alt account.
Really? Really, Tarlof? Really? Trolling.
<Yes you did. See above.
>>No, no I didn't. Calm. Goose Fraba.
Yes you did. See above. Again.
<Deus vult!
>>omnium suorum interficiet cognosces
I used "Deus Vult" because you said crusa...nevermind...you already know. Trolling.
<In any event, logs are forthcoming. Admitedly, they'll require some digging to get the precise quotes, large event and all, of course!
I sympathize.
I don't see anywhere in any of my posts me calling you or anyone elitist. I do invite you to show me where.
Refusing to capitulate a point and having an opinion with sense of humor is not trolling.
METAGAMING is real man!!!!!!!! Hide your kids hide your wives tuck your chains in your shirts because its going down.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but if I'm right... "
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but if I'm right... "
<METAGAMING is real man!!!!!!!! Hide your kids hide your wives tuck your chains in your shirts because its going down.
Probably wrong I got a good chuckle out of that.
It's just hilarious when people toss that insult out like a by the way.
The latest elitist fashion wear for those trendy role players, cut your opponents down! With hypocrisy!
Probably wrong I got a good chuckle out of that.
It's just hilarious when people toss that insult out like a by the way.
The latest elitist fashion wear for those trendy role players, cut your opponents down! With hypocrisy!
He wants to create drama, insert himself in to every situation, ruin things for every one else, while explaining how it is our fault and we bring these things on ourselves, and then when we all feel badly that we are just not living up to his expectations, he wants to be the hero.
It is really an abusive pattern of behavior, and it might work with some people. But, this is a community of people, and it is not working here. So, now, he is just going to tell us over and over and over again how we are wrong, and horrible people, and he is terribly misunderstood, and we are bullies (because that is a super fun trigger word), and he is an innocent victim.
Maybe if we ignore it, it will go away...
Honestly, I checked out when he was presented with quotes 3-10 times, direct quotes of himself, calling people elitist, and he simply responded with 'I don't see it'.
I wasn't going to argue regardless, but that statement either indicates we, as a group, are unable to communicate with him successfully, or that he's deliberately being obtuse. Either way nothing interesting or productive can happen.
I wasn't going to argue regardless, but that statement either indicates we, as a group, are unable to communicate with him successfully, or that he's deliberately being obtuse. Either way nothing interesting or productive can happen.
<Dude I get the impression that you simultaneously want to be involved in stuff and want to alienate all the players and gms who could involve you in stuff and it makes me very confused. =(
Don't be confused. I have gotten involved. I do get involved.
We as players should be able to have a conversation about what goes on in the game without people needing to demonize the source, or make unilateral rules to in effect create safe spaces for people.
In this most recent discussion several players want to dismiss the notion that metagaming has and does effect game play. I disagree. Simple as that.
Now if players and GMs hypothetically wish to hold my character accountable for what I the player have said on these forums, in the game RPly. They are engaging in metagaming and or bias.
I'm not advocating people be forced to endure profanity, which even here in the conflicts folder they aren't.
I'm saying there isn't anything wrong with a conversation and it's sad that people can't engage in that conversation without an implied threat of persecution or isolation hanging over them.
Is your argument so fragile you refuse to hear a counter point? Your pride?
In a battle of ideas you have nothing to lose but ample knowledge to gain. Risk a thought, brave a conversation.
>Dude I get the impression that you simultaneously want to be involved in stuff and want to alienate all the players and gms who could involve you in stuff and it makes me very confused. =(
Well, yeah. All of the flails seem to be efforts to pass the buck, while simultaneously regurgitating platitudes about how everyone else needs to accept personal responsibility or take a risk in conversation or whatever drivel is effectively underlining that he's 100% reading what we're writing, and is deliberately working to obtusely A ) not hear anything, and B ) remind us that he isn't listening and is just going to keep steaming on ahead.
Well, yeah. All of the flails seem to be efforts to pass the buck, while simultaneously regurgitating platitudes about how everyone else needs to accept personal responsibility or take a risk in conversation or whatever drivel is effectively underlining that he's 100% reading what we're writing, and is deliberately working to obtusely A ) not hear anything, and B ) remind us that he isn't listening and is just going to keep steaming on ahead.
<he wants to be the hero.
Please play this every time you read my posts. I just have it on repeat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLclBfKj48
