I was looking at elanthipedia and noticed, do warrior mages only have one renown scroll?

It'd be nice if we could have a few more? Maybe one for tm, one for total weapon ranks, et cetera?



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<<Why we were just having a forum chat about that... last year. Okay, so not 'just having.'

thank you! I forgot about that conversation.


taken From Powerhaus's post and modified for what, I'd like:


highest targeted magic - (Shard)
highest Circle (Crossing)
highest overall weapons - (Haven)
highest overall survival -(Forfeblahblah)
highest overall lore - (Muspar'i)
highest overall armor - (citadel)
highest summoning - (Ratha)
highest sorcery - (Mer'kresh)



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I kinda like your list too.

the only one I don't like (and this is a personal bias) is top two crafting. We're Warrior Mages and I think all our lists should be focused around effective butt kicking or avoiding getting our butts kicked. Leave the scholarship and crafting to the stay-at-home mages in the other tower. ;)

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Or maybe how intellectual the mage is? How about average of Wisdom, Intelligence, Discipline, Charisma?

<<Since the official guild policy is that sorcerers are quietly executed, it'd be kind of weird to have a sorcery register.

Sorcerer != sorcery skill.

I highly doubt the guild is going to execute anyone for being proficient in casting Clear Vision.

Now if they started spouting fountains of blackfire at everything in range then that would likely get the executioner's attention.

<<We make that distinction. the general population does not. He has a point.

No, depending on what you meant by 'we,' this is not an OOC-only distinction nor is it a distinction only the warrior mage guild does or does not make. There is a very clear IC difference for the general population between casting a spell from another guild's spell book (sorcery) and casting a spell that either utilizes multiple mana types simultaneously or is designed to (Sorcery.) The former doesn't cause a single batted eyelash. The latter has everyone and his dog running to call the guards on you for forbidden practices. They both happen to be governed by the same OOC skill.

The reason why Sorcery is outlawed by the Warrior Mage guild is because of its history with Blackfire, which falls into the second category and thus is a subset of the whole 'capital S sorcery is bad' thing.

<<I'm reasonably certain Warrior Mages are some of the most aware of the distinction between little-s and big-S sorcery, but also the most likely to see little-s sorcery as a slippery and inevitable slope.

This is doubtful to me because of the functional differences between one and the other. Also, the guild certainly lets you circle with it so why should their conservative senses be offended by having a list of those most proficient in casting other spells.

<<Can we not have sorcery de-rail this thread. Again. thanks.

In a thread about which renown scrolls the guild should have there is a discussion about whether sorcery skill should be included on a renown scroll or not. I see no derail, since this is perfectly on topic.

<<One again, I'm asking that sorcery and warrior mages be argued elsewhere. Lets just stick to ideas for renown scrolls. Please.

So we're not allowed to debate the merits of those suggestions then? Very well then, Mr. Moderator, Sir.

I went and looked at this other thread to see this epic derailing... only to find a small handful of posts describing the differences between the different applications of sorcery.

I think the reason why that thread didn't go anywhere has a lot more to do with apathy with the subject matter than any sort of thread derailing.

FWIW, I'm personlly fine with sorcery skill being included on a register, whether individually or as part of a package of skills. Mer'Kresh seems the most likely guild hall to have such a register placed because of its more progressive guild leader, or possibly Chyolvea Tayeu'a because of the nature of the guild hall.

Yeah the guild doesn't recognize the skill. Registers have allways been clothed in official sanction, so putting a skill the guild doesn't acknowledge seems weird.

How its presented is probably everything... its just incongruous with the guild lore.

So does anyone have any non sorcery comments on the list or should we send it in?

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>Forgive my snark, but welcome to the life of a warrior mage.

I've thought warrior mages having lackluster renown scrolls was strange for a long time. All the other guilds aside from the hidden ones have scrolls that show things other than circle. It's almost like they just forgot about us.