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Anyone got any coping strategies for telling people when things are?
OOC whispers work for most cases, but leaves larger groups of people hanging and isn't an option via familiar (whispering for familiars, please).
I'm starting to feel put on the spot whenever anyone asks when an upcomming Bloodbath is and just blurt out something like an awkward teenager. Is there a better way to do this? Is there any hope for some tinkering with the time-scheme to better accommodate conversion?
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
I use IG time whenever I can manage. Unfortunately if you're talking about time periods of IRL days or greater, this tends to just confuse people. If it's in casual conversation with someone who might not know that I speak in ingame time, I'll give them an OOC whisper translating IRL time so that they don't get the chance to be confused.
There's no good solution for gwething unless you're going to just state the IG date/time. There's a DR-IRL time converter at http://boffinms.com/~tracker/projects/drstat/time.php which can get the job done close enough.
In short, it sucks.
There's no good solution for gwething unless you're going to just state the IG date/time. There's a DR-IRL time converter at http://boffinms.com/~tracker/projects/drstat/time.php which can get the job done close enough.
In short, it sucks.
If you use Genie, Isharon wrote a nice time conversion script. It's neato.
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Time_Unit_Converter_(script)
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http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Out_of_Character
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Time_Unit_Converter_(script)
Vashir: one day I will devise a weapon fueled by the tears of warrior mages
Vashir: it'll be unstoppable
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcszxzpn_22g3mtzcv
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Out_of_Character
In my experience, the greatest confusion is when you speak of hours and days. Many people will probably assume that you mean Earth time. Even when people know you're using Elanthian time, they may assume that "hour" (15 roisaen) means "anlas" (30 roisaen).
If you have a way of privately telling someone, such as the OOC verb, crystal rings, or AIM, it may be best to privately include the Earth date/time along with your IC date/time. I would avoid gwething Earth times (either directly or with a euphemism like "the Eastern clock"), because many people object to that as OOC.
The Web site that ALLISONC10 posted is perfectly accurate (as far as I have tested) so long as you use the right time zone. It requires times to be given in GMT. Right now, the site wants times that are four hours ahead of EDT. So if you wanted to find out the game time for an event that occurs at 18:00:00 (6 PM), you would input 22:00:00 (10 PM). (If the event occurs at 8 PM or later, you also need to change the date to the following day.)
Genie also has a time plugin that tells the current game time, but the accompanying date/time conversion script does not give accurate results, in my experience.
>>RUBYTU: If you use Genie, Isharon wrote a nice time conversion script. It's neato.
Thanks for the plug!
Just to be clear, my script doesn't work with absolute dates and times (such as April 18, 2010). Rather, it converts between different units of time. Want to say that something occurs in 48 real hours, but don't know what that means in Elanthian time? The time unit converter would tell you that it's two andaen.
Supported Conversion Modes
1: Earth to Elanthia
2: Elanthia to Earth
3: Elanthia to Elanthia (converts between Elanthian units)
Supported Units
Earth
1: Minutes
2: Hours
3: Days
4: Weeks
5: Months (defined as 365/12 days)
6: Years
Elanthia
1: Roisaen (minutes)
2: Hours
3: Anlaen
4: Days
5: Andaen (weeks)
6: Months
7: Years
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If you have a way of privately telling someone, such as the OOC verb, crystal rings, or AIM, it may be best to privately include the Earth date/time along with your IC date/time. I would avoid gwething Earth times (either directly or with a euphemism like "the Eastern clock"), because many people object to that as OOC.
The Web site that ALLISONC10 posted is perfectly accurate (as far as I have tested) so long as you use the right time zone. It requires times to be given in GMT. Right now, the site wants times that are four hours ahead of EDT. So if you wanted to find out the game time for an event that occurs at 18:00:00 (6 PM), you would input 22:00:00 (10 PM). (If the event occurs at 8 PM or later, you also need to change the date to the following day.)
Genie also has a time plugin that tells the current game time, but the accompanying date/time conversion script does not give accurate results, in my experience.
>>RUBYTU: If you use Genie, Isharon wrote a nice time conversion script. It's neato.
Thanks for the plug!
Just to be clear, my script doesn't work with absolute dates and times (such as April 18, 2010). Rather, it converts between different units of time. Want to say that something occurs in 48 real hours, but don't know what that means in Elanthian time? The time unit converter would tell you that it's two andaen.
Supported Conversion Modes
1: Earth to Elanthia
2: Elanthia to Earth
3: Elanthia to Elanthia (converts between Elanthian units)
Supported Units
Earth
1: Minutes
2: Hours
3: Days
4: Weeks
5: Months (defined as 365/12 days)
6: Years
Elanthia
1: Roisaen (minutes)
2: Hours
3: Anlaen
4: Days
5: Andaen (weeks)
6: Months
7: Years
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I know about that site in particular, mostly use it to find the DR year something occurred. I'd specifically prefer some tools to give absolute dates weeks in advance.
How would people go about saying that in a way that sounds like natural conversation?
If, for example, and event was being held on the 5th day of the 9th month at the 15th roisan of the 8th anlas...
Has anyone written a converter that accepts DR dates in a numerical format? My understanding of the boffin site is that it needs to be in the full-date format of the Time verb...
(and boy do I want to have words with whoever made hours a unit of Elanthian time)
Fortunately I never use Gweths!
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
How would people go about saying that in a way that sounds like natural conversation?
If, for example, and event was being held on the 5th day of the 9th month at the 15th roisan of the 8th anlas...
Has anyone written a converter that accepts DR dates in a numerical format? My understanding of the boffin site is that it needs to be in the full-date format of the Time verb...
(and boy do I want to have words with whoever made hours a unit of Elanthian time)
Fortunately I never use Gweths!
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
You'd do it in the same way you would in IRL conversation.
(This is an east coast time assumption)
Yeah, we're going to get together on 4/20 just after 4pm.
Yeah, we're going to get together on 8/25 at Asketi's Hunt.
We're meeting up on April 20th
We're meeting up on Skullcleaver 25th.
We need you to be there at precisely 4pm.
We need you to be there at precisely the 15th roisaen of Asketi's Hunt.
The words may be less familiar since you're not used to talking in game terms, but they function identically.
(This is an east coast time assumption)
Yeah, we're going to get together on 4/20 just after 4pm.
Yeah, we're going to get together on 8/25 at Asketi's Hunt.
We're meeting up on April 20th
We're meeting up on Skullcleaver 25th.
We need you to be there at precisely 4pm.
We need you to be there at precisely the 15th roisaen of Asketi's Hunt.
The words may be less familiar since you're not used to talking in game terms, but they function identically.
>>ROBERTDH: I'd specifically prefer some tools to give absolute dates weeks in advance.
That Web site will convert any Earth date into an Elanthian date, even if it is weeks or months in advance. However, it is a little more tedious to convert Elanthian dates into real dates, because the converter does not accept a short format like "25 Skullcleaver 397."
>>ROBERTDH: How would people go about saying that in a way that sounds like natural conversation?
In-game calendars use the following format: Chandu, 25 Skullcleaver 397. (You can omit the name of the andu without losing any necessary information.)
What ALLISONC10 said is also an acceptable way to render the date, although I would say "Skullcleaver 25," since the -th is not needed for dates written in that format. (You say "April 20th" but write "April 20.")
Most people render the time as the anlas and the roisan, but it is also IC to speak of hours a.m. and p.m.. This is how orlogs (timepieces) display the time. However, this format may confuse players, because most will think that you are talking about Earth time. Also, you need to keep in mind that there are only 15 roisaen in an Elanthian hour.
>>The orlog's round face has words and figures around the edge, from "Midnight" at the top, then the numbers 1 to 11 down the right side to "Noon" at the bottom, and 1 to 11 ascending on the left.
>>The hand on the orlog is between five and six, before the meridian.
A downside of using Elanthian time is that time-challenged players are likely to ask when that is. In such cases, it may be best to state the date in relative terms. For example, "That's almost two andu (or eight days) from now."
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That Web site will convert any Earth date into an Elanthian date, even if it is weeks or months in advance. However, it is a little more tedious to convert Elanthian dates into real dates, because the converter does not accept a short format like "25 Skullcleaver 397."
>>ROBERTDH: How would people go about saying that in a way that sounds like natural conversation?
In-game calendars use the following format: Chandu, 25 Skullcleaver 397. (You can omit the name of the andu without losing any necessary information.)
What ALLISONC10 said is also an acceptable way to render the date, although I would say "Skullcleaver 25," since the -th is not needed for dates written in that format. (You say "April 20th" but write "April 20.")
Most people render the time as the anlas and the roisan, but it is also IC to speak of hours a.m. and p.m.. This is how orlogs (timepieces) display the time. However, this format may confuse players, because most will think that you are talking about Earth time. Also, you need to keep in mind that there are only 15 roisaen in an Elanthian hour.
>>The orlog's round face has words and figures around the edge, from "Midnight" at the top, then the numbers 1 to 11 down the right side to "Noon" at the bottom, and 1 to 11 ascending on the left.
>>The hand on the orlog is between five and six, before the meridian.
A downside of using Elanthian time is that time-challenged players are likely to ask when that is. In such cases, it may be best to state the date in relative terms. For example, "That's almost two andu (or eight days) from now."
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I have often wished for some mech like the tellexp that would let me telltime to someone, only I'd love it if that could be done to a group or to someone not in the room but in game. So, if I was speaking to a group of people, I could give them the time and place ic but then use the ooc telltime to give that group the information in earth time units. Or if someone gwethed asking when some event is going to be, I could answer them without having to chose to either do something ooc on the gweth or give them the information in a form they may well not understand (I'm assuming they don't have a crystal ring on)
However, I have no idea how hard that might be to code. I'm hoping if they do code it that they will also provide a way to block it, like we have with tellexp. There are instances where I can think that you might not want to have this information scrolling across your screen.
"Sometimes you guys scare me."--Annwyl
"You people worry me."--GM Abasha
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However, I have no idea how hard that might be to code. I'm hoping if they do code it that they will also provide a way to block it, like we have with tellexp. There are instances where I can think that you might not want to have this information scrolling across your screen.
"Sometimes you guys scare me."--Annwyl
"You people worry me."--GM Abasha
"Hmm..."--Z
While semi-neat suggestion,
I'd really like people to start using;
http://www.boffinms.com/~tracker/projects/drstat/time.php
Small note you have to use, Year, Month, Day, then time in GMT
Thus: YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS; this currently it is 2010-05-02 21:30:55.
Of course by the time I enter this and load it their might be a few moments, I'd like people to try to use this all the time, it may be difficult but you could ask me through e-mail. Or some other people in the realm, just look for the time-keeper types in the realm.
-Shadow7988
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Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer.
I'd really like people to start using;
http://www.boffinms.com/~tracker/projects/drstat/time.php
Small note you have to use, Year, Month, Day, then time in GMT
Thus: YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS; this currently it is 2010-05-02 21:30:55.
Of course by the time I enter this and load it their might be a few moments, I'd like people to try to use this all the time, it may be difficult but you could ask me through e-mail. Or some other people in the realm, just look for the time-keeper types in the realm.
-Shadow7988
_____________________________________
Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer.
I love that time converter for converting past DR dates, but it's fundamentally useless for future dates until it accepts a DR date/time in an abbreviated form.
It's no good to tell someone the time in Elanthian terms if it's not readily convertible back into UTC. There are lots of options for the former, not so much for the latter part...
I've decided to just stick to whispering 'every last Sunday of the month,' and throw up my hands when I'm communicating via Familiar.
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It's no good to tell someone the time in Elanthian terms if it's not readily convertible back into UTC. There are lots of options for the former, not so much for the latter part...
I've decided to just stick to whispering 'every last Sunday of the month,' and throw up my hands when I'm communicating via Familiar.
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
<< I would like to know why ferries and barges and stuff yell out the departure time in minutes rather than the Elanthian equivalent.
It's my only justification for refusing to use the Elanthian time system when trying to explain something to someone. >>
OOC Mechanic designed to make it easier for the player, I would suppose.
-Iskhhr
"Explanations are ephemeral. They are the sword and shield of the attack, and behind them hides motivation."
It's my only justification for refusing to use the Elanthian time system when trying to explain something to someone. >>
OOC Mechanic designed to make it easier for the player, I would suppose.
-Iskhhr
"Explanations are ephemeral. They are the sword and shield of the attack, and behind them hides motivation."
I'm fairly sure it was established at some point that 'minute' was the word in common for the Gamgweth roisaen. IE they're both valid units of Elanthian time.
Then again, there's bizarre stuff like inclusion of an 'hour' which is some 15 minutes and not even a Gamgweth word...
Neither the time system nor its nomenclature appear to contain a lot of foresight.
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
Then again, there's bizarre stuff like inclusion of an 'hour' which is some 15 minutes and not even a Gamgweth word...
Neither the time system nor its nomenclature appear to contain a lot of foresight.
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
Singular roisan, plural roisaen.
>I'm fairly sure it was established at some point that 'minute' was the word in common for the Gamgweth roisaen.
Pretty much this. I still laugh when people who struggle with Elanthian time gweth that something will happen "in a few raisins" like the word "minute" would be OoC.
Really the use of "hour" to mean 30 minutes should be IC too, but that would be even more confusing than...
>Now, in High Gamgweth, "ANDU" actually means "day," but since each real life day here is really four days long for our characters, "weeks" is the common translation.
... What?
~ Kougen
You point at Sahfra, ruining her hiding place.
Roundtime: 1 sec.
>I'm fairly sure it was established at some point that 'minute' was the word in common for the Gamgweth roisaen.
Pretty much this. I still laugh when people who struggle with Elanthian time gweth that something will happen "in a few raisins" like the word "minute" would be OoC.
Really the use of "hour" to mean 30 minutes should be IC too, but that would be even more confusing than...
>Now, in High Gamgweth, "ANDU" actually means "day," but since each real life day here is really four days long for our characters, "weeks" is the common translation.
... What?
~ Kougen
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Roundtime: 1 sec.
<<This is exactly why I play a character with no firm concept of time. :-p>>
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you play a meerkat?
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>>WOODHAMR3: I would like to know why ferries and barges and stuff yell out the departure time in minutes rather than the Elanthian equivalent.
Several old systems use OOC time (for example, repair shops). Those old systems may predate Elanthian time, or the GMs might have decided that Earth time was easier to understand (even though, as Korsik said, it's not hard to translate from roisaen to minutes).
However, there is an argument that "minute" is merely the Common term for "roisan."
>>KOUGEN: Really the use of "hour" to mean 30 minutes should be IC too, but that would be even more confusing than...
"Anlas" does not seem to have any Common translation. Referring to an anlas as an hour is not only confusing but OOC, because, as you said, an hour has been defined as 15 roisaen (or half of an anlas).
>>Now, in High Gamgweth, "ANDU" actually means "day," but since each real life day here is really four days long for our characters, "weeks" is the common translation.
There is no good IC explanation for why the Gamgweth word for week is "day." It may be that the GM wanted to reinforce the connection between IC and OOC time, but unfortunately, that just made the system more confusing. ICly, I just describe it as a mistranslation and leave it at that.
>>ROBERTDH: Neither the time system nor its nomenclature appear to contain a lot of foresight.
Agreed. Personally, I try to avoid using ambiguous duplicate terms whenever practical, because people will not always understand that I'm not referring to Earth time. "Hours" are a good example: Do I mean 15 minutes (IC definition), 30 minutes (anlas), or 60 minutes (Earth time)?
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Several old systems use OOC time (for example, repair shops). Those old systems may predate Elanthian time, or the GMs might have decided that Earth time was easier to understand (even though, as Korsik said, it's not hard to translate from roisaen to minutes).
However, there is an argument that "minute" is merely the Common term for "roisan."
>>KOUGEN: Really the use of "hour" to mean 30 minutes should be IC too, but that would be even more confusing than...
"Anlas" does not seem to have any Common translation. Referring to an anlas as an hour is not only confusing but OOC, because, as you said, an hour has been defined as 15 roisaen (or half of an anlas).
>>Now, in High Gamgweth, "ANDU" actually means "day," but since each real life day here is really four days long for our characters, "weeks" is the common translation.
There is no good IC explanation for why the Gamgweth word for week is "day." It may be that the GM wanted to reinforce the connection between IC and OOC time, but unfortunately, that just made the system more confusing. ICly, I just describe it as a mistranslation and leave it at that.
>>ROBERTDH: Neither the time system nor its nomenclature appear to contain a lot of foresight.
Agreed. Personally, I try to avoid using ambiguous duplicate terms whenever practical, because people will not always understand that I'm not referring to Earth time. "Hours" are a good example: Do I mean 15 minutes (IC definition), 30 minutes (anlas), or 60 minutes (Earth time)?
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<<owever, there is an argument that "minute" is merely the Common term for "roisan.">>
Right, and if everything was 30 minutes or less, that would be fine. However, explaining to someone that something is going to take place in 2rl hours is a little more difficult since the majority of players don't know how to convert time more than 30 minutes long- or, it gets confusing when you start saying it's in two days meaning Elanthian days, rl days, or did you mean 8 anlaen or was it in the month of the Crystal Ice Dog, or... what?
If you need a website to turn rl time into Elanthian time, that's a pretty good sign that it's a little too complicated. I understand it's a part of the game world and that's fine, but it's much easier just to ooc whisper to someone when something is taking place.
-Mr. Glemm
Right, and if everything was 30 minutes or less, that would be fine. However, explaining to someone that something is going to take place in 2rl hours is a little more difficult since the majority of players don't know how to convert time more than 30 minutes long- or, it gets confusing when you start saying it's in two days meaning Elanthian days, rl days, or did you mean 8 anlaen or was it in the month of the Crystal Ice Dog, or... what?
If you need a website to turn rl time into Elanthian time, that's a pretty good sign that it's a little too complicated. I understand it's a part of the game world and that's fine, but it's much easier just to ooc whisper to someone when something is taking place.
-Mr. Glemm
>[01:09] Lionella thinks: I will allow a few minutes to spare as I was late, I said 11 am elven time, and planned to be here early. so it will start at 1130 elven time
Just don't be like this on the gweths. It's especially jarring when you're not even on "elven" time to begin with (see stamp).
Just don't be like this on the gweths. It's especially jarring when you're not even on "elven" time to begin with (see stamp).
>>WOODHAMR3: If you need a website to turn rl time into Elanthian time, that's a pretty good sign that it's a little too complicated. I understand it's a part of the game world and that's fine, but it's much easier just to ooc whisper to someone when something is taking place.
I agree with you. Between the different base units and the duplicate terms, it can be difficult to understand what people mean when they talk about time. You have to know whether they are being IC (when they use ambiguous units like "days") and whether their use of the time system is accurate.
Unfortunately, there is no way to send an OOC time translation if the person is not in your room and not wearing a crystal ring without resorting to being OOC on the gweth or using AIM.
A nice feature (not sure how difficult it would be to code) would be a way to specify the OOC time in a form and have it give the equivalent IC time (with an accompanying OOC translation that people can click to see).
>>WOODHAMR3: I was always annoyed by that. What are the codes for Central, Mountain, and Pacific?
Central: Cleric
Mountain: Merelew
Pacific: Prydaen
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I agree with you. Between the different base units and the duplicate terms, it can be difficult to understand what people mean when they talk about time. You have to know whether they are being IC (when they use ambiguous units like "days") and whether their use of the time system is accurate.
Unfortunately, there is no way to send an OOC time translation if the person is not in your room and not wearing a crystal ring without resorting to being OOC on the gweth or using AIM.
A nice feature (not sure how difficult it would be to code) would be a way to specify the OOC time in a form and have it give the equivalent IC time (with an accompanying OOC translation that people can click to see).
>>WOODHAMR3: I was always annoyed by that. What are the codes for Central, Mountain, and Pacific?
Central: Cleric
Mountain: Merelew
Pacific: Prydaen
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>I was always annoyed by that. What are the codes for Central, Mountain, and Pacific?
At some point I learned that if I told someone the time in anything other than EST or UTC, people began to ask me to know the time zone of whichever part of the planet they lived on and do their conversion for them, and soon I was making event postings with six time codes.
That way lies madness even in plain OOC.
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
At some point I learned that if I told someone the time in anything other than EST or UTC, people began to ask me to know the time zone of whichever part of the planet they lived on and do their conversion for them, and soon I was making event postings with six time codes.
That way lies madness even in plain OOC.
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
On occasion, characters of mine have checked teir hour glass to see what time it is then realized they had of course totally messed it up by putting it in their backpack, then they've checked the sky and made a guess, after which I've whispered the information, if possible. I like the time verb because then I can use that information ic. But no one seems to consistently understand the gamgweth terms for time. So, I try to avoid them. The term 'moment' is nice. I'm pretty sure that my characters don't have a really firm handle on how time works or is measured except in the broadest terms, other than the moon mages. Did the town crier in Shard ever give the right time? Life is easier if you measure time by how long the shadow is across the quad.
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"You people worry me."--GM Abasha
"Hmm..."--Z
"Sometimes you guys scare me."--Annwyl
"You people worry me."--GM Abasha
"Hmm..."--Z
It looks like the author of the time conversion website has done some updates:
http://boffinms.com/~tracker/projects/drstat/time.php
Specifically the parts about converting to/from DR shorthand, "25 Skullcleaver 399"
They also have some kind of survey up at http://boffinms.com/~tracker/projects/drstat/
http://boffinms.com/~tracker/projects/drstat/time.php
Specifically the parts about converting to/from DR shorthand, "25 Skullcleaver 399"
They also have some kind of survey up at http://boffinms.com/~tracker/projects/drstat/
This entire thread is exactly why I've given up on any attempt to use time in an IC manner. It is just way too convoluted.
Although my biggest roleplayer pet peeve lately is still people who speak their entire sentence in common and then throw roisan in there. Why would you throw one Gamgweth word in with all your common? That's just weird.
Although my biggest roleplayer pet peeve lately is still people who speak their entire sentence in common and then throw roisan in there. Why would you throw one Gamgweth word in with all your common? That's just weird.
<<Why would you throw one Gamgweth word in with all your common? That's just weird. >>
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And anlas isn't?
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...don't raise my threads from the dead to spout nonsense.
Code-switching is a common phenomenon in bilingual societies. People do that all the time.
...while I'm here, could the game maybe tell us which Anlas in sucession a particular anlas is?
I may be certain it's just past the Anlas of Phelim's Vigil, but heck if I remember which anlas that is.
Something like '(the 2nd Anlas of the night)' might be nice, similar to how the months are presented with both a name and a number.
Then again it'd also be nice if the game knew what day of the month it was.
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
...don't raise my threads from the dead to spout nonsense.
Code-switching is a common phenomenon in bilingual societies. People do that all the time.
...while I'm here, could the game maybe tell us which Anlas in sucession a particular anlas is?
I may be certain it's just past the Anlas of Phelim's Vigil, but heck if I remember which anlas that is.
Something like '(the 2nd Anlas of the night)' might be nice, similar to how the months are presented with both a name and a number.
Then again it'd also be nice if the game knew what day of the month it was.
"Magic has rules and so does posting on these forums." -Annwyl
*<<"I'll be right back. I have to use the restroom for a mhnyta."
You don't talk to many old Jewish ladies much, do ya? ::grin::
bah, you must be talking to a litvak, not a galizianer.
<jewish grandma in real life from a family of yekkes>
:-)
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
You don't talk to many old Jewish ladies much, do ya? ::grin::
bah, you must be talking to a litvak, not a galizianer.
<jewish grandma in real life from a family of yekkes>
:-)
You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath
To get off the Jewish tangent...
When you work/speak/read in/with another language frequently enough, your internal monologue (what? You don't have a monologue? Shouldn't have skimped on French Stewart when Patrick Stewart was available) switches languages.
Amongst linguists and polyglots conversations can run the span of several languages over a few minutes. It should be pointed out, however, that this is not normal behavior. "Word-borrowing" frequently triggers the subconscious shift, which can be troublesome to non-native speakers and native speakers alike. Something of which I am reminded of by the stares of confusion garnered when I hit one of those hiccups.
Intriguingly, this seems to affect Korean and English speakers the least. Plausibly, this is because these languages are both extensive borrowing languages. They are also, perhaps not coincidentally, the two hardest languages on the planet to learn (as a non-native speaker).
When you work/speak/read in/with another language frequently enough, your internal monologue (what? You don't have a monologue? Shouldn't have skimped on French Stewart when Patrick Stewart was available) switches languages.
Amongst linguists and polyglots conversations can run the span of several languages over a few minutes. It should be pointed out, however, that this is not normal behavior. "Word-borrowing" frequently triggers the subconscious shift, which can be troublesome to non-native speakers and native speakers alike. Something of which I am reminded of by the stares of confusion garnered when I hit one of those hiccups.
Intriguingly, this seems to affect Korean and English speakers the least. Plausibly, this is because these languages are both extensive borrowing languages. They are also, perhaps not coincidentally, the two hardest languages on the planet to learn (as a non-native speaker).
