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This is crazy. Pawn shops are broken. We are told they won't be fixed till DR2. Atleast could you reset the prices once in a while to let us earn enough coin to pay for our Required Skill. My fines base out at 4 plat. Only a few items left in Crossing that can be pawned. I shouldn't have to go to some desolate place when Crossing's population is huge and things should be cycled quickly back into the economy.
If you're complaining because what you steal doesnt pay your fines...then well, I'd hate to be the one to say it, Don't steal where you will be so easily caught, try not to, use your cookies (if you don't have cookies, you likely don't need stealing to circle, and then your point is moot), and steal small and easy items, in moderation, don't steal more than once from same shop in short time...cycle, Talismans (small) are a decent steal at low ranks, same with envelopes, chizili (last I checked) had some of the best preception in crossing....Be careful when you practice your trade and you won't need to pay fines
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>>If you're complaining because what you steal doesnt pay your fines...<<
That's part of it, I'm sure. But I think he's complaining because we can steal an item that sells for 2-4 gold in a shop, and either pawn it for 3 bronze, or the pawnbroker won't even buy it.
Even stealing from a few merchants (not regular shops!) yields items that do not pawn. We can't have dropped the value on an item that has just come into existence.
Tam
-You've gained a new rank in your ability to steal.
-There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
That's part of it, I'm sure. But I think he's complaining because we can steal an item that sells for 2-4 gold in a shop, and either pawn it for 3 bronze, or the pawnbroker won't even buy it.
Even stealing from a few merchants (not regular shops!) yields items that do not pawn. We can't have dropped the value on an item that has just come into existence.
Tam
-You've gained a new rank in your ability to steal.
-There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
I love people who are clueless giving advice. Ask any decent Thief how well he does pawning most items and he/she will tell you we get crap. Steal an item that sells for 5 or 6 gold and yer lucky to get a silver or two. Equity is working on pawnshops but until they are fixed I don't see the problem with resetting pawnshops occasionally so we have an easier time training a REQUIRED skill.
>I love people who are clueless giving advice. Ask any decent Thief how well he does pawning most items and he/she will tell you we get crap.
Good idea, let's ask some decent Thieves how crappy they do pawning most items. Well Soim just posted the other day that he can make 12-15 plat an hour from shoplifting and pawning the stuff. I agree, that's crap. And we're the clueless ones.
I wish I had such a crappy way to make so little money.
Apu
ps I know there are many problems with the shoplifting/pawnshop system with expensive items that just don't pawn - but if you're claiming that you can't make more money from pawning what you steal than you pay in fines, then either a) you are still new, just keep training and it'll get better, or b) you just have no idea what you're doing, get a clue and it'll get better.
Good idea, let's ask some decent Thieves how crappy they do pawning most items. Well Soim just posted the other day that he can make 12-15 plat an hour from shoplifting and pawning the stuff. I agree, that's crap. And we're the clueless ones.
I wish I had such a crappy way to make so little money.
Apu
ps I know there are many problems with the shoplifting/pawnshop system with expensive items that just don't pawn - but if you're claiming that you can't make more money from pawning what you steal than you pay in fines, then either a) you are still new, just keep training and it'll get better, or b) you just have no idea what you're doing, get a clue and it'll get better.
Were talking the 12 to 15 plat per hour range. Soim
A few know, Greg, Mat, Nishu, Kapi, ETC. It takes alot more than 200 steal though. Soim
12-15 an hour is slow going too =) Greg
Tam, doing 10+ plat an hour in Shard
More than 200 stealing and they are producing about 10 times more than a trader would with contracts with over 300 in trading.
Maybe not a completely valid comparison (they can get arrested and so forth), but how come there is no avenue for traders to make this type of profit through in game mechanics?
Commoditys would be a very good way to do this, but they are indeed crappy. Through contracts, I have become rich (not mind boggling rich) on them but with a lot more in Trading than 200 ranks, yet I am not producing better results than thieves, pawning items, with contracts.
Another slap in the face for traders (How about all that coin that just went to Ceisro for auctioned goods? Maybe it is me but that should be us having the chance to profit from this, not an NPC). So it goes.
Gidske
A few know, Greg, Mat, Nishu, Kapi, ETC. It takes alot more than 200 steal though. Soim
12-15 an hour is slow going too =) Greg
Tam, doing 10+ plat an hour in Shard
More than 200 stealing and they are producing about 10 times more than a trader would with contracts with over 300 in trading.
Maybe not a completely valid comparison (they can get arrested and so forth), but how come there is no avenue for traders to make this type of profit through in game mechanics?
Commoditys would be a very good way to do this, but they are indeed crappy. Through contracts, I have become rich (not mind boggling rich) on them but with a lot more in Trading than 200 ranks, yet I am not producing better results than thieves, pawning items, with contracts.
Another slap in the face for traders (How about all that coin that just went to Ceisro for auctioned goods? Maybe it is me but that should be us having the chance to profit from this, not an NPC). So it goes.
Gidske
>>More than 200 stealing <<
Stealing: 370 31.51% muddled
At 200, my average run was half of what it is now.
Those numbers are also on par what a decent hunter can make in a quick generating, decent paying area like Adan'f, or what a Ranger can make from a critter with good skins.
Tam
-You've gained a new rank in your ability to steal.
-There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Stealing: 370 31.51% muddled
At 200, my average run was half of what it is now.
Those numbers are also on par what a decent hunter can make in a quick generating, decent paying area like Adan'f, or what a Ranger can make from a critter with good skins.
Tam
-You've gained a new rank in your ability to steal.
-There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>More than 200 stealing and they are producing about 10 times more than a trader would with contracts with over 300 in trading.
Couple things about that though - stealing is obviously harder to get than trading is (maybe equating 200 stealing with 350 or 400 trading would be more like it) - and those Thieves probably actually have well over 300 stealing. It's still alot of money though, I can't make that much with 750 trading.
>Those numbers are also on par what a decent hunter can make in a quick generating, decent paying area like Adan'f, or what a Ranger can make from a critter with good skins.
Too true. But at least Traders can make more money on average than Empaths!
Apu
Couple things about that though - stealing is obviously harder to get than trading is (maybe equating 200 stealing with 350 or 400 trading would be more like it) - and those Thieves probably actually have well over 300 stealing. It's still alot of money though, I can't make that much with 750 trading.
>Those numbers are also on par what a decent hunter can make in a quick generating, decent paying area like Adan'f, or what a Ranger can make from a critter with good skins.
Too true. But at least Traders can make more money on average than Empaths!
Apu
Just a little advice, unless you're low level thief, you really shouldn't be er...recycling goods from
Crossing. Not only does the pawnshop get overloaded faster from too many people working it, but the prices in Crossing are much lower which means you're not getting much for it. Ya'll need to spread out more.
If money is the root of all evil, what does that make me? - Equity
Crossing. Not only does the pawnshop get overloaded faster from too many people working it, but the prices in Crossing are much lower which means you're not getting much for it. Ya'll need to spread out more.
If money is the root of all evil, what does that make me? - Equity
<<You all need to spread out more>>
If you build it, they will come.
I love to steal in Muspar'I. Is there a pawn shop there? no. And other have driven the prices down in Theren. So I have to go further, and further with Muspar'Ian goods.
I used to steal quite a bit on Aesry. The prices there have been driven down below acceptible to "i have no use for that--Ishh"
There IS no place to shoplift on Hara or Merkesh, other than the origami shop.
Riverhaven shoplifting stuff the pawners don't buy much.
As for that, there were some Merchant items--brand new--that were shoplifted by the pier. Nobody had driven the price down, they were brand new. Yet the crossing pawners wouldn't buy em. <Ask Gregarin>.
So again, we should have someplace accessible only by Traders <they are the Fence/PawnBroker folks after all> and Thieves to sell our ill-gotten gains. Someplace that will buy stuff with a certain "floor" price even if theres a bunch of them sold. Like small diopsides and rat pelts. It goes to the playability factor.
Schvartz
Bags
~stabbity,whiff,thud~
If you build it, they will come.
I love to steal in Muspar'I. Is there a pawn shop there? no. And other have driven the prices down in Theren. So I have to go further, and further with Muspar'Ian goods.
I used to steal quite a bit on Aesry. The prices there have been driven down below acceptible to "i have no use for that--Ishh"
There IS no place to shoplift on Hara or Merkesh, other than the origami shop.
Riverhaven shoplifting stuff the pawners don't buy much.
As for that, there were some Merchant items--brand new--that were shoplifted by the pier. Nobody had driven the price down, they were brand new. Yet the crossing pawners wouldn't buy em. <Ask Gregarin>.
So again, we should have someplace accessible only by Traders <they are the Fence/PawnBroker folks after all> and Thieves to sell our ill-gotten gains. Someplace that will buy stuff with a certain "floor" price even if theres a bunch of them sold. Like small diopsides and rat pelts. It goes to the playability factor.
Schvartz
Bags
~stabbity,whiff,thud~
>>Too true. But at least Traders can make more money on average than Empaths!<<
But I'm already tipping 'em 3-5 gold for a "normal" scuffs and bruises healing. You mean I gotta tip them more?!?
>>Ya'll need to spread out more.<<
You mean I don't amount to the equivalent of 10 Thieves in Shard? I gotta work harder AND tip Empaths more? You guys are killing me!
>>I love to steal in Muspar'I. Is there a pawn shop there? no.<<
Anyone want to bet under the current system that Muspar'i's prices would drop faster than Crossing if someone was to open one there? I think I've managed to pull enough disparate bits of info around that specific items aren't the way the pawn shops track their goods. There's more stealing going on in Muspar'i currently than there is in Shard and Aesry combined. Crossing I would say as well. I could be wrong.
I still haven't figured out why the only stuff that actually drops quickly in Shard is stuff from the shop in the Light Temple, though.
Tam
-You've gained a new rank in your ability to steal.
-There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
But I'm already tipping 'em 3-5 gold for a "normal" scuffs and bruises healing. You mean I gotta tip them more?!?
>>Ya'll need to spread out more.<<
You mean I don't amount to the equivalent of 10 Thieves in Shard? I gotta work harder AND tip Empaths more? You guys are killing me!
>>I love to steal in Muspar'I. Is there a pawn shop there? no.<<
Anyone want to bet under the current system that Muspar'i's prices would drop faster than Crossing if someone was to open one there? I think I've managed to pull enough disparate bits of info around that specific items aren't the way the pawn shops track their goods. There's more stealing going on in Muspar'i currently than there is in Shard and Aesry combined. Crossing I would say as well. I could be wrong.
I still haven't figured out why the only stuff that actually drops quickly in Shard is stuff from the shop in the Light Temple, though.
Tam
-You've gained a new rank in your ability to steal.
-There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
