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>Was wondering if we could have the flail command do AOE dmg to a room.
This sounds hilarious, but I find it hard to associate flailing with anything but total incompetance.
Consequently I request such a feature be a completely random chance to attack everyone present.
>Forgive my snark, but welcome to the life of a warrior mage.
This sounds hilarious, but I find it hard to associate flailing with anything but total incompetance.
Consequently I request such a feature be a completely random chance to attack everyone present.
>Forgive my snark, but welcome to the life of a warrior mage.
love to see facepalm, highfive and flail additions to BG. Also maybe spank.
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Naohhi raises her hand to you, waiting for a highfive!
You extend your hand and slap it to hers with a sharp crack, forgetting you have the Blufmor Garaen spell upon you! The currents of air surrounding your forearms shriek with the jerking hand movement, and Naohhi's hand flies skyward, detached from her wrist in a spectacular arterial fountain.
- Starlear, Warrior Mage and Lieutenant of Ilithi's Crystal Vanguard -
You extend your hand and slap it to hers with a sharp crack, forgetting you have the Blufmor Garaen spell upon you! The currents of air surrounding your forearms shriek with the jerking hand movement, and Naohhi's hand flies skyward, detached from her wrist in a spectacular arterial fountain.
- Starlear, Warrior Mage and Lieutenant of Ilithi's Crystal Vanguard -
Howdy folks,
I've rolled in some changes to BG to get it more in line with TM spell balance.
Instead of using single strike mechanics, it uses multi-strike mechanics, but still only does one strike per attack. I've also increased the number of charges from 2-6 to 3-7. Finally, I've removed the RT for the attack actions unless you are firing them off quickly.
ASGM Ricinus
Core, Logistics, Survival
Cleric Advocate
I've rolled in some changes to BG to get it more in line with TM spell balance.
Instead of using single strike mechanics, it uses multi-strike mechanics, but still only does one strike per attack. I've also increased the number of charges from 2-6 to 3-7. Finally, I've removed the RT for the attack actions unless you are firing them off quickly.
ASGM Ricinus
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Cleric Advocate
Definitely a nerf but I don't think the new version is bad. Seven strikes stacks up a lot of damage and it still recasts in 8 seconds so I think there's no reason you wouldn't want new BG in your arsenal eventually. Having no RT most of the time is kind of nice if you want to mix BG in with other actions rather than mag-dumping the strikes over and over (you'll probably still want to do this, though. Even spamming I think the max RT you're likely to get for 7 strikes is 2 seconds). As nerfs go it could have been worse.
Hopefully Javic's new thing and the Hylomorphic sorceries will be really cool.
Mazrian
Hopefully Javic's new thing and the Hylomorphic sorceries will be really cool.
Mazrian
I think the strikes change might be more beneficial for people on the really low end or the high end of being able to cast. Still getting numbers but I guess I'd be more mid range of being able to cast and I'm still finding myself with the same number of strikes most of the time at what I can currently cap.
Also I wonder how much the no RT will really affect most people. I know when I've been pumping out BG it's been in the middle of preparing/targeting another spell that I started immediately before so the impact of the RT then was negligible. Kinda wondering if that was the typical experience.
Also I wonder how much the no RT will really affect most people. I know when I've been pumping out BG it's been in the middle of preparing/targeting another spell that I started immediately before so the impact of the RT then was negligible. Kinda wondering if that was the typical experience.
According to elanthipedia, which was based on DISCERN at the time of 3.1 release, it was always a targeted spell only and not a targeted/utility hybrid. I'm surprised to hear it taught utility.
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It def taught Utility when cast and then TM when attacking during 3.0. I didn't realize it stopped with 3.1 that makes Galstones ragggggge. I didn't have it since our preview ended just picked it up again today. Any GM comment on why that got taken out? Would be helpful as a higher level Utility trainer for WMs.
In this TENTATIVE list which was the case before 3.1 apparently
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Post:Tentative_Magic_3.0_Spell_List_-_9/19/2010_-_12:12:52
Blufmor Garaen: An esoteric Air Utility / Targeted spell. Stores multiple delayed strikes for use at the caster's discretion, which also can have variable damage types.
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
In this TENTATIVE list which was the case before 3.1 apparently
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Post:Tentative_Magic_3.0_Spell_List_-_9/19/2010_-_12:12:52
Blufmor Garaen: An esoteric Air Utility / Targeted spell. Stores multiple delayed strikes for use at the caster's discretion, which also can have variable damage types.
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
I don't see any reason within lore or mechanics that BG would teach utility.
It looks like a fairly clear cut case of TM.
Now if you could use it to chill your beer or something...
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
It looks like a fairly clear cut case of TM.
Now if you could use it to chill your beer or something...
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
DB and BG taught utility on cast, TM on attack back when 3.0 conversion happened and for a while. One of the higher WM in plat used BG as his goto for Utility training in combat, my WM at the time was too low to use the spell well enough to make it worthwhile.
>I don't see any reason within lore or mechanics that BG would teach utility.
I guess maybe BG and DB did because the Utility was the shaping/placement of the air currents/halo of fire. Much like MAB "Your ability to create this device will be based on your skill with utility magics, though all attacks by the Magnetic Ballista are derived from your skill at targetting magic."
I was just curious why it did before and then was taken out really. Would be a nice little bonus on the spell to have back.
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
>I don't see any reason within lore or mechanics that BG would teach utility.
I guess maybe BG and DB did because the Utility was the shaping/placement of the air currents/halo of fire. Much like MAB "Your ability to create this device will be based on your skill with utility magics, though all attacks by the Magnetic Ballista are derived from your skill at targetting magic."
I was just curious why it did before and then was taken out really. Would be a nice little bonus on the spell to have back.
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
Double post my bad. But here's 2013 thread that highlights when DB and BG taught Utility and TM
http://www.tinyheroes.com/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Warrior%20Mages/Magic%20Talk%20-%20Current%20Warrior%20Mage%20Magic/thread/1531114
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
http://www.tinyheroes.com/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Warrior%20Mages/Magic%20Talk%20-%20Current%20Warrior%20Mage%20Magic/thread/1531114
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
DB and BG both taught Utility on the cast in the bold 3.0 world. I'm thinking that's because probably something should be taught at the cast, and it's not really contesting anything, it's just powering it up/determining how many strikes you get, so Utility was the natural choice (which was then used for how MaB works later). So now for some reason the cast itself teaches nothing, and only the strikes teach (TM)?
I missed this change since I've been focusing on my Empath (the last year and a half heh), but I'm not sure what I'll be using to train utility other than AB, and I'll have to rewrite my BG script (used BG expressly to teach utility once upon a time). I'm sadface finding this out.
A shadowy black death spirit says, "Give us the annoying one, and the rest of you shall live."
* Mudge was just struck down!
The cackling continues. "The Darkness is pleased with your sacrifice."
I missed this change since I've been focusing on my Empath (the last year and a half heh), but I'm not sure what I'll be using to train utility other than AB, and I'll have to rewrite my BG script (used BG expressly to teach utility once upon a time). I'm sadface finding this out.
A shadowy black death spirit says, "Give us the annoying one, and the rest of you shall live."
* Mudge was just struck down!
The cackling continues. "The Darkness is pleased with your sacrifice."
Also citing this as reason BG would use Utility to generate number of strikes.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Utility_skill
Utility is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to perform miscellaneous magical tasks that don't fit neatly into the other four spell skills.
What skill is it using now to say you get X amount of casts? TM or PM or combination of both?
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Utility_skill
Utility is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to perform miscellaneous magical tasks that don't fit neatly into the other four spell skills.
What skill is it using now to say you get X amount of casts? TM or PM or combination of both?
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
>What skill is it using now to say you get X amount of casts? TM or PM or combination of both?
Spells do not contest skills except TM, their effects depend entirely on mana. Said the other way: Primary Magic, Warding, Utility, Augmentation, and Debilitation do nothing except raise your personal mana cap.
>Forgive my snark, but welcome to the life of a warrior mage.
Spells do not contest skills except TM, their effects depend entirely on mana. Said the other way: Primary Magic, Warding, Utility, Augmentation, and Debilitation do nothing except raise your personal mana cap.
>Forgive my snark, but welcome to the life of a warrior mage.
>>What skill is it using now to say you get X amount of casts? TM or PM or combination of both?
PM and Utility. As to why it stopped teaching Utility during the cast if it ever did, I'm not aware of any intentional change. Certainly the changes I made yesterday would have had no impact on that function.
ASGM Ricinus
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Cleric Advocate
PM and Utility. As to why it stopped teaching Utility during the cast if it ever did, I'm not aware of any intentional change. Certainly the changes I made yesterday would have had no impact on that function.
ASGM Ricinus
Core, Logistics, Survival
Cleric Advocate
>PM and Utility. As to why it stopped teaching Utility during the cast if it ever did, I'm not aware of any intentional change. Certainly the changes I made yesterday would have had no impact on that function.
That something we can get back? Might be since Plat had 3.0 so much longer that we actually noticed. Fills a nice little spot for Utility training for us if the Skill Range (min/max): 250 / 1000 on Elanthipedia is still accurate.
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
That something we can get back? Might be since Plat had 3.0 so much longer that we actually noticed. Fills a nice little spot for Utility training for us if the Skill Range (min/max): 250 / 1000 on Elanthipedia is still accurate.
[20:11] Chatter[Arathael] Usually only get skill when it's successful.
[20:13] Chatter[Morpion] Thats why Arathael has 0.00 ranks in Getting Girls
[20:14] Chatter[Arathael] =(
>>That something we can get back?
Testing it out, the spell currently teaches Utility when cast already. So, yeah.
Also- I just changed BG to be 2 slots instead of 3. If you have the spell already, you'll get your refund any time your spell slots are recalculated, SPELL will do it.
ASGM Ricinus
Core, Logistics, Survival
Cleric Advocate
Testing it out, the spell currently teaches Utility when cast already. So, yeah.
Also- I just changed BG to be 2 slots instead of 3. If you have the spell already, you'll get your refund any time your spell slots are recalculated, SPELL will do it.
ASGM Ricinus
Core, Logistics, Survival
Cleric Advocate
Anything that is a preparatory or altering magical action not utilizing an outside focii or object that provides experience should teach utility.
Examples include:
BG/DB Cast
Shaping/adjusting MaB
Upcoming summoning ability release (shaping etc)
Any magical action that engages an object or focii where the end result is applied to the object or focii that provides experience should teach utility.
Examples include:
Ignite
Copycat ignite spells for different damage types.
binding enchantment activation(possibly a small amount + arcana)
Any global spell or ability that impacts the room passively should teach utility
Examples include:
EtF
Zephyr
Pathway Summon Element (small utility + summoning)
The caveat to any of these would be an activation or ability (but not spells) that have no built in cooldown or lengthy roundtime associated with them.
"Game balance is sobbing over in the corner as it considers the ramifications of AoE Blufmor Garaen. Your spell slots send their condolences." - GM Raesh
Examples include:
BG/DB Cast
Shaping/adjusting MaB
Upcoming summoning ability release (shaping etc)
Any magical action that engages an object or focii where the end result is applied to the object or focii that provides experience should teach utility.
Examples include:
Ignite
Copycat ignite spells for different damage types.
binding enchantment activation(possibly a small amount + arcana)
Any global spell or ability that impacts the room passively should teach utility
Examples include:
EtF
Zephyr
Pathway Summon Element (small utility + summoning)
The caveat to any of these would be an activation or ability (but not spells) that have no built in cooldown or lengthy roundtime associated with them.
"Game balance is sobbing over in the corner as it considers the ramifications of AoE Blufmor Garaen. Your spell slots send their condolences." - GM Raesh
<<Testing it out, the spell currently teaches Utility when cast already. So, yeah.
This means then that you have to cast the spell at or near your personal spell cap to train Utility, which is probably what you are not doing then. E.g Rend is a hybrid utility/debilitation spell. When I spam it at min prep +1 at challenging targets in combat it teaches debilitation only and when I cast it on myself at cap outside of combat it teaches utility only, but if I cast it at cap at a challenging creature in combat then it teaches both.
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This means then that you have to cast the spell at or near your personal spell cap to train Utility, which is probably what you are not doing then. E.g Rend is a hybrid utility/debilitation spell. When I spam it at min prep +1 at challenging targets in combat it teaches debilitation only and when I cast it on myself at cap outside of combat it teaches utility only, but if I cast it at cap at a challenging creature in combat then it teaches both.
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Hey Absolon. I added the skill range for Magnetic Ballista on Elanthipedia, but in the table for WM Spells, it still shows up as 0-0. How do you add it to the table?
To whomever asked, yes BG still is from 250-1000.
Dragon's breath needs some love. Can you guys change it back to setting the target on fire? As it is now, it's crap.
To whomever asked, yes BG still is from 250-1000.
Dragon's breath needs some love. Can you guys change it back to setting the target on fire? As it is now, it's crap.
<<Hey Absolon. I added the skill range for Magnetic Ballista on Elanthipedia, but in the table for WM Spells, it still shows up as 0-0. How do you add it to the table?
The tables are just a snap-shot of what the spells looked like when the table is built. Just edit the page and save it without making any edits. This forces the table to re-build.
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The tables are just a snap-shot of what the spells looked like when the table is built. Just edit the page and save it without making any edits. This forces the table to re-build.
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<<So has it been nerfed without an announcement? At the moment 1100 light thrown is doing more damage than 1600 tm.
<<I've rolled in some changes to BG to get it more in line with TM spell balance.
<<Instead of using single strike mechanics, it uses multi*-*strike mechanics, but still only does one strike per attack. I've also increased the number of charges from 2-6 to 3-7. Finally, I've removed the RT for the attack actions unless you are firing them off quickly.
<<Gotta love that balance.
It's unfortunate you aren't more of an exemplar of moderation.
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<<I've rolled in some changes to BG to get it more in line with TM spell balance.
<<Instead of using single strike mechanics, it uses multi*-*strike mechanics, but still only does one strike per attack. I've also increased the number of charges from 2-6 to 3-7. Finally, I've removed the RT for the attack actions unless you are firing them off quickly.
<<Gotta love that balance.
It's unfortunate you aren't more of an exemplar of moderation.
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>>It's unfortunate you aren't more of an exemplar of moderation.
It's unfortunate you post more than anyone else yet fail to ever bring anything to the table :( other than those quick witted comments.
Anyways back to the subject.
50% damage hit seems like a bit overkill.
So after some testing.
1660 tm vs 753 shield and 1200 evasion. 7 hits.
in total 30% vitality hit, very light visible damage. Now start factoring in an at level opponent with magic resistance, damage barriers, and a shield buff and that spell becomes nothing more than a cantrip.
I'm not sure what else to say. I can't see how that even resembles balance. That was literally the only weapon that allowed a warrior mage to pvp at level, at least at my level.
If there is going to be pvp balance it has to be give and take instead of take and take and take .... and take.
So yeah, gotta love that balance.
It's unfortunate you post more than anyone else yet fail to ever bring anything to the table :( other than those quick witted comments.
Anyways back to the subject.
50% damage hit seems like a bit overkill.
So after some testing.
1660 tm vs 753 shield and 1200 evasion. 7 hits.
in total 30% vitality hit, very light visible damage. Now start factoring in an at level opponent with magic resistance, damage barriers, and a shield buff and that spell becomes nothing more than a cantrip.
I'm not sure what else to say. I can't see how that even resembles balance. That was literally the only weapon that allowed a warrior mage to pvp at level, at least at my level.
If there is going to be pvp balance it has to be give and take instead of take and take and take .... and take.
So yeah, gotta love that balance.
<<It's unfortunate you post more than anyone else yet fail to ever bring anything to the table :( other than those quick witted comments.
Just scrolling up in this thread alone belies that statement, but whatever. Thanks for the compliment on my quick wit, however. :)
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Just scrolling up in this thread alone belies that statement, but whatever. Thanks for the compliment on my quick wit, however. :)
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Just for clarification's sake did the character you were testing against have any barriers or buffs up or was that based on just their base stats?
I feel you though, I used BG as a way to quickly deal with tuskies so they don't become a major headache and BG went from doing good to great damage on its own to sometimes barely tickling them with substratum and accuracy up. I would've at least felt more comfortable with the drastic damage reduction if the spell wasn't still wildly innaccurate against anything at level. The maybe 1.5s net gain from the RT reduction after firing off a full barrage doesn't amount to much of anything really.
I feel you though, I used BG as a way to quickly deal with tuskies so they don't become a major headache and BG went from doing good to great damage on its own to sometimes barely tickling them with substratum and accuracy up. I would've at least felt more comfortable with the drastic damage reduction if the spell wasn't still wildly innaccurate against anything at level. The maybe 1.5s net gain from the RT reduction after firing off a full barrage doesn't amount to much of anything really.
I'll be an optimist here and say that I can free up some spell slots by ditching BG and YS now completely guilt free...
I do feel a BG nerf could be better handled by making it single or double shot with a 20-30 sec "reload" time for charges to rebuild. The damage per shot wasn't really broken unless combined with dumping 5 of them near instantly.
- Starlear, Warrior Mage and Lieutenant of Ilithi's Crystal Vanguard -
I do feel a BG nerf could be better handled by making it single or double shot with a 20-30 sec "reload" time for charges to rebuild. The damage per shot wasn't really broken unless combined with dumping 5 of them near instantly.
- Starlear, Warrior Mage and Lieutenant of Ilithi's Crystal Vanguard -
